culdeus
Footballguy
While not explained in much detail, Euron has some magic stuff going on with his fleet. This may include some sort of masking/fog like power.
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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (7 Viewers)
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While not explained in much detail, Euron has some magic stuff going on with his fleet. This may include some sort of masking/fog like power.
packersfan
Footballguy
Loved the scene where Tyrion tells Jon how unwise it is for Stark men to travel South and Jon replies, "But I'm not a Stark."
And then one of the dragons (representing the Targaryens and Jon's real lineage) flies overhead.
Might not have been all that subtle but I still liked the visual reference.
And then one of the dragons (representing the Targaryens and Jon's real lineage) flies overhead.
Might not have been all that subtle but I still liked the visual reference.
I think you both have a point, but as a reader of those things that don't exist, they really butchered the Dorne storyline. It barely resembles the storyline from those things that don't exist. Other than maybe a casual mention, I think they are probably done with Dorne. From a tactical standpoint, Dany no longer has any ships to transport the Dornish army and they are stuck at the extreme south end of the continent with the now "Tarly" army directly to the north.
Although I liked how someone earlier contrasted Tywin with Cersei. If it was Tywin, he wouldn't have killed Ellaria and her daughter, he would hold them as hostages or marry them off and force Dorne to fall in line. Cersei is so scorched earth and damn the consequences that they could bring back the Dornish army fighting for Dany in some way later on. If anything, Jamie is acting much more like Tywin now, getting a lesser lord like Tarly to turn on Olenna was straight up Tywin's moves against Robb with the Frey's and the Bolton's.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
True. At this point I think it would be poor storytelling. The Sons of the Harpy or whatever that group was called got more of a buildup. If Dorne does come back, their involvement should be minimal. Just have another character mention that they've sided with the Lannisters or whoever and leave it at that. If they bring in a new character now to lead Dorne and give Dorne a key role, it would be more than the dues ex machina role that Euron has played so far for Cersei.
culdeus
Footballguy
While not explained in much detail, Euron has some magic stuff going on with his fleet. This may include some sort of masking/fog like power.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
That was a great scene.Loved the scene where Tyrion tells Jon how unwise it is for Stark men to travel South and Jon replies, "But I'm not a Stark."
And then one of the dragons (representing the Targaryens and Jon's real lineage) flies overhead.
Might not have been all that subtle but I still liked the visual reference.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
They really have butchered it. Too bad because the start of it was amazing (The Viper).
skol asylum
Footballguy
Agree. The storyline seems solid, but rushing everything is what happens when you try to fit a season into 7 episodes. And next year only 6.
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
They did. The motivations for Dorne to get/stay involved are all still there. Just need to substitute The Viper/Elleria for Elia and her kids and its all still there. However, there are no characters to support it. I think it would take too long to try to develop the support. I think we've seen the last of Dorne. As reader of unmentionable things, I think this is sad, but since they so badly mangled that arc on the show, I am not sad.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
He really was an awesome character.
Maybe you have Tyrion free Ellaria as thanks for Oberyn stepping in to fight for Tyrion? That is the only motivation I can find in any of the characters, though again, I don't think we should really care about Ellaria.
Maybe you have Tyrion free Ellaria as thanks for Oberyn stepping in to fight for Tyrion? That is the only motivation I can find in any of the characters, though again, I don't think we should really care about Ellaria.
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Agreed, although ironic that they decided to shorten down the number of episodes but now when they have written them they are the length of two episodes. Seems like they probably mapped out everything they wanted to happen in each episode for the final 2 seasons but when it came time to write them they realized how much they had to cram in to make it work. It would be awesome if they can make it work where each episode is super long and still keep the quality up. Would really put the final touches and a unique stamp on such a great show.
packersfan
Footballguy
Apologies for mentioning the books but I saw one review the other day which said Dorne was pretty unsatisfying in the books too. I've never read the books so can't say but of all the Dorne characters the only real compelling one I've seen was the Viper.
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
Which would be ironic... as this is same problem that GRRM has. His story blew up on him and he is still struggling to put it all back together.
matttyl
Footballguy
So Cersei now has another ally in a banker. What's next, an insurance agent?!
Seriously, though - why didn't Dany (or specifically Varys or the Imp) attempt to get any backing from the Iron Bank when they were all in Essos for months (years)? Isn't it known that money wins wars? Or is that just something else that Cersei has outsmarted Tyrion with?
Seriously, though - why didn't Dany (or specifically Varys or the Imp) attempt to get any backing from the Iron Bank when they were all in Essos for months (years)? Isn't it known that money wins wars? Or is that just something else that Cersei has outsmarted Tyrion with?
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Dany's MO has been that people fight for her because they want to. She loses that appeal if she has to buy sellswords. That was how it played out with the unsullied. She bought them then freed them.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yup. Plus her entire path has been one that's been a break from the elite governing powers. She isn't going to side with a bank or look to one for assistance.
Her and Tyrion discussed that when they first met. Her famous "I'm going to break the wheel." response.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
being a relatively strange fellow, I rank the females in GOT based on how I think their perspective oral skills are. I think Ellaria is likely at artist levels with those skills so I still care
Cersei summed it up well too, Dany freed the slaves and destroyed much of the slave trade. The Iron Bank bankrolls the slave trade, they wouldn't exactly be supportive of a "revolutionary" like Dany as Cersei called her.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
I think we are going to need to see the full rankings.being a relatively strange fellow, I rank the females in GOT based on how I think their perspective oral skills are. I think Ellaria is likely at artist levels with those skills so I still care
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Euron has really grown on me... I find it 99% probable he either kills Jaime or vice versa, I see no other resolution there.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Dany also doesn't have a Yourgage to pay off. Tywin was waging an expensive war, sponsoring bachelor parties in Riverrun, throwing weddings for his grandkids, putting young royalty through finishing school, turning old gold mines into rec rooms, rehabbing Mountains, etc. Dany just showed up with a bunch of friends and fixed up an old abandoned property on the cheap.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
packersfan
Footballguy
Yeah I said yesterday I like him a lot more than I thought I would.
