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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

The best scene last night was the musical montage featuring the holograms of Tupac and Ser Alec Guinness dressed as weir wood trees doing the entire history of trees in Westeros and explaining the timelines of how ships travel faster in Westerosi oceans than in out oceans. Tony award, for sure.

 
thecatch said:
Totally agree - but she was obviously pretty blindsided by her army's defection.
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Previews show Dany getting pissed, right?  Probably going to attack somehow?  

If the show continues it's theme that just about no single military plan ever really works for anyone, ever, for the most part - the best thing Dany could do is not attack King's Landing - but take the dragons and the Dothraki directly across to hit the Lannister army as it's coming back from Highgarden to King's Landing.  If she kills that army, without having to do it in King's Landing, the only thing Cersei has left is her navy.

The army isn't going to march back to Casterly Rock - Jamie already admitted that.  IF the unsullied can be ordered to abandon Casterly Rock now instead of waiting, they might even be able to meet up and flank the Lannisters as Dany hits them from the east.  I like this a lot as I think through it.

The largest army remaining would be the combined northern lords, the dothraki and whatever is alive from the other southern kingdoms and it won't be much..... and 3 dragons.  And there is a navy - that will be useless when the water freezes.  All set up for man to face the dead without near enough power besides the 3 dragons.... unless they work together.

I think the most important statement so far this season is Littlefinger's advise to Sansa last episode.... plan and prepare for anything and everything.  Everyone is a friend and everyone is an enemy.  Be so many steps ahead of everyone else that nothing they do is surprising.  You know how you do that in this show?  Figure out a way to get all the major characters in one scene together with a common enemy somehow.  It's been sitting there since the beginning with the Knight King....... I have more ideas.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
The best scene last night was the musical montage featuring the holograms of Tupac and Ser Alec Guinness dressed as weir wood trees doing the entire history of trees in Westeros and explaining the timelines of how ships travel faster in Westerosi oceans than in out oceans. Tony award, for sure.
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It did help but was Tupac the white guy or the black guy?

 
CletiusMaximus said:
That scene had a James Bond feel, where the villain doesn't simply kill Bond, but leaves him in some contraption that will certainly seal his fate in gruesome fashion. But of course Bond always escapes. It seems highly likely its not the last we'll see of her.
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Spoiler from Actress in interview:

Ellaria Sand is not dead. She might continue to survive for months or even years … unfortunately for her. Yet we won’t see Ellaria on Game of Thrones again, confirms actress Indira Varma, who played doomed Prince Oberyn’s hot-headed lover.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/30/game-of-thrones-ellaria-cersei/
 
hagmania said:
Any of those upset we don't see the ins and outs of travel along the continent. Before D&D took it past the books, readers could fill in the gaps. I'm saying the adaptation was so good before that it makes the viewers "needing their hands held" miss those little snippets and details, because they are still capturing the essence of GRRM's story.
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Are only book readers complaining about this? I'm a book reader and never once complained about it. 

 
Ellaria Sand was terrible.  Glad to see her go.

I know there has been a lot debate about the hottest female characters.  I'm calling Cersei #1.  Go ahead and debate me.

 
thecatch said:
I also thought she would have a better feel for her own bannermen's loyalties as such a high level player. Seems like she had no idea she'd get very little internal support for taking Dany's side. 
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I'm willing to forgive that. Tarly's hatred for non-Westerosi could easily be underestimated and I think you could make an argument that it increased recently because of Samwell and his Wildling Fever. 

Tarly is kind of the main man- and I can easily see how him jumping ship would take other bannermen with him. 

Plus, emotions can blind people and you would have to see her son and grandson and prized granddaughter being killed would get her pretty emotional and this maybe not on top of her game in playing the chess of it all....

But.. "Oh, the Lannister army is here. I will just sit here and wait and see how I die" just does not seem to me like a Olenna move for me. 

