Gabby Petito, 22, missing (2 Viewers)

[Mrs. Rannous]

Or are you talking specifically about the reddit style sleuthing? I don't know anything about that stuff, I'm commenting more about the MSM.

Mostly the former.  There's a Washington Post headline asking the same question but it's behind a paywall.  

I checked it out.  I suspect the sleuthing interest here has more to do with the couple relationship factor.  The murdered couple were killed by a stranger, and there isn't much to speculate on.  It's difficult to search for a killer based on no info at all.

The article also references the death of Elisa Lam.  The documentary on that show a lot of uninformed idiots speculating on nothing and doing it very badly.  They may as well have been watching one of those idiotic ghost hunting shows.

 

[The General]

Pretty chilling. What look like her sandals and a cell phone laying on ground by the van.

This video very likely is only way she was getting found

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The only lead we have is they phoned a friend to report a creepy guy and considered moving sites.  We have nothing else.  It's been a month.  Were they sexually assaulted?  Robbed?  Just seems strange to me considering where it happened and who it happened to. 

Not reporting this to all and sundry often helps with the investigation.  If the case is truly cold, I expect a more detailed appeal will be made.  And a lot of forensic results take a few weeks to come in.  It's not all 45 minutes later, we have the DNA tests back.

 

[belljr]

So someone else was filming the area?

Pretty confused what's going on

 

[The General]

So someone else was filming the area?

Pretty confused what's going on

Some YouTubers were just running their camera as they drove the area. They went back and looked at the footage and saw the van. Sent it to the cops. 

 

[El Floppo]

So someone else was filming the area?

Pretty confused what's going on

Yes- another car on the same road. No idea why...we live in a weird time. Look at me while I find a place to park.

 

[Terminalxylem]

The van - parked near where they found the body?

Oh, it seemed to be pointing to a space between the trees. Not sure how anyone would miss seeing the van, especially with the slowed video.

 

[culdeus]

I'm looking at this van and not seeing the same stickers that were on what I thought was the impounded van.  

 

[The General]

Yes- another car on the same road. No idea why...we live in a weird time. Look at me while I find a place to park.

I’d watch these videos over people’s pictures of their lunch all day long  

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Oh, it seemed to be pointing to a space between the trees. Not sure how anyone would miss seeing the van, especially with the slowed video.

If the video was slowed down, that apparent door closing may be an artifact of the alteration rather than a real thing.

 

[The General]

I'm looking at this van and not seeing the same stickers that were on what I thought was the impounded van.  

Seemed to have the same ones from the cop video where they were pulled over. Which ones aren’t you seeing?

 

[culdeus]

Seemed to have the same ones from the cop video where they were pulled over. Which ones aren’t you seeing?

oh, yeah I see that now.  I think the images circulated of the van in the garage were taken much earlier.

 

[Nigel]

That poor girl. The video with the cops was such a raw glimpse into how troubled she was. So ####### sad. 

 

[The General]

I have only loosely kept up. Do we know the boyfriend did it?

Haven’t been super in to this either until reading about it past couple days. But seems almost no way he wasn’t involved somehow in her death.

 

[El Floppo]

If the video was slowed down, that apparent door closing may be an artifact of the alteration rather than a real thing.

Sorry...alteration?

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Sorry...alteration?

Slowing of the video.  Compressing or altering digital data isn't a zero sum game.  Things get lost (and sometimes created) in that process.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

That poor girl. The video with the cops was such a raw glimpse into how troubled she was. So ####### sad. 

Really heart breaking having a daughter her same age. Just witnessing that level of vulnerability was so sad

 

[El Floppo]

Slowing of the video.  Compressing or altering digital data isn't a zero sum game.  Things get lost (and sometimes created) in that process.

Huh. Maybe.

The vertical inorganic "shadow" is and stays in exactly the spot where the doors would meet, which I suppose could be a freakish coincidence of the playback speed...or is an shadow looking into the back of the van.

 

[gianmarco]

I guess I was asking if we know she was murdered. Is it possible she went off on her own and died while out there alone? I should have been more clear.

But yeah, if it looks like murder when they examine the body, it would seem it has to be him.

 

[facook]

I would just like to make it clear that, while I DO gamble on sports a lot, I'm not killing young women because of it.

Also, RIP Gabby.  Sucky, sucky situation all the way around.

 

[El Floppo]

Sorry...alteration?

