werdnoynek
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Frank Gore Holdout? (1 Viewer)
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Holding out for a new hip? or knee? or other knee? Dude is hurt too much to ask for a new deal.What 28 year old dude gets a broken hip on untouched play?
Birdnals
Footballguy
You don't think his agent has anything to with this?
Shutout
Footballguy
Yeah, those agents gotta make up that 1% reduction somewhere. The money is now in the big "second contract". Probably means an increase in holdouts upon the advice of the agents in the future.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
Gore and his agent -- Drew Rosenhaus -- also realize the 49ers are heavily counting on the running game with Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick listed 1-2 on one of the league's worst quarterback depth charts.
Defending Champs
Footballguy
He's been watching this free agent bonanza over the last day and a half thinking, damn, I might be able to get some more money! Yes, his agent is involved!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
His agent (Rosenhaus) is likely the one behind this.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
What is Gore set to make this season?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
adrenaline
Footballguy
Would anyone be surprised if they let him holdout & see what they have with a Hunter/Dixon RBBC? It's not like they are knocking down the door of a championship & Gore is going to make the difference.
Shane Falco
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
They are knocking down the division door IMO and Gore would make the difference, anything after that...who knows.
mlball77
Footballguy
Seems like with Alex Smith at QB, they need Gore in a bad way... just to keep the O from being a total joke.ETA: I totally agree with your point about Gore not being the final piece that gets this team back to championship caliber. That said, the NFC West is ripe for the taking. SF could challenge for the division at least.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They actually should call his bluff though. His time is running out and he can't really afford to miss paychecks.
adrenaline
Footballguy
I suppose that winning the most games possible no matter how many it is should always be the goal. I haven't heard any news lately on Gore's recovery, if he isn't 100% yet I could see SF not thinking he's their best option either. I'm always the guy who would rather get off the train a bit early rather than waiting for it to crash & burn.
sihaokills
Footballguy
He should holdout
Shutout
Footballguy
Yeah..kinda..Its the NFC west so they DO have a shot but if they were in any other division, their mindset would have to be different and that is what brings them around to reality IF they ever get to a point of seriously mulling this over. In reality, the Niners are NOT challenging for a title and their rebuilding starts this year. How much money do you give and how much do you build an offense around (and depend on) a RB that will likely be done by the time the team turns the corner.In an ideal world I bet the Niners would love nothing more than protect their QB (and their rookie QB) with Gore until they are ready to just replace gore. But there is a limit to how much that is worth. they do have dixon and Kendall and could go grab a Mcgahee, etc. Even ronnie brown with the guys they do have could get them through a season or two. Remember, we aren't talking about "Gore's presence being what make the Niners have SB aspirations". We are talking about "a valid running game keeps the QBs from getting shell shocked".
Defending Champs
Footballguy
Thus getting himself an extra buck, the guy is a real pain in the ### though I think he does his job well. That said, can't stand him.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Harbaugh probably loves this. All part of the master plan.
1. Re-sign inept QB Smith.
2. Let Gore rot on his couch.
3. Finish 2-14.
4. Pick first in the draft.
5. Reunite with his fav QB.
SUCK FOR LUCK BABY!
1. Re-sign inept QB Smith.
2. Let Gore rot on his couch.
3. Finish 2-14.
4. Pick first in the draft.
5. Reunite with his fav QB.
SUCK FOR LUCK BABY!
5Rings
Lurker
i'm with ya, except for the part about wasting a high 2nd round pick on Kap
werdnoynek
Footballguy
adrenaline
Footballguy
I think even in that scenario they finish better than 2-14, but with any high pick they can get a top DL, OL, CB or WR.i'm with ya, except for the part about wasting a high 2nd round pick on Kap
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adrenaline
Footballguy
& the full 16 games only once.
gianmarco
Footballguy
So? Would you rather a mediocre guy that plays 16 games or a top-tier talent that plays 14 or 15 games? The guy deserves to get paid because he has performed quite well year after year even if only missing 1-2 games/year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
How many running backs in the NFL haven't missed games that have been in the league for 6 years and received a similar workload to Frank Gore's? I bet you can count them on one hand.
This dude is a stud.
This dude is a stud.