Gotta think it's a virtual lock he dies. I don't think he kills Jamie. I think Jamie makes it to the very end or near the end and if he dies it'll involve Cersei and/or Tyrion in some fashion.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
I think Arya will somehow go in disguise as Jamie and kill Cersei.
jamny
Footballguy
While not explained in much detail, Euron has some magic stuff going on with his fleet. This may include some sort of masking/fog like power.
kentric
Footballguy
It definitely was an awesome episode with some great character dialogue.
The one thing that I find amazing is how the large part of the Lannister army can move around the countryside without notice. What happened to Varys' Little Birds? Are there no spies in this realm.
I was also hoping that Dany would decide to fly off on one of her dragons and see for herself if there is a dead army at the Wall.
The one thing that I find amazing is how the large part of the Lannister army can move around the countryside without notice. What happened to Varys' Little Birds? Are there no spies in this realm.
I was also hoping that Dany would decide to fly off on one of her dragons and see for herself if there is a dead army at the Wall.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm hoping that doesn't happen if mainly because a lot of people now think it will. I wanna be surprised.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Wasn't Ellia or some Dornish character married to Dany's brother? Maybe that tie-in saves her as Dany will see them as family and come back for her.
I never really cared for her or any Dorne story post until last episode, now I am interested in her. There was a lot of emotion between her and Cersei. Cersei has always been a favorite of mine and I guess I saw a lot of the same qualities in Ellaria in that scene even though all the previous attempts to get her character over had been duds. Tyrion saving her might be the only possible way to save it at this point.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
still working on it. I am trying to categorize by their main skill first (for example Cerci's main skill relates to umm, how much she can take in at one time (trying to not get suspended here))I think we are going to need to see the full rankings.
The problems with the rankings is that a skill I might prioritize might not be important to someone else and vice versa. It is a work in progress
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
IDK, one thing this show has taught me is to expect the unexpected. Serious rivalry brewing between the two of them, and in a 1 on 1 fight, I don't see how he can take on Euron. I do agree it is a virtual lock Euron dies though
packersfan
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Everything they do, they do for a reason... Most of it I can sorta figure out, but I'm still trying to figure out the wolf's role as the series winds down. Any thoughts here? They brought him back for a reason, why?
Same thing with the recovering stoneman who loves Daenerys - trying to figure out where theyre going with him.
Same thing with the recovering stoneman who loves Daenerys - trying to figure out where theyre going with him.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Dany should be making better use of her dragons. She should have buzzed the Red Keep at least once or twice.
I guess though, as a mother she'll hesititate to put her children in danger.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
I agree. It is just tough to see what Arya's role can be going forward with her skill set.I'm hoping that doesn't happen if mainly because a lot of people now think it will. I wanna be surprised.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think we'll see that now that she's taken some big hits. I would expect that Dany's gonna be a dragon now.
packersfan
Footballguy
Still plenty of folks for her to kill. Going back home might not be as easy as she has thought so that will be interesting when she finally gets back to Winterfell.
That and I'm really hoping for a reunion with The Hound.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Bronn is going to end up killing Tyrion isn't he? GAME OF THRONES DON'T DO ME LIKE THAT!
kentric
Footballguy
The thought was more for her to raze the ships bringing her close to the ships and maybe taking an arrow. Long distance reconnaissance would be a viable use of the dragons.
In any event I didn't think it likely as the distance would likely be too great and you wouldn't want your leader out of touch for that long a period of time. It was just a wish list item. haha
Thunderlips
Footballguy
kentric
Footballguy
Robb's dead wife threw off way too much of a starfish vide to me. Missandei is definitely numero uno in my eyes.
James Bond
Footballguy
Had her near the top of my list until I saw a recent picture of her rocking blue lips and a nose ring.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Also, Braavosi banking regulations are a PITA. Dany was evasive when they asked where Viserys was to co-sign some documents. She also had to ask for another sheet of paper to fill out the "aliases" section of the new customer application, and when she included "the Unburnt" as an alias, her application got flagged by the bank's Patriot Act monitoring system.
Looking at the map, it seems way more logical that the Tyrell army would have marched overland to Kings Landing rather than getting picked up in the ships. I think the idea was that the Tyrell army defected rather than getting obliterated.
Also, didn't they make a big deal about how far the Unsullied would have to march to get back in the action? From the map, it seems like they have about the same distance to travel back to KL from Casterly Rock as the Lannister/Tarly army would from Highgarden
kentric
Footballguy
I actually thought she had poisoned the wine and was going to try to take out Jaime.
kentric
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
In the case of the Tyrells, their premier Bannerman defected. With no male heirs in the Tyrell family.....that house's future is uncertain. I'm sure the loyal Tyrell Men At Arms defended Olenna to the end (as indicated) but it would make no sense for lesser Houses/Bannerman to remain loyal. Think Umbers/Karstarks and the Boltons.
With the Dornish, they have much more of a personal cause to side with Dany (Dany's brother was married to a Martell....and there seems to be a general hatred of Lannisters in that kingdom.....but Ellaria seemed to not be on the up and up in her claiming rulership. It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for the greater Houses of Dorne to be sitting out this one.