Slowing of the video.  Compressing or altering digital data isn't a zero sum game.  Things get lost (and sometimes created) in that process.

fwiw.. just watched at full speed. the vertical shadow is clearly there and disappears. not a slowing of the video aberration.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I guess I was asking if we know she was murdered. Is it possible she went off on her own and died while out there alone? I should have been more clear.

But yeah, if it looks like murder when they examine the body, it would seem it has to be him.

We don't know with 100% certainty she was murdered, but the police's public statement said the cause of death had been determined. If she died of exposure or something non-traumatic, seems like it would take longer to make a definitive statement. 

 

[El Floppo]

I guess I was asking if we know she was murdered. Is it possible she went off on her own and died while out there alone? I should have been more clear.

But yeah, if it looks like murder when they examine the body, it would seem it has to be him.

still nothing official, so we don't know it's murder- agree. still solidly in the world of assumptions. 

also... still no word on the guy's whereabouts? 

 

[The General]

I guess I was asking if we know she was murdered. Is it possible she went off on her own and died while out there alone? I should have been more clear.

But yeah, if it looks like murder when they examine the body, it would seem it has to be him.

Yeah how she died is unknown but if she wandered off why wouldn’t he have asked for help or mentioned this to anyone? He just drove back home.

Now he’s MIA.

That we can see the couple’s social media, the cop video, and now this YouTuber video that let them find the body makes this whole story that much more crazy, surreal, etc.

 

[El Floppo]

Really heart breaking having a daughter her same age. Just witnessing that level of vulnerability was so sad

I mentioned I have a 10yo daughter who is on the cusp of gaining some independence. This stuff makes me want to just hold her tight for the next 10-20 years 

 

[Terminalxylem]

If the video was slowed down, that apparent door closing may be an artifact of the alteration rather than a real thing.

Yeah, I think the dark line is an artifact from the ladder on the rear door. 

There are other comments that say they see someone digging in the field next to the van. There seems to be someone/thing out there in the video, but it's too close to the van relative to where they found the body IMO.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

fwiw.. just watched at full speed. the vertical shadow is clearly there and disappears. not a slowing of the video aberration.

Also recording method, app used, and several other factors matter.

 

[Wingnut]

I took several rapid scrrenshots of the video as it played regular speed...this one stood out around 1:33 of the video (and zoomed way in). Definitely looks like a gap in between the doors. In the  next screenshot, it's blurred by the bug on the windshield, and by the time you can see the van somewhat clear again, the doors are solid white.

Freaky 

http://imgur.com/gallery/ro5Zjqy

Next screenshot:

http://imgur.com/gallery/oedrnEo

When they get closer, no black vertical line/gap between doors 

http://imgur.com/gallery/KJQrmpZ

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I took several scrrenshots of the video as it played regular speed...this one stood out around 1:33 of the video (and zoomed in). Definitely looks like a gap in between the doors. In the  next screenshot, it's blurred by the bug on the windshield, and by the time you can see the van somewhat clear again, the doors are solid white.

Freaky 

http://imgur.com/gallery/ro5Zjqy

what does this mean? he was closing the door? everyone on twitter was saying they can see him in the field

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Just find it bizarre that an unsolved double murder in a place where murder is virtually unheard of doesn't get the internet sleuths worked up like a missing pretty blonde. 

You’re correct of course. But the bolded, is the issue. 
 

media bias drives me bonkers. Reason number 47295021 why I don’t watch the news much. 

 

[Wingnut]

what does this mean? he was closing the door? everyone on twitter was saying they can see him in the field

No idea,  but there's no denying it's all pretty wild.

Maybe he was there and saw those people coming so he closed the door. Maybe it's just a weird video glitch.  Who knows.

 

[the moops]

This video very likely is only way she was getting found

I doubt this. Grand Teton gets over 3 million visitors per year. She would have been found eventually.

 

[The General]

I doubt this. Grand Teton gets over 3 million visitors per year. She would have been found eventually.

Perhaps. Certainly not this fast. 

Two other people are missing this year in the Tetons that haven’t been found.

 

[jimmy b]

I took several rapid scrrenshots of the video as it played regular speed...this one stood out around 1:33 of the video (and zoomed way in). Definitely looks like a gap in between the doors. In the  next screenshot, it's blurred by the bug on the windshield, and by the time you can see the van somewhat clear again, the doors are solid white.

