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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

TheMagus said:
Not really. He'd have to be legitimized and there's no one left to do such a thing. 
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Why would he have to be legitimized?

He doesn't have to follow the order of succession.  Typically that's not what makes bastards dangerous to people in power.  It's just that their half-lineage can give them enough of a rallying cry to gain support from an army.  This is doubly true if there is no clear king and no clear successor as would be the case if Tommen died.  Being the only remaining male Targaryan or Baratheon that people are aware of would draw in a lot of otherwise neutral support and likely the vast majority of it.

 
TheMagus said:
If he was Robert's son there is no reason for Ned to bring dishonor to his family and I would imagine Robert would want to keep him. There's no mystery and need for secrets.  This discussion doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Can't imagine what harm would possibly befall an illegitimate Baratheon kid. 

 
Lyanna's kidnapping and apparent rape was what led to the war of Robert's Rebellion in the first place.  Robert was betrothed to Lyanna, so having a son with her, while not ideal, wouldn't have given Ned any reason to hide Jon.

On the other hand, look how Robert responded to finding out about Dany and Viserys.  He would've killed Jon if it was found out that Jon was a Targaryen.  Doubly so if he was found to be Rhaegar's son.

 
encaitar said:
Lyanna's kidnapping and apparent rape was what led to the war of Robert's Rebellion in the first place.  
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This is only partially true. It all happened very quickly but it boils down to this: Ned's older brother was on his way to marry Cat, heard about Lyanna being "taken" by Rhaegar, went to King's Landing instead to demand justice. The Mad King imprisoned him. Ned's father then came to clean up the mess, and the Mad King killed them both, then demanded that Jon Arryn hand over Ned as well. Arryn said #### that and gathered his bannermen. It was after that, that the rebellion kind of coalesced around Robert and Ned and it became more about Lyanna...but it started because the Mad King demanded Ned's head after murdering his brother and father.

I guess you could say that Ned's brother only went to King's Landing in the first place because of hearing about Lyanna, obviously...but I get the idea that a lot of people think that Robert started the rebellion because of Lyanna, and forget all about the much bigger role that the dead Starks and Jon Arryn had in it all. It was only called Robert's Rebellion afterwards, if he wanted to Ned could have easily taken the throne, as Jaimie comments. Then it would have been Eddard's Rebellion. 

 
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Don't Noonan said:
How did the guy in the brown outfit with no **** get to the slave place?  Did he know the dwarf got kidnapped and followed him there?
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You missed the episode where he flew is G6 over there, tracking the elf via the homing device they implanted in him while he was on a mescaline bender.

 
Thunderlips said:
No. Lysanna was promised to Robert.  Rheagar kidnapped her. Neds father and elder brother went to see the Mad King to get her back....he burned them and that's what set off the war.  It wasn't until all the dust settled and Lysanna was dead that Cersei and Robert were married. Cersei admits as much to Robert in Season One  that he doesn't love her, but loves a ghost. 
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Exactly. Once RS is dead, her ******* kid with RB is a political nightmare that could ruin the future of the brand new government. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This is only partially true. It all happened very quickly but it boils down to this: Ned's older brother was on his way to marry Cat, heard about Lyanna being "taken" by Rhaegar, went to King's Landing instead to demand justice. The Mad King imprisoned him. Ned's father then came to clean up the mess, and the Mad King killed them both, then demanded that Jon Arryn hand over Ned as well. Arryn said #### that and gathered his bannermen. It was after that, that the rebellion kind of coalesced around Robert and Ned and it became more about Lyanna...but it started because the Mad King demanded Ned's head after murdering his brother and father.

I guess you could say that Ned's brother only went to King's Landing in the first place because of hearing about Lyanna, obviously...but I get the idea that a lot of people think that Robert started the rebellion because of Lyanna, and forget all about the much bigger role that the dead Starks and Jon Arryn had in it all. It was only called Robert's Rebellion afterwards, if he wanted to Ned could have easily taken the throne, as Jaimie comments. Then it would have been Eddard's Rebellion. 
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There is some backstory on this that makes this statement problematic while it made sense for Robert to take the throne. I don't think it has ever been discussed in the series and since this is the no backstory thread I will say that the one thing that has been talked about it the TV episodes is the power of Kings blood. Though, Jamie did have that discussion way back in season 1 about how Ned could have taken the throne if he wanted to have.... the question is- if Ned was inclined to have done so, would he have been able to keep it?

