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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

culdeus said:
Reddit comment I liked:

Paraphrasing.  - Jamie realized after giving the poison that the entire ####storm they are in right now was brought on by his Dad falsely accusing his son of murdering his son, likely with his knowledge.   

This opens up the possibility of a backstab of Dany by the imp among other things if he finds a way to share that info.
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Regardless Tyrion still killed good old dad. Not going to be a reconciliation until Cersei is dead.

 
cashman88 said:
Is there any explanation for why Cersei cares to repay the Iron Bank.  With the whole Seven Kingdoms at war, what leverage does the Iron Bank have anyway?  Does it have it's own army?
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They got money.  

 
Hot Diggity Dog said:
On the subject of marching armies the Lannisters sure have a strange marching cadence. 
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I was thinking how bad it must have sucked to march from Casterly Rock to Highgarden using that stutter step technique. 

On the plus side, the Lannisters and Jaimie in particular have the coolest armor in Westeros. The Stark dudes look like they got their helmets from a Monty Python set. 

 
Sebowski said:
Do your really need subtitles like "6 weeks later..."? 
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If you had watched the show from the beginning ( :) ) , you would know that it's just a bit of a shock. The show used to move so slow. It took entire seasons for characters to go from once place to the next. Now, characters are flying all over the map in the span of 20 minutes. It's fine, it's just out of character for how the show used to be. It's building to a crescendo, which is cool. It does feel a bit like, "oh crap we are running out of time so lets start cramming." 

 
beer 30 said:
So the armies of Dorne & Highgarden WERE on Yara's bhotes, interesting. That battle scene last week falls even flatter knowing that then.

Good stuff all the way around, Not a lot to the backstory of Euron IMO, see spoiler if interested. Dany needs to bust out the dragons ASAP. She was an air advantage over every army she would go up against except Esgaroth, better start using them before she is out of armies.

He spent his life sailing the word, seeing stuff, doing stuff and fighting stuff. I believe they even mention it as a throw away line when he first pops on the scene. He's a pirate doing pirate stuff
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That's really not a spoiler. The show runners should have hinted at Euron and his pirate fleet in a few earlier episodes...kind of like how Stannis was hinted at before ever appearing on the show. They could have just dropped a couple lines about him sacking some city or be careful on the seas, Euron is out there, whatever. At least then when we did finally meet him, we would have been excited and he would have had some kind of reputation. There were plenty of times characters traveled by boat and he could have been referenced. 

 
the moops said:
And everyone complained that it took too long for characters to get from one place to another.

People suck. 
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I think that's just part of any show. Some people want a faster pace and some want a slower pace. It's not necessarily the same people but we "hear" those voices and it makes it sound like the fans of the show are schizophrenic. My only complaints with the slower pace of the show was with Theon's torture stuff. That just went on forever and never added anything new. We got it that Ramsey was evil and Theon was broken after a few torture scenes, it didn't need to be a weekly feature. I still don't know what the hell the point of Theon is. I assume at this point he has to play some kind of key role. 

 
Hot Diggity Dog said:
Regardless Tyrion still killed good old dad. Not going to be a reconciliation until Cersei is dead.
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Jamie knew all along Tyrion was innocent. That's why he helped him escape. I think the biggest takeway is he now knows who killed Joffrey. And if Cersei still wants Tyrion's blood over that it could put Jamie right in the middle. 

 
the moops said:
And everyone complained that it took too long for characters to get from one place to another.

People suck. 
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You have a 7-episode season where things need to happen. I'm happy we didn't spend 3 episodes with Dany on the ship going to Dragonstone or 2 episodes with Jon heading there. Let's get right to it and have some fun. 

 
beer 30 said:
So the armies of Dorne & Highgarden WERE on Yara's bhotes, interesting

He spent his life sailing the word, seeing stuff, doing stuff and fighting stuff. I believe they even mention it as a throw away line when he first pops on the scene. He's a pirate doing pirate stuff
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Why are we thinking the armies were on her boats?

 
packersfan said:
You have a 7-episode season where things need to happen. I'm happy we didn't spend 3 episodes with Dany on the ship going to Dragonstone or 2 episodes with Jon heading there. Let's get right to it and have some fun. 
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Sure, I completely agree,  but at the same time, its pretty unsatisfying to have a major house like Tyrell completely overrun and sacked via 5 second voiceover.  Don't they have a castle? Last season, we learned the the Frey/Lannister army couldn't take Riverrun defended by a small group of Tully soldiers. Siege machines were brought in and we were told the Blackfish could hold out for a year or more. With Casterly Rock, they showed us how the walls were breached. The explanation for Highgarden, with all its stores of grain, is that the Tyrells just aren't very good fighters?  The Lannisters just march down there and take it? That's lame.  If the Lannisters take Highgarden in the books, its certain Martin will have a better story to tell as to how it happens.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Sure, I completely agree,  but at the same time, its pretty unsatisfying to have a major house like Tyrell completely overrun and sacked via 5 second voiceover.  Don't they have a castle? Last season, we learned the the Frey/Lannister army couldn't take Riverrun defended by a small group of Tully soldiers. Siege machines were brought in and we were told the Blackfish could hold out for a year or more. With Casterly Rock, they showed us how the walls were breached. The explanation for Highgarden, with all its stores of grain, is that the Tyrells just aren't very good fighters?  The Lannisters just march down there and take it? That's lame.  If the Lannisters take Highgarden in the books, its certain Martin will have a better story to tell as to how it happens.
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That's cool if you like the books. :)

