Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (7 Viewers)

[skol asylum]

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[GregR]

Just rewatching it post Battle of Winterfell....where they linger on the battlefield for awhile. I imagine the shots established to show just the total carnage.....but have they ever shown the range of the Head White Walker in regards to his undead raising power? Wasn't there a scene where a hand was moving all the way in Kings Landing.....and didn't a couple of guys get raised at The Wall?

Maybe Stannis will win that battle afterwards.

Not recalling this. Are you thinking of something from the disgraced-maester/scientist guy and his work?

 

[Thunderlips]

Just rewatching it post Battle of Winterfell....where they linger on the battlefield for awhile. I imagine the shots established to show just the total carnage.....but have they ever shown the range of the Head White Walker in regards to his undead raising power? Wasn't there a scene where a hand was moving all the way in Kings Landing.....and didn't a couple of guys get raised at The Wall?

Maybe Stannis will win that battle afterwards.

Not recalling this. Are you thinking of something from the disgraced-maester/scientist guy and his work?

I thought it was when Thorne was sent to King Landing when Tyrion was the Hand of the King.

 

[flapgreen]

So Roos took the north by force and everybody in the north just automatically follows him?

There's some bookishness in that question.

Spill it

He's promoted to Warden of the North by the king....but in order to keep the Northern Lords in line he has a lot of the heads and family members of the Northern families as hostage; taken at the Red Wedding. Kind of how Ned had with Theon. So most of the families begrudgingly support him.

That helps a lot. Thanks.

 

[The Captain]

Anybody else get a kick out of Dany #####ing at the dragon on top of the mountain. The least you can do is find us some dinner. No the least he could have done was leave you there to get killed and not take 4 spears for you. Be like a guy rescuing his wife from a burning building and her complaining that he didnt grab the dinner from the stove on the way out.

Too ####### funny!!

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Who's left that we're supposed to pull for? Dany? Tyerion? I pretty much hate everyone left.

Someone will appear halfway thru season 7 who was talked about in season 1 who will win the GoTs

It all comes down to Hodor vs. Hot Pie in the end.

Sword fighting?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Anybody else get a kick out of Dany #####ing at the dragon on top of the mountain. The least you can do is find us some dinner. No the least he could have done was leave you there to get killed and not take 4 spears for you. Be like a guy rescuing his wife from a burning building and her complaining that he didnt grab the dinner from the stove on the way out.

Too ####### funny!!

Drogon is my favorite character.

 

[Tusken Raider]

Who is Sir Pounce again?

Let's go multiple choice on this one:

A) Loras Tyrell's nickname by his partyboys

B) Podrick Payne's nickname after visiting the brothels for the first time

C) Bronn's nickname by the sand snake after the jail cell crooning scene

D) Tommen's pet kitty

E) George RR Martin's nickname at the buffet in Caesar's Palace

 

[Brady Marino]

Who is Sir Pounce again?

Let's go multiple choice on this one:

A) Loras Tyrell's nickname by his partyboys

B) Podrick Payne's nickname after visiting the brothels for the first time

C) Bronn's nickname by the sand snake after the jail cell crooning scene

D) Tommen's pet kitty

E) George RR Martin's nickname at the buffet in Caesar's Palace

E. Most definitely E.

 

[GregR]

Just rewatching it post Battle of Winterfell....where they linger on the battlefield for awhile. I imagine the shots established to show just the total carnage.....but have they ever shown the range of the Head White Walker in regards to his undead raising power? Wasn't there a scene where a hand was moving all the way in Kings Landing.....and didn't a couple of guys get raised at The Wall?

Maybe Stannis will win that battle afterwards.

Not recalling this. Are you thinking of something from the disgraced-maester/scientist guy and his work?

I thought it was when Thorne was sent to King Landing when Tyrion was the Hand of the King.

Oh! I thought you meant like someone died, and then their hand started moving indicating they were resurrecting.

Yoren took the severed hand of (I think) the one Jon Snow stopped from killing Commander Morment.

I'd imagine bodies can't be turned into wights that far away. But once a wight, there's no indication I've seen of a limit how far they can travel. The hand was from a body raised at Castle Black.

 

[Tusken Raider]

So this is what we are going to do for 10 months?

GoT/Pop Culture Tie-ins.

I'll go first:

If Rachel Dolezal were in GoT, would she:

A) attempt to become a member of the Night's Watch, and take the black,

or,

B) lobby to be let into the House of Black & White, and become a Faceless Man.

Discuss.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Wtf are gray men? Gtfo book readers

Freakin pay attention, show watchers

 

[cstu]

GoT torrents probably make up an sizable fraction of all global internet traffic on Sunday nights.

