Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)

[beer 30]

The sand snakes are dead so i guess that's addition by subtraction but they lost oberyn, their king, their prince, the dude with the axe, and all of the soldiers they sent to Dany on yara's ships.  

Forgot about the army getting drowned. Nevermind then

Dorne

 

[CletiusMaximus]

If we believe this show is fixated on foreshadowing the endgame, I think many are overlooking Sansa Stark.  If her character arc were a stock chart, it would point straight up from her infamous season 1 antics to her current status.  They've gone to some lengths to show she is a smart, merciful, benevolent leader of men, but with strength and willingness to punish those who deserve it.  My out-of-left field prediction is that Kings Landing is abandoned as the seat of power.  With the wall down, Winterfell becomes the center of power in Westeros with Sansa as queen.

 

[thecatch]

Forgot about the army getting drowned. Nevermind then

Dorne

My recollection was that they were attacked on the way to Dorne to pick up the army, not on the way back. But maybe I am misremembering. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Jon and Tyrion should either be on the run on in chains. 

Yeah she's definitely going to want to "fire" (wocka wocka) Tyrion after she finds out he let Jaime go.

 

[cashman88]

People keep postulating that Bran will warg into Drogon for various reasons - but I thought that Bran could only warg into simple-minded animals and humans.  Isn't the dragon supposed to be an intelligent animal, thus unable to be warged?

 

[the moops]

Yeah she's definitely going to want to "fire" (wocka wocka) Tyrion after she finds out he let Jaime go.

Yep. Not sure he is going to die, but he definitely will face some consequence from her.

 

[Capella]

Yep. Not sure he is going to die, but he definitely will face some consequence from her.

Takes away the Hand and sends him on his way. Gives it to the