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Show needs more of Margery nekkid. 
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I'm a big fan of hers. I think she's very underrated. She's got a lot of looks that work really well at events and then also looks really cute in interviews



ETA: Damn it, hate that we can't post images. Just google Natalie Dormer, not going to work any harder.

 
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Good Posting Judge said:
What on Earth.
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Was very poorly phrased, really what I mean twas is there any hope he has the goods to raise an army of people that would have the motivation to unseat Bolton?  It's also not clear what sort of numbers he has with the wildlings that he could reasonably hope to accomplish anything more than what Stannis was able to.  

I would assume John tries to take back Winterfell with something that resembles a wildling+??? army maybe getting support from the iron island girl? otherwise why is she still in the show?

Then Bran and Red Woman meet and they all take on a combination of (white walkers, lannisters, sparrow, dragons) at various points.

 
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culdeus said:
Was very poorly phrased, really what I mean twas is there any hope he has the goods to raise an army of people that would have the motivation to unseat Bolton?  It's also not clear what sort of numbers he has with the wildlings that he could reasonably hope to accomplish anything more than what Stannis was able to.  

I would assume Rob tries to take back Winterfell with something that resembles a wildling+??? army maybe getting support from the iron island girl? otherwise why is she still in the show?

Then Bran and Red Woman meet and they all take on a combination of (white walkers, lannisters, sparrow, dragons) at various points.
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Rob is dead.

 
culdeus said:
Was very poorly phrased, really what I mean twas is there any hope he has the goods to raise an army of people that would have the motivation to unseat Bolton?  It's also not clear what sort of numbers he has with the wildlings that he could reasonably hope to accomplish anything more than what Stannis was able to.  

I would assume John tries to take back Winterfell with something that resembles a wildling+??? army maybe getting support from the iron island girl? otherwise why is she still in the show?

Then Bran and Red Woman meet and they all take on a combination of (white walkers, lannisters, sparrow, dragons) at various points.
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maybe Theon making his way back to the Iron Islands will lead to them joining Jon and the Wildings to take Winterfell. Afterall, the dude who is running Winterfell now did do hoirrible things to Theon. He certainly has a bone to pick with him (or HAD a bone before, um, you know)

 
Don't Noonan said:
Honest question.  No worries.  If none of you know either not that big of a deal.
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It's a pretty big story arc over several episodes to completely have missed.

Tyrion and Varys were traveling together to Mereen to see Dany. Tyrion was abducted by Jorah Mormont and taken to her. Varys continued to the same place that he originally was going in the first place.

 
joey said:
maybe Theon making his way back to the Iron Islands will lead to them joining Jon and the Wildings to take Winterfell. Afterall, the dude who is running Winterfell now did do hoirrible things to Theon. He certainly has a bone to pick with him (or HAD a bone before, um, you know)
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Don't have to think too hard about this.  Dany/Tyrion needs ships, the Iron Islanders have ships, so their ships will be heading to Mereen in one form or the other. 

I guess that still leaves room for Theon and sis to go help Jon if she doesn't win this Kingsmoot thingy (which I would guess she will not). 

 
Chadstroma said:
It's a pretty big story arc over several episodes to completely have missed.

Tyrion and Varys were traveling together to Mereen to see Dany. Tyrion was abducted by Jorah Mormont and taken to her. Varys continued to the same place that he originally was going in the first place.
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Thank you.  Not schtick.  I didn't realize they were headed to Mereen originally to see Dany.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Whatever happened to Robb Stark and his mom?  Anyone? 
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Both MAYBE dead. 

Could Bran just warg into a wolf's head?  Maybe he could take control of Robb that way! Red witch could work her mojo on all the Starks maybe??  Be kickass to have zombie wolf head Robb running around. 

 
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What of this theory being circulated on podcasts: the many faced god people are going to be pissed that Jon came back from dead because they have somewhat of a death fetish thing.  They send Arya to Meli and have her name a replacement.  

She picks.....????

Clearly Arya is on the move to kill someone, but whom?

 
culdeus said:
What of this theory being circulated on podcasts: the many faced god people are going to be pissed that Jon came back from dead because they have somewhat of a death fetish thing.  They send Arya to Meli and have her name a replacement.  

She picks.....????

Clearly Arya is on the move to kill someone, but whom?
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Oof.  I hope she is going to do something better than that.  Are they equally pissed for Berric too?

 
culdeus said:
What of this theory being circulated on podcasts: the many faced god people are going to be pissed that Jon came back from dead because they have somewhat of a death fetish thing.  They send Arya to Meli and have her name a replacement.  

She picks.....????

Clearly Arya is on the move to kill someone, but whom?
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Tommen

 
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