The finale was downloaded over 20k times on Torrentleech...in the past week the next closest was Silicon Valley with about 5k downloads.

 

[Deepster]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Yup. Next question.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

The night is dark and full of snow drifts

 

[Mile High]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Why fresh power? They probably have been shoveling the walls for weeks.

 

[Deepster]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Why fresh power? They probably have been shoveling the walls for weeks.

They jumped 60 ft onto a hardpacked icy snowdrift?

 

[El Floppo]

Andre the Giant.

Next.

 

[larch]

Ghost should have laid down beside Jon as he was dying.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Three dragons born in a bizarre all--night fire ceremony and parented by a tiny blond woman who emerges from said fire unharmed? Sure. A woman birthing a murderous black smoke demon? Why not? A 700 foot high and 300 mile long wall of ice beyond which resides a race of undead monsters whose leader can raise the human dead and enlist them in his army with a simple shrug? Well of course. But don't you try to sell me some bull#### unrealistic snow accumulation figures, Game of Thrones! That's too far!

 

[belljr]

 

[Deepster]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Three dragons born in a bizarre all--night fire ceremony and parented by a tiny blond woman who emerges from said fire unharmed? Sure. A woman birthing a murderous black smoke demon? Why not? A 700 foot high and 300 mile long wall of ice beyond which resides a race of undead monsters whose leader can raise the human dead and enlist them in his army with a simple shrug? Well of course. But don't you try to sell me some bull#### unrealistic snow accumulation figures, Game of Thrones! That's too far!

Apples and oranges.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Three dragons born in a bizarre all--night fire ceremony and parented by a tiny blond woman who emerges from said fire unharmed? Sure. A woman birthing a murderous black smoke demon? Why not? A 700 foot high and 300 mile long wall of ice beyond which resides a race of undead monsters whose leader can raise the human dead and enlist them in his army with a simple shrug? Well of course. But don't you try to sell me some bull#### unrealistic snow accumulation figures, Game of Thrones! That's too far!

Apples and oranges.

I know, just messing with you. Couldn't resist

 

[El Floppo]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Three dragons born in a bizarre all--night fire ceremony and parented by a tiny blond woman who emerges from said fire unharmed? Sure. A woman birthing a murderous black smoke demon? Why not? A 700 foot high and 300 mile long wall of ice beyond which resides a race of undead monsters whose leader can raise the human dead and enlist them in his army with a simple shrug? Well of course. But don't you try to sell me some bull#### unrealistic snow accumulation figures, Game of Thrones! That's too far!

Apples and oranges.

It could happen. You don't know #### about science because you dropped out of high school.

 

[TenTimes]

So this is what we are going to do for 10 months?

GoT/Pop Culture Tie-ins.

I'll go first:

If Rachel Dolezal were in GoT, would she:

A) attempt to become a member of the Night's Watch, and take the black,

or,

B) lobby to be let into the House of Black & White, and become a Faceless Man.

Discuss.

B. Definitely Braavosi.

 

[TenTimes]

I bet Brienne snuck off to New Yorkos to capture those escaped convicts. Question is where is she taking them, and who tries to stop her along the way?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

 

[Gr00vus]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

And Ramsay never once mentioning him, let alone looking for him after the battle. Not even a "Hey, anyone seen Stannis?"

 

[Thunderlips]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

Three dragons born in a bizarre all--night fire ceremony and parented by a tiny blond woman who emerges from said fire unharmed? Sure. A woman birthing a murderous black smoke demon? Why not? A 700 foot high and 300 mile long wall of ice beyond which resides a race of undead monsters whose leader can raise the human dead and enlist them in his army with a simple shrug? Well of course. But don't you try to sell me some bull#### unrealistic snow accumulation figures, Game of Thrones! That's too far!

Batman in the operating room...... http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2008/01/14/batman-in-the-operating-room-why-some-comedy-isnt-funny/

 

[KarmaPolice]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

At his originally intended destination.

 

[Thunderlips]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

I would have liked more of a Arrested Development Gene Parmesan entrance.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1O5m-R-sdQ

 

[mr roboto]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

How dare the writers have him arrive at his stated destination!

 

[KarmaPolice]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

At his originally intended destination.

Yeah, I get that. Mereen, sure, but stll found it dumb that he is able to show up at the pyramid out of the blue.

I guess nobody else did, so carry on.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.

How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Really liked the episode, but I still think the worst thing was Varys just showing up out of nowhere.

At his originally intended destination.