I liked how they revealed the Lannister plan. Having Tyrion so confidently narrate what we expected to be a victorious move only to have the ultimate reveal be the Lannister's taking Highgarden as we see Cersei is once again one step ahead of her little brother. I don't need big epic battles all the time. I thought this was a creative way to tell the story. For me, this was all about Cersei outmaneuvering Tyrion and then Olenna dropping the massive truth bomb at the end. I didn't need to see a big battle.

Just my two cents.  

 
So now Euron takes a boat (or many boats) right past Dragonstone (with 3 dragons flying around) TWICE on his way to/from King's Landing without anyone on Dany's side spotting him?

 
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Bob Sacamano said:
'Cause if you can't see it coming that he stumbles across something while copying those scrolls, I don't know what to tell you.

Also, in case you've already forgotten, it's browning the butter.
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We'll see, they've already talked about a restricted section of the Citadel library, seems more likely whatever good info is in the Citadel is behind those bars and they wouldn't let a novice be copying things over out of the more important books. Then again Sam did impress Maester Marwyn with his treating Jorah so maybe those scrolls are more some of the more important ones that he is now trusting him with.

I thought it was more obvious when the new Maester at Winterfell dropped the tidbit that the previous Maester Luwin for the Starks kept every raven scroll ever received. They made it pretty obvious that Littlefinger's ears perked up at that comment. Something will come from that revelation.

 
LAUNCH said:
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They would have sailed south.
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Huh?  Euron is in King's landing talking to Cersei the first time promising her a gift.  He then leaves King's Landing to take out the Dornish fleet with the Greyjoy kids on there traveling south from Dragonstone.  So that's at least once, if not twice sailing right past Dragonstone.  Then, after taking out that navy, he returns to King's Landing to give Cersei her gift, going right by Dragonstone and 3 flying dragons a second, if not third time....in wooden boats.

 
the moops said:
Why are we thinking the armies were on her boats?
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I guess its possible that the Tyrell army is completely wiped out. Perhaps they had some troops on the boats, and now their castle is gone.  Extremely improbable, but it seems that may be the story they are telling. But it can't be possible that the entire Dornish army is out of play. Just looking at a map, its a massive nation that has yet to engage in a single battle in the entire story. I can't imagine the HBO writers are saying Dorne is no longer a player just because Euron sunk a few boats and Ellaria Sand is imprisoned.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I guess its possible that the Tyrell army is completely wiped out. Perhaps they had some troops on the boats, and now their castle is gone.  Extremely improbable, but it seems that may be the story they are telling. But it can't be possible that the entire Dornish army is out of play. Just looking at a map, its a massive nation that has yet to engage in a single battle in the entire story. I can't imagine the HBO writers are saying Dorne is no longer a player just because Euron sunk a few boats and Ellaria Sand is imprisoned.
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I don't think Ellaria dies in that prison. Dorne has to have some kind of role going forward, right?

 
Ilov80s said:
Like Mad Men,Sopranos, Breaking Bad, etc. they are splitting the last season into 2  seasons. 
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A matter of semantics but they are 2 separate seasons, they just shortened down from 10 episodes to 7. However some episodes will run longer to fit the narrative they want to tell in each episode.

 
Buckna said:
A matter of semantics but they are 2 separate seasons, they just shortened down from 10 episodes to 7. However some episodes will run longer to fit the narrative they want to tell in each episode.
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Ok, I thought I heard it was a split season...like you said it's semantics. 

 
Ilov80s said:
This is the first half of the last season.
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Unless they changed something just recently, the showrunners and the President of HBO(just last week in fact) are referring to the last Season as Season 8, not like in Sopranos where it was called Season 6 for both parts.

Season 8 will have only 6 episodes, but each episode is expected to be close to feature length with 80 minutes being on the low end and 120 minutes for some possible depending on how they edit.

There is a chance these won't air until early 2019.  All episodes have been written but none have been shot yet.

 
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I think the splitting of seasons vs new seasons thing has to do with contracts. No need to negotiate with Gandolfini if he's signed through season 6, just call it a split season. 

 
NewlyRetired said:
Unless they changed something just recently, the showrunners and the President of HBO(just last week in fact) are referring to the last Season as Season 8, not like in Sopranos where it was called Season 6 for both parts.

Season 8 will have only 6 episodes, but each episode is expected to be close to feature length with 80 minutes being on the low and and 120 minutes for some possible depending on how they edit.

There is a chance these won't air until early 2018.  All episodes have been written but none have been shot yet.
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I assume you mean 2019 or even 2020. 