NJ
Footballguy
DeAngelo Williams is 28 and has missed more games than Gore the last 5 years and just got a new contract.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree. He has literally carried that team on his back for years. Kendall Hunter is a fourth round pick who may or may not be able to carry Gore's jockstrap, and who may or may not be able to block. He's a rookie and I am downgrading all rookies this year because of the lack of OTAs. Without Gore, SF has NO chance in 2011. Period. He deserves more than 2.9 million that's for sure.'5Rings said:
5Rings
Lurker
adrenaline
Footballguy
Additional to the couple games a year he misses he's hobbled & less effective for many more games. Let's face it, he had the 1 great season in 2006 then every season since he's been hobbled at some point & underachieved.
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johnadams
Footballguy
Keep in mind that due to injuries that caused both missed games and limited opportunities in games, Frank Gore has only exceeded 300 carries once in his career. The guy is an absolute warrior and one of the toughest guys around, but his missed games don't tell the whole story. He has had multiple surgeries (both knees, both shoulders, fractured hip, etc.) that should concern any franchise. Also, look at his carry totals. There's a pretty clear trend and it;s not pretty.
2006: 312
2007: 260
2008: 240
2009: 229
2010: 203
If it was up to me, I'd make the niners give him a huge bonus just for making the them even remotely watchable for the last six years. He's such an easy guy to root for and he's been the heart and soul of the offense. But, the NFL is a business and contracts don't reward for what you have done in the past Rather, it's about what you will do in the present and future. He might have a decent year or two left, but unless it's an incentive laden contract, he's not getting a big payday at this point.
2006: 312
2007: 260
2008: 240
2009: 229
2010: 203
If it was up to me, I'd make the niners give him a huge bonus just for making the them even remotely watchable for the last six years. He's such an easy guy to root for and he's been the heart and soul of the offense. But, the NFL is a business and contracts don't reward for what you have done in the past Rather, it's about what you will do in the present and future. He might have a decent year or two left, but unless it's an incentive laden contract, he's not getting a big payday at this point.
kwille
Footballguy
Gore once again presents a risk to fantasy owners this year. The question is, how much risk? I'm not taking the holdout talk too seriously. I'm confindent that Gore will be in the lineup for regular season week 1. The 49ers would be foolish not to get something done and I'm sure they can find a way to do it without mortgaging thier future.
Is Gore going to get you 16 full games? Probably not. But he's going to put up strong RB1 numbers in the 13-14 games you get from him. I actually like Gore better than MJD this year. Gore's latest injury required no surgery (unlike MJD) and Dixon\Hunter currently do not pose nearly the threat of reduced workload to Gore that R. Jennings does to MJD.
Ideally, I'm hoping this holdout talk drives Gore's value down to a place where his value is in line with his risk.
Is Gore going to get you 16 full games? Probably not. But he's going to put up strong RB1 numbers in the 13-14 games you get from him. I actually like Gore better than MJD this year. Gore's latest injury required no surgery (unlike MJD) and Dixon\Hunter currently do not pose nearly the threat of reduced workload to Gore that R. Jennings does to MJD.
Ideally, I'm hoping this holdout talk drives Gore's value down to a place where his value is in line with his risk.
Boston
Footballguy
Is Carolina the franchise you want to be duplicating?There are definitely examples of RBs who have played well later in their career but the odds are against that...Gore has had a ton of injuries and some have been pretty severe...giving him big money now means you expect him to be a workhorse until he's about 32...while he could do that the smart money says he won't...
Teams that pay players based on their past production end up wasting tons of money.If sf doesn't feel he has 3 top years left there is no way they should shell out a bunch of guaranteed money to him, what he's done in the past is in the past.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
The truth, of course, after hearing rhetoric for four months about how the NFL should only give good money to players who have proven their worth based on what they have done in the past.
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
If this drops his ADP to the third, he is a no brainer in the second.
Meh, hip injuries are a sign of the body breaking don. I'll pass unless he drops to the 5th round or so. Too risky with a 1-3 round pick.
Banger
Footballguy
does the same go for Sidney Rice?
His was different type and he's a lot younger. Gores was a stress fracture which could be a sign to an overall body breakdown where certain parts of his body are overcompensating for other damaged parts.I've followed and seen many injuries in my days, and make no mistake gore is someone to stay far away from. If I was SF there is no way I'd redo his deal. Take the chance on his current contract so when/if he completely breaks down this season they can move on without a huge financial burden.I've already advised my dynasty clients to sell him for any decent value in their leagues.
Problem is gore's coming off a major injury and has a rebuilt lower half. 2 blown knees and a broken hip in his past. Only an incompetent front office would give him a big contract, which San Fran might be as they just donated 5 million to Alex smith.