Granted - but I had the same feeling. Not so much that he showed up - I'm happy he did. Love the character. But it was just too forced in a "we have to wrap this little part up now too" kind of way. Would have at least liked a scene or two of him getting to Mereen to at least connect the dots a little better and to get the character some screen time.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

Question. Thoros of myr didnt have. To sacrifice anyone did he??

 

[shadyridr]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

we liked stannis before he burnt his daughter?

 

[Thunderlips]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.

How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

I posted in the other thread as to whether or not she was vague enough in all her prophecies to him throughout all the seasons that there could be "another" and that she was just using him as an instrument to facilitate getting that "other" into place......but watching her when she sees the thaw and then hears the news that half the men have left......., I don't think there's any question in her mind that she realized she made a mistake with Stannis......but I think she believed in him.

 

[Thunderlips]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

we liked stannis before he burnt his daughter?

I did.

ETA: It's not like I'd want to have beers with him...but he was just a stern man in the ruling vein. He's not much different than Ned or Tywin (both of whom I also liked).

 

[shadyridr]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

umm yeah i posted pretty much the same theory yesterday

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

Question. Thoros of myr didnt have. To sacrifice anyone did he??

I don't think so.

Or Jon is really dead.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

I can agree with that. Unless there is a specific reason for needing him to go to the dark side so far and it's more than just making sure the Red Witch gets back to the wall to possibly save Jon.How about this for a crazy we really have 10 months to do this crackpot theory:

Red Witch was knowingly lying to Stannis about him taking Winterfell. Not sure she was always lying but at some point she knew he wasn't going to win. She tells him that sacrificing his daughter is the only way he can win when in reality she needed the daughter sacrificed for Jon. She saw that Jon was going to be killed and knew that he was special and when he wouldn't do things with her she came up with an alternate plan. From there she needed Stannis to keep going into a losing battle so that he would get killed and not seek revenge against her in any way for being wrong. So once it's clear that everything is happening the way she was told by her god she leaves the camp knowing Stannis is going to march forward. Stannis dies, she gets the wall. the sacrifice has been made so that she has the power now to resurrect Jon. So all of it wasn't for Stannis and then it just ends and we are left thinking there was no reason to any of it - the reason just wasn't for Stannis.

I mean at this point - it's entirely possible. Or Jon is really dead. (which is going to be my new signature line in every post on this show)

umm yeah i posted pretty much the same theory yesterday

Well ok then.

Or jon is really dead.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Red women sees what she sees. Has no idea how to act on them on how to interpret them. Id just be making shadow babies everywhere and leeching people

 

[sartre]

In a show with dragons and many faced gods and etc the most unbelievable thing going is a few score of religious fanatics took over "the new kings landing" and started locking up some elite players with impunity.

To me, this still elicits more incredulity than anything else in the show to date.

 

[Foosball God]

Rewatched the finale last night.

Re: Sansa and Reek. I fail to see how there was that much fluffy snow piled up where it could cushion their fall. Right outside the walls, there was a huge thaw and at Stannis' camp, there was barely any snow at all and mud puddles formed. During the battle scene, there wasn't anything significant accumulated in terms of snow and his troops marched easily across that field. So, we're to think that maybe there was 15 ft of fresh powder that softened a leap from a 60 foot wall?

They shoveled the battlefield. That snow doesn't just disappear you know.

 

[bostonfred]

Characters like varys and Littlefinger aren't interesting when they're going places or doing things. They're interesting when they get other people to go places and do things. Id usually rather have his network of spies be the reason something interesting happens, for example, than watch him interact with one of his little birds and then see the thing happen. I think we've only seen him talk to a spy once, when Arya overheard him talking to someone about dany back in season one. And that was more interesting because of the perspective, and because you were just finding out who and what varys was. If they do that again if expect there to be a similar reason to spend the screen time on it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The more difficult event to accept for me was Stannis leading his army into battle, completely surrounded, then finding himself seemingly completely alone such that Brienne could stroll over for a chat.

I think the show made a misstep (shocking, right? ) By not having this confrontation sooner.

I think a couple episodes, we were still on Stannis' side. Then they took him too far to the bad side, and by the time Sunday rolled around we were waiting for him to get his. Since they were both circling Winterfell we knew that this was probably coming, but if they could have figured out a way to have a Brienne vs. Stannis showdown a couple episodes ago it would have been better TV because it would be between two characters that we liked and it would have been more in that moral gray era that hooked me on this story in the first place.

we liked stannis before he burnt his daughter?

Liked? I don't know, but they were starting to show him in a slightly different light. He was just bullheaded and honor driven to a fault - basically a grumpy Ned, but I don't think people truly hated him until a couple Sundays ago.