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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

I don’t read spoilers/fansites, nor listen to podcasts, but I’m thinking that next week:

• The Crypts end up becoming an Alamo/fall back-type situation once the human armies become overwhelmed. NK or some WW meet their doom down there at the hands of Arya & her spear. Varys sees something in one of the Starks (Sansa or Jon), that convinces him to sway his support to one of them “for the good of the realm.”

• Jon loses his dragon in battle, but hooks back up with Ghost to defend the Crypts. Ice dragon is killed, & Drogon takes a beating, leaving him as the last remaining dragon. Dany & Drogon take off to Dragonstone to lick their wounds.

• Beric dies, & The Hound takes up his flaming sword, finally facing his fear of the fire and embracing the Lord of Light. He then uses the fire sword to ultimately kill ZombieMountain, repaying him for throwing him into the fire when they were kids.

• Red Woman reappears before/during the battle to turn the tide with some prayers & magic (blessing some swords to “flame on” in battle - that’d be pretty sweet.) She dies helping save Davos & some others by buying them some time with fire magic.

• Deus ex machina: some random wildlings show up & add a lot of much-needed numbers to the Winterfell armies.

• Ser Brienne. Sigh. We hardly knew ye. Jamie lives. Tormund goes berserker on a zombie giant when she dies, and then falls in a glorious battle death.

• Cersei gets a raven hearing about devastation in Winterfell. She makes plans to take out Dany at Dragonstone. Stage set for final three episodes...

 
MikeMan said:
Did NOT like the shortcut of having someone walk in at the perfect moment to interrupt the conversation. Dany/Sansa - what would Dany have said next?  Dany/Jon - what would Jon have said next.  Both conversations interrupted seems weak.
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Very much agree

 
sn0mm1s said:
Well, all of the 7 kingdoms either were conquered or gave up their title to the original Targ conquerors - no different than Jon. So either his title meant nothing to begin with - or his subjects are all traitors. He was their king. He decided to kneel to save his kingdom. Those that act against those wishes are traitors.

Sansa's army is already demolished - or will be with the upcoming battle. All who are loyal are already at Winterfell - that was just mentioned in the past episode. There is no intelligent reason to become adversarial towards Dany. It puts an unnecessary target on your back.
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Dany still has Daario Naharis and the Second Sons.  I suspect they'll be used for the attack at Kings Landing.

 
culdeus said:
Remember for 3 seasons we had a post a page on how bran would one day warg into the dragons and make them do ####.  

That off the table now or nah?
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Dany controls her dragon and it appears that Jon can control the other. Not sure what exactly would be necessary about Bran warning into them now

 
Thunderlips said:
 Is the big swerve (maybe the reason we didn't see Cersei in this episode) that the NK is actually attacking Kings Landing?
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Is it possible to get an army from north of the wall past winterfell without them noticing? Isn't Bran routinely checking in on their progress? 

Seems implausible to get thousands of any army, let alone one being followed by a wizard boy, that far south without winterfell being alerted. Suppose I could see the NK taking just a part of his army south but that seems like a bad strategy. 

 
Maybe I am remembering this wrong, but at the end of Hardhomme, didn't Jon and/or others see the NK raise the dead after the battle?   (or Bran doesn't know this?)

Along with no mention of Ice Dragons, this hasn't crossed his mind as he is herding the women and children into the crypts?

 
KarmaPolice said:
Maybe I am remembering this wrong, but at the end of Hardhomme, didn't Jon and/or others see the NK raise the dead after the battle?   (or Bran doesn't know this?)

Along with no mention of Ice Dragons, this hasn't crossed his mind as he is herding the women and children into the crypts?
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Those were all the newly dead though.  I don't think we've seen an instance of him raising a fully decomposed corpse.  Of course, with it being as cold as it is in Winterfell the corpses may not have decomposed.

 
Always a challenge to a story when you introduce an all-knowing character like the 3 eyed raven.  "Why doesn't he tell them this?   Why didn't anyone ask him about this?"

 
Foosball God said:
Those were all the newly dead though.  I don't think we've seen an instance of him raising a fully decomposed corpse.  Of course, with it being as cold as it is in Winterfell the corpses may not have decomposed.
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Aren't there skeletons in the army of the dead?