Freaky 

http://imgur.com/gallery/ro5Zjqy

Next screenshot:

http://imgur.com/gallery/oedrnEo

When they get closer, no black vertical line/gap between doors 

http://imgur.com/gallery/KJQrmpZ

https://twitter.com/brent_shavnore/status/1439744089524772866?s=21

Enhanced.

 

[jobarules]

I guess I was asking if we know she was murdered. Is it possible she went off on her own and died while out there alone? I should have been more clear.

But yeah, if it looks like murder when they examine the body, it would seem it has to be him.

If they found the body near the van in that video and then he drove home in the van I think murder makes more sense than suicide or accidental death now.

 

[Desert_Power]

the still with one flip flop and a camera is haunting

Whoa, good eye.

 

[Wingnut]

https://twitter.com/brent_shavnore/status/1439744089524772866?s=21

Enhanced.

Whoa.

Another thing I just heard about was Brian flying back to Florida for a few days from Aug 17th-23rd to help his dad clean out a storage unit of Brian and Gabbys things. Another weird twist.

https://meaww.com/did-brian-return-to-florida-after-august-12-fight-gabby-petitos-bf-came-home-before-going-back

 

[Otis]

I don’t get it. What does it matter that the van door was closing?

 

[identikit]

I don’t get it. What does it matter that the van door was closing?

Only that someone was there at that time to close it.

Could be important.

Other than that, I dunno

 

[jimmy b]

I don’t get it. What does it matter that the van door was closing?

Her body was found 900 feet away from the van. She may have already been dead in the van. At some point he had to carry her to where she was ultimately found.

 

[culdeus]

Her body was found 900 feet away from the van. She may have already been dead in the van. At some point he had to carry her to where she was ultimately found.

Guy looked about 120 pounds and strung out. He wasnt gonna drag her 900 inches. 

 

[Otis]

Her body was found 900 feet away from the van. She may have already been dead in the van. At some point he had to carry her to where she was ultimately found.

Ok. But. The van door opens. And it closes. Explain to me why it’s relevant. 
 

OMG WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A NON OPENING VAN DOOR AND THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. 

 

[Otis]

Her body was found 900 feet away from the van. She may have already been dead in the van. At some point he had to carry her to where she was ultimately found.

Well thank god the fantasy football messageboard is on the case. Phew. 

 

[The General]

Ok. But. The van door opens. And it closes. Explain to me why it’s relevant. 
 

OMG WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A NON OPENING VAN DOOR AND THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. 

I don’t get what the door shutting really adds other than it’s crazy that these people happened to capture this moment.

It is nuts you can see what look like her sandals and a phone on the ground behind the van. 

 

[DJackson10]

Most likely you’d prolly let the police handle it. Also everyone is betting sports online where you have to put the money upfront. I doubt Draft Kings is breaking this guys knees because he lost his $25

There's other forms of sports betting not online. I had a friend who got involved in betting with the wrong people. Ended up with a divorce. Worst thing this country ever did or one of them is legalize betting and gambling. 

 

[El Floppo]

There's other forms of sports betting not online. I had a friend who got involved in betting with the wrong people. Ended up with a divorce. Worst thing this country ever did or one of them is legalize betting and gambling. 

Hey gb...this thread shouldn't have anything to do with sports betting. Lets stay focused on a missing girl and her fiance.

 

[DJackson10]

Hey gb...this thread shouldn't have anything to do with sports betting. Lets stay focused on a missing girl and her fiance.

Not trying to make it one I simple suggested the dude could've had money problems and was involved in some sort of betting. Finances are usually on the top of these incidents unfortunately. 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Not trying to make it one I simple suggested the dude could've had money problems and was involved in some sort of betting. Finances are usually on the top of these incidents unfortunately. 

I know it's not your strength, but let it go. 

 

[glvsav37]

Ok. But. The van door opens. And it closes. Explain to me why it’s relevant. 
 

OMG WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A NON OPENING VAN DOOR AND THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. 

I guess its important b/c it show that there was activity inside and around the van at the time this video was taken. Otherwise, you might make a case that the van was abandoned or try to establish that the BF wasnt there. 

I guess that also, whoever shut the door may have been ion the process of doing something--like taking out the body (speculation)--but stopped and shut it when he heard the other bus coming. While its amazing that they got this footage, imagine if they were a second or 2 later and recorded him in the act of something?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Is there any reason to assume she wasn't still there?  I assumed the sandals were there because she took them off to get in the van and closed the door herself.  But maybe that's not right with the timeline?