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Forget Iceland. FFA, how was the Universe created? (1 Viewer)

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Can't say for sure, but an un-god Big Bang is far more likely than "created by God", because God doesn't exist. I voted other because I can't answer with certainty. It's probably the Big Bang though. :grad:

 
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Well, there is abundant evidence for one and only speculation/faith for the other. I'll go with the evidence.

 
If I were an omnipotent being who created all of existence with the words "Let there be light", it would probably look a lot like an expanding universe that originated from a singularity.

Which is why many scientists initially opposed the Big Bang theory (proposed by a Roman Catholic priest of all things) because it sounded too much like creation ex-nihilo. The prevailing scientific model at the time was the steady state theory which proposed no beginning of the universe. Of course scientific evidence continues to support the expanding universe theory to the point now where any suggestion otherwise would be ridiculous.

Whether God did it or not is not something the Big Bang theory can tell us.

 
The thing is, it doesn't matter what anyone believes. Belief in something does not qualify it as truth. Empirical evidence is the only thing that leads to objective truths. This is not to suggest science has all the answers. In fact, science would not exist if all answers were known. Big Bang Theory is not speculation. It is the best explanation of the empirical evidence that currently exists. This theory, like any other scientific theory, continues to evolve as new information is incorporated into the existing body of evidence. As that process plays out we discover more and more truths about our universe. Although the ultimate answer to the question of how the universe began may never fully be known, it is ONLY the scientific method that can bring us closer to knowing and give us the potential of knowing.

 
My answer.. I have no idea, but any explanation I hear that includes a magical being only makes it less likely in my book. :yes:

 
If there is a god that created it all I feel like he doesn't give a crap about us or doing anything for us after we die.

I think if it's the case that a god did it, we part of some kind of experiment. Maybe there are a bunch of other "universes" sitting in a lab somewhere.

I don't see how time and space can be infinite. If time is infinite then an infinite amount of time has already passed for us to be in this moment now. How does that work?

 
NREC34 said:
If there is a god that created it all I feel like he doesn't give a crap about us or doing anything for us after we die.

I think if it's the case that a god did it, we part of some kind of experiment. Maybe there are a bunch of other "universes" sitting in a lab somewhere.

I don't see how time and space can be infinite. If time is infinite then an infinite amount of time has already passed for us to be in this moment now. How does that work?
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I agree to an extent but I'm not so arrogant to think humans even have the ability to comprehend everything. I equate it to teaching your dog advanced calculus. They (we) just don't have the brain power to comprehend everything. I'm ok with that. One way or the other, we will all find out some day...or we won't.

 
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Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.

 
NetnautX said:
Atheists are so cute with their snarky superiority complexes.
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Name me a religion that doesn't evangelize/recruit. I can't imagine a bigger "superiority complex" than telling somebody else to believe the same thing as you do or else than somebody else is doomed for eternity.
 
jon_mx said:
Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.
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There is no reason to include a higher source in any explanation, doing so makes the explanation inherently less plausible.

(Any Scientific Explanation) versus (Any Scientific Explanation + Magical Higher Source)

 
SameSongNDance said:
NetnautX said:
Atheists are so cute with their snarky superiority complexes.
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Theists believing that they have a personal relationship with an imaginary being and that they will be able to live forever in heaven with said imaginary being is absolutely adorable.
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I rest my case.

 
jon_mx said:
Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.
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It's funny some people think they are right about stuff they can't prove. People also thought the Earth was the center of the universe, the world was flat, even thought we were heading into a mini ice age just 30 or 40 years ago. Thing is, there isn't any way to prove any of it. Religion tells us one thing, science might tell another. But History tells us that there will most likely be a more prominent idea with time.

 
dschuler said:
jon_mx said:
Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.
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It's funny some people think they are right about stuff they can't prove. People also thought the Earth was the center of the universe, the world was flat, even thought we were heading into a mini ice age just 30 or 40 years ago. Thing is, there isn't any way to prove any of it. Religion tells us one thing, science might tell another. But History tells us that there will most likely be a more prominent idea with time.
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Wow.