 
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Buckna said:
A matter of semantics but they are 2 separate seasons, they just shortened down from 10 episodes to 7. However some episodes will run longer to fit the narrative they want to tell in each episode.
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season 8 is expected to be 6 episodes but this could change based on how they cut the episodes.  At the end of season 6 the showrunners said they had 13 episodes left, 7 for Season 7 and 6 for Season 8.

 
Ilov80s said:
I don't think Ellaria dies in that prison. Dorne has to have some kind of role going forward, right?
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I think there is a 5% chance we hear about Dorne again.  The storyline was unpopular.  We haven't met another character from Dorne.  Ellaria does not have much power aside from the sand snakes.  Her only motivation so far has been revenge on Cersei, not taking the Iron Throne.  And I thought I heard that Dorne was reluctant to join the Seven Kingdoms initially and considers itself a little more independent.  Ellaria isn't a compelling enough character to undermine Cersei's torture scheme by escaping or otherwise avoiding it.    

 
packersfan said:
That's cool if you like the books. :)

I liked how they revealed the Lannister plan. Having Tyrion so confidently narrate what we expected to be a victorious move only to have the ultimate reveal be the Lannister's taking Highgarden as we see Cersei is once again one step ahead of her little brother. I don't need big epic battles all the time. I thought this was a creative way to tell the story. For me, this was all about Cersei outmaneuvering Tyrion and then Olenna dropping the massive truth bomb at the end. I didn't need to see a big battle.

Just my two cents.  
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I agree, I think it worked in this case. I think they are also expecting the viewers to connect the dots and read between the lines more this season which is why we have some of the confusion in this thread (although some of it is schtick.) In this case, they showed Tarly riding with Jamie, I think we are supposed to infer that when he flipped, he took most of the Tyrell army and bannermen with him and Highgarden was caught totally unaware and unprepared. Also with Euron's fleet, if we take it literally that he has over 1,000 ships, he could have easily split his forces and taken out Yara's fleet of 100 and sent the other half to Casterly Rock.

 
The Indestructible said:
I think there is a 5% chance we hear about Dorne again.  The storyline was unpopular.  We haven't met another character from Dorne.  Ellaria does not have much power aside from the sand snakes.  Her only motivation so far has been revenge on Cersei, not taking the Iron Throne.  And I thought I heard that Dorne was reluctant to join the Seven Kingdoms initially and considers itself a little more independent.  Ellaria isn't a compelling enough character to undermine Cersei's torture scheme by escaping or otherwise avoiding it.    
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Good points. It just seems so weird to have this massive kingdom and for them to have such a minor role in the final war. 

 
The Indestructible said:
I think there is a 5% chance we hear about Dorne again.  The storyline was unpopular.  We haven't met another character from Dorne.  Ellaria does not have much power aside from the sand snakes.  Her only motivation so far has been revenge on Cersei, not taking the Iron Throne.  And I thought I heard that Dorne was reluctant to join the Seven Kingdoms initially and considers itself a little more independent.  Ellaria isn't a compelling enough character to undermine Cersei's torture scheme by escaping or otherwise avoiding it.    
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I think the opposite. It would be stranger if we didn't hear anything from dorne again.  They will return.  Maybe even a new character leading them.  

 
NewlyRetired said:
season 8 is expected to be 6 episodes but this could change based on how they cut the episodes.  At the end of season 6 the showrunners said they had 13 episodes left, 7 for Season 7 and 6 for Season 8.
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Yeah, the number has changed a few times so I forgot they landed on 13 total. I think they just recently said the scripts for the last season are done now. I would imagine shooting would start late this year to get as much snow/winter landscape in as possible.

 
Buckna said:
Yeah, the number has changed a few times so I forgot they landed on 13 total. I think they just recently said the scripts for the last season are done now. I would imagine shooting would start late this year to get as much snow/winter landscape in as possible.
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HBO just said the final six could be as long as two hours each. Sounds like we're going to get essentially mini movies for the final season which sounds awesome.

 
Buckna said:
Yeah, the number has changed a few times so I forgot they landed on 13 total. I think they just recently said the scripts for the last season are done now. I would imagine shooting would start late this year to get as much snow/winter landscape in as possible.
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the good news is that the scripts look long from their public statements for season 8 so while we might get less episodes, we could get more total minutes, which is all I care about.

 
need2know said:
I think the opposite. It would be stranger if we didn't hear anything from dorne again.  They will return.  Maybe even a new character leading them.  
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The first time we saw a character from Dorne was in season 4 (Oberin) and the whole clan is now eiethr dead or in the process -- there are only 4 more episodes this season and 6 next season -- with the battle for Westeros and the WW looming, you really think an insignificant family in the show will get any airtime from here on out?

 
matttyl said:
So now Euron takes a boat (or many boats) right past Dragonstone (with 3 dragons flying around) on his way to/from King's Landing without anyone on Dany's side spotting him?
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While not explained in much detail, Euron has some magic stuff going on with his fleet.  This may include some sort of masking/fog like power.   

 
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