(My memory is hazy here - I fully admit to checking out a bit when the show turns Walking Dead).  

 
shuke said:
Either I’m crazy or there were a lot of skeletons fighting in the battle of Hardhome. 
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As an expert on the topic I can confirm that there are dead covering the full spectrum from fresh fully fleshed out zombie to completely decomposed skeletons.

 
culdeus said:
Nk was introduced as the 9th Lord master commander of the nights watch. (Could be a book thing so sue me if true) Considering they are on like #999 now gonna say no.  
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Night's King isn't the Night King.  Also, Night's King was the 13th Lord Commander.

 
How many weirwood trees have we seen in the show?  I can think of 3 - the one at winterfell, the one way up north where the old man 3ER was trapped, and the one just north of the wall where Jon and Sam took their vows to the Night's Watch. (I remember reading that Melisandre was destroying some early on, but I may be confusing show and book).  What if the NK has already torched the two north of the wall, and his goal isn't really to kill Bran specifically (to erase the memory of Westeros as Bran says), but it's really to just destroy the entire weirwood network that Bran/3ER uses to see the visions?   Yes, killing Bran kills the current 3ER, but there may be another one that comes along later on as Bran did. Bran had the previous one to "show him the way" but he had to learn a large portion of it on his own, so it's not out of the question that a new one could emerge and become full-fledged 3ER alone.  Destroying all the weirwoods will kill any future 3ERs.  If Bran is correct that the NK's true mission is to erase humankind and it's memory, destroying the trees would be the sure-fire way to erase the memory of Westeros.   

 
wlwiles said:
How many weirwood trees have we seen in the show?  I can think of 3 - the one at winterfell, the one way up north where the old man 3ER was trapped, and the one just north of the wall where Jon and Sam took their vows to the Night's Watch. (I remember reading that Melisandre was destroying some early on, but I may be confusing show and book).  What if the NK has already torched the two north of the wall, and his goal isn't really to kill Bran specifically (to erase the memory of Westeros as Bran says), but it's really to just destroy the entire weirwood network that Bran/3ER uses to see the visions?   Yes, killing Bran kills the current 3ER, but there may be another one that comes along later on as Bran did. Bran had the previous one to "show him the way" but he had to learn a large portion of it on his own, so it's not out of the question that a new one could emerge and become full-fledged 3ER alone.  Destroying all the weirwoods will kill any future 3ERs.  If Bran is correct that the NK's true mission is to erase humankind and it's memory, destroying the trees would be the sure-fire way to erase the memory of Westeros.   
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I thought most of the great Northern houses had one, but I could be wrong.

 
Pipes said:
I'm surprised some of you still watch this hack of a show.
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It's a great show based on some great books. But when you make us wait 2 years for the final 6 episodes only to throw up consecutive airballs to start the final season, we're gonna let you hear about it.

 
EYLive said:
It's a great show based on some great books. But when you make us wait 2 years for the final 6 episodes only to throw up consecutive airballs to start the final season, we're gonna let you hear about it.
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and as we have talked here for ahwile, the show has been trending down for awhile. 

 
The Three-Eyed Raven as mankind's communal memory thing is weird because it currently has no function in society and basically no one knows about it. Would the Three-Eyed Raven come forth and save civilization if the Citadel burned down or something and all progress was lost? Who knows. 

 
Ilov80s said:
This season has been so paint by numbers so far. Bordering on fan-fic. 
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I get what you are saying.  On one hand, I have really loved some scenes that we have gotten over the past couple weeks.  On the other hand, the fact that most of us in here are saying what a common trope this is (and we have seen it in the show before) - characters getting together before the big battle, the people having the sex and saying goodbyes are probably biting it, etc. point to it becoming "just another show", albeit with characters that we have grown to love.   I think we are pretty far removed from the beginning of the show where we are getting surprised and characters who die stay dead.    I think I have been a little bit more on board with the last couple episodes than you based on the posts, but I think this is kind of what you are getting at.  

 
need2know said:
Ever since they ran out of material from the books.  Thanks martin
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Exactly although it seems like he may have run out of material as well. 

KarmaPolice said:
I get what you are saying.  On one hand, I have really loved some scenes that we have gotten over the past couple weeks.  On the other hand, the fact that most of us in here are saying what a common trope this is (and we have seen it in the show before) - characters getting together before the big battle, the people having the sex and saying goodbyes are probably biting it, etc. point to it becoming "just another show", albeit with characters that we have grown to love.   I think we are pretty far removed from the beginning of the show where we are getting surprised and characters who die stay dead.    I think I have been a little bit more on board with the last couple episodes than you based on the posts, but I think this is kind of what you are getting at.  
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It looks great and is so well produced but  I agree that the writing and direction since around S4 or 5 has really fallen off. The dialogue especially just isn't quite as sharp and the relies a lot more on the CGI and battles than it did before. 