 
dschuler said:
jon_mx said:
Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.
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It's funny some people think they are right about stuff they can't prove. People also thought the Earth was the center of the universe, the world was flat, even thought we were heading into a mini ice age just 30 or 40 years ago. Thing is, there isn't any way to prove any of it. Religion tells us one thing, science might tell another. But History tells us that there will most likely be a more prominent idea with time.
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This will rustle some jimmies.

 
timschochet said:
I believe that the Big Bang created God.
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Agree. The Big Bang created the universe, which ultimately led to a planet in the Milky Way galaxy that gave rise to a species of primate that evolved a brain that created a god to explain what it couldn't explain through rational thought.

 
dschuler said:
CowboysFromHell said:
timschochet said:
I believe that the Big Bang created God.
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Agree. The Big Bang created the universe, which ultimately led to a planet in the Milky Way galaxy that gave rise to a species of primate that evolved a brain that created a god to explain what it couldn't explain through rational thought.
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Where did the matter from the Big Bang come from? Also why did the matter decide to explode?
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What's wrong with saying "I don't know."? The god of the gaps fallacy is just brain numbing.

 
SameSongNDance said:
dschuler said:
CowboysFromHell said:
timschochet said:
I believe that the Big Bang created God.
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Agree. The Big Bang created the universe, which ultimately led to a planet in the Milky Way galaxy that gave rise to a species of primate that evolved a brain that created a god to explain what it couldn't explain through rational thought.
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Where did the matter from the Big Bang come from? Also why did the matter decide to explode?
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What's wrong with saying "I don't know."? The god of the gaps fallacy is just brain numbing.
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That's the whole point genius, nobody knows. And while I think the Big Bang is true, its origins are relatively unknown. The Big Bang doesn't do anything to discredit religion BTW, a lot of people mistakenly make that leap.

 
There's also the fallacy of thought that looks at flawed religion (mankind's attempt to understand God) and dismisses the idea because of what man itself has done in the name of religion.

Religion is not faith and vice versa.

 
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dschuler said:
jon_mx said:
Other is the correct response. In twenty years from now, the scientific consensus will be much different and may or may not include a Big Bang.

Even so, a scientific answer for how things were created does not preclude it from being the work of a higher source.
Click to expand...
It's funny some people think they are right about stuff they can't prove. People also thought the Earth was the center of the universe, the world was flat, even thought we were heading into a mini ice age just 30 or 40 years ago. Thing is, there isn't any way to prove any of it. Religion tells us one thing, science might tell another. But History tells us that there will most likely be a more prominent idea with time.
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This is the beauty of scientific theory and the scientific process. Should a new conclusion or "consensus" emerge twenty years from now, it will still be very "Big Bang like" in that it must still account for all the current data and observations of our natural world that lead us to the current Big Bang idea. Science is all about pursuing the best possible understanding in light of what EVIDENCE shows. New evidence necessitates revised explanations. Every revision gives us more clarity on some things, takes us a step closer to understanding other things, and reveals new questions to explore. In this way, science provides a means for developing an understanding of our universe and the various natural laws that frame it. Religion does not offer this developmental flexibility. Religions that stipulate the existence of a creator god have presupposed the ultimate explanation (whether it be true or not). One is then left wrestling with contradictions and inconsistencies that arise trying to fit new evidence into that established framework.

 
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dschuler said:
CowboysFromHell said:
timschochet said:
I believe that the Big Bang created God.
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Agree. The Big Bang created the universe, which ultimately led to a planet in the Milky Way galaxy that gave rise to a species of primate that evolved a brain that created a god to explain what it couldn't explain through rational thought.
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Where did the matter from the Big Bang come from? Also why did the matter decide to explode?
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matuski said:
My answer.. I have no idea, but any explanation I hear that includes a magical being only makes it less likely in my book. :yes:
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