 
TheFanatic said:
Are only book readers complaining about this? I'm a book reader and never once complained about it. 
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Pretty sure it's not just book readers that have commented on the "hurry up and finish" pace of this season and shortcuts that are taken to get characters where they need to be. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
She was only in one scene, but I'll not soon forget the Red Priestess who confronted Varys in Mereen last season.
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We will be seeing her again I think. If the red witch that was helping Stannis is really leaving to go to Volantis that is where that lead Red Priestess chick was from, correct?

 
Chadstroma said:
But.. "Oh, the Lannister army is here. I will just sit here and wait and see how I die" just does not seem to me like a Olenna move for me. 
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To each his own..... but I actually think the scene was in her wheelhouse.  She always saw more than the men in her life, right?  As soon as she saw the Lannister army marching on them, with her bannermen, she knew she was going to lose (How did we do?  About as well as can be expected.  It was never our forte').  

But man did she own just about every scene she was ever in.  Jamie has to be reeling at the moment.  

 
Yankee23Fan said:
To each his own..... but I actually think the scene was in her wheelhouse.  She always saw more than the men in her life, right?  As soon as she saw the Lannister army marching on them, with her bannermen, she knew she was going to lose (How did we do?  About as well as can be expected.  It was never our forte').  

But man did she own just about every scene she was ever in.  Jamie has to be reeling at the moment.  
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I don't think she would allow herself to be at the mercy of Cercei. I think she would have taken poison herself before falling into Lannister hands. :shrug:

 
The Indestructible said:
Are we supposed to make anything of Jamie's continued insistence that nobody see him and Cersei together?
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I don't. All his life he was told it was wrong by his family and society. Cersei has decided it's not wrong anymore and is the queen so she is going to make sure everyone is OK with it. Particularly now that there is no child that only gets to sit on the throne because of who his father is. It would seem she chose to do this without consulting with Jamie

 
TheFanatic said:
I don't. All his life he was told it was wrong by his family and society. Cersei has decided it's not wrong anymore and is the queen so she is going to make sure everyone is OK with it. Particularly now that there is no child that only gets to sit on the throne because of who his father is. It would seem she chose to do this without consulting with Jamie
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This was my thought too, which is why that bit of dialogue seemed unnecessary.  I had all but disregarded the possibility that someone would discover them and cause a ruckus (impeach Cersei?), but that scene caused me to reconsider.  

 
The Indestructible said:
This was my thought too, which is why that bit of dialogue seemed unnecessary.  I had all but disregarded the possibility that someone would discover them and cause a ruckus (impeach Cersei?), but that scene caused me to reconsider.  
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The Targs used to marry siblings. Maybe she is fully occupying the former Targaryan role.

 
I can't wait for Sam to go "sprinting" out of the Citadel with two of those scrolls in his hands, screaming, "I've found it!  I've found it.  Jon, I've found it!"

"What Sam?  The secret to defeating the WW?  My lineage that I can't even guess about because I don't know it yet?  Something else Stannis already told us that we ignored and need to remind the viewers of?"

"No, the secret ingredient for Hot Pie's bread.  I worked up quite an appetite skinning Jorah alive and cleaning bedpans.  Now I can cook for us while I read and you do useful things."

 
Bob Sacamano said:
I can't wait for Sam to go "sprinting" out of the Citadel with two of those scrolls in his hands, screaming, "I've found it!  I've found it.  Jon, I've found it!"

"What Sam?  The secret to defeating the WW?  My lineage that I can't even guess about because I don't know it yet?  Something else Stannis already told us that we ignored and need to remind the viewers of?"

"No, the secret ingredient for Hot Pie's bread.  I worked up quite an appetite skinning Jorah alive and cleaning bedpans.  Now I can cook for us while I read and you do useful things."
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:lmao:

 
'Cause if you can't see it coming that he stumbles across something while copying those scrolls, I don't know what to tell you.

Also, in case you've already forgotten, it's browning the butter.
 
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