 
They can't jump from location to location and and story line from story line any more for obvious reasons, but otherwise Season 8 Episode 2 was a perfect distillation what makes GoT great.  The payoffs from many hours of nuanced character development was excellent.

I get the feeling that a lot of people miss that expansive scope and think that's what made the show great.  Which is fine!  Lots of people prefer the NFL regular season to the Super Bowl for similar reasons. But that seems like an expression of personal preference rather than a legitimate criticism of the show.

 
Zow said:
Is it possible to get an army from north of the wall past winterfell without them noticing? Isn't Bran routinely checking in on their progress? 

Seems implausible to get thousands of any army, let alone one being followed by a wizard boy, that far south without winterfell being alerted. Suppose I could see the NK taking just a part of his army south but that seems like a bad strategy. 
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True....but there's hundreds of thousands of people between WF and KL....it's not like the Night King can't make an army pretty quickly. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
The Three-Eyed Raven as mankind's communal memory thing is weird because it currently has no function in society and basically no one knows about it. Would the Three-Eyed Raven come forth and save civilization if the Citadel burned down or something and all progress was lost? Who knows. 
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Just thinking out loud, but is Oldtown (The Citadel) as far south as it is because of previous WW attacks?

 
Seeing a lot more conjecture that the night king is going to attack kings landing with the dragon while winterfell is dealing with the rest of his army. Be cool. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
They can't jump from location to location and and story line from story line any more for obvious reasons, but otherwise Season 8 Episode 2 was a perfect distillation what makes GoT great.  The payoffs from many hours of nuanced character development was excellent.

I get the feeling that a lot of people miss that expansive scope and think that's what made the show great.  Which is fine!  Lots of people prefer the NFL regular season to the Super Bowl for similar reasons. But that seems like an expression of personal preference rather than a legitimate criticism of the show.
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A lot of people want marvel movie type episodes, with beginning/middle/end defined. 

I think these episodes are what has defined TV as the leading video medium for the last decade+.  You have the benefit of time, to tell the story and use the characters.  

Could you have cut 40 minutes of dialogue out of this episode?  Yes. Clearly.  It's how Marvel does it.  8 minutes of witty banter and 120 minutes of loud noises.  

Whether the dialogue has suffered, yeah probably.  Mainly because I'm not totally sure the writers knew how it was going to end.  I lay that at the feet of Martin.  

The Wire I think succeeded because they found out they had a hit, and took a break in Season 2 to figure out the way to best tell the story while keeping the characters moving.  GoT has had a lot of those episodes mixed in and isn't the worse for it, but they took a knee for Martin to finish at several points and he didn't.  So here we are.  

 
fruity pebbles said:
Be my guess. Be genius honestly. They have nothing to defend against a Dragon. He'd make short order of that army and attack winterfell from the South as well. Prolly won't happen but be fun
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If the guy can turn anything dead to living he could just raise an army of mean rats and overwhelm the castle.  The options are limitless.  Zombie monkeys from Dorne could do wonders on winterfell.  

 
wlwiles said:
How many weirwood trees have we seen in the show?  I can think of 3 - the one at winterfell, the one way up north where the old man 3ER was trapped, and the one just north of the wall where Jon and Sam took their vows to the Night's Watch. (I remember reading that Melisandre was destroying some early on, but I may be confusing show and book).  What if the NK has already torched the two north of the wall, and his goal isn't really to kill Bran specifically (to erase the memory of Westeros as Bran says), but it's really to just destroy the entire weirwood network that Bran/3ER uses to see the visions?   Yes, killing Bran kills the current 3ER, but there may be another one that comes along later on as Bran did. Bran had the previous one to "show him the way" but he had to learn a large portion of it on his own, so it's not out of the question that a new one could emerge and become full-fledged 3ER alone.  Destroying all the weirwoods will kill any future 3ERs.  If Bran is correct that the NK's true mission is to erase humankind and it's memory, destroying the trees would be the sure-fire way to erase the memory of Westeros.   
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I don't think Bran will die but I do see him imprisoned in the Winterfell weirwood tree like the other 3 eyed raven.  

 
fruity pebbles said:
Seeing a lot more conjecture that the night king is going to attack kings landing with the dragon while winterfell is dealing with the rest of his army. Be cool. 
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If he takes his dragon to kings landing what's going to stop Dani's two dragons from destroying his army at Winterfell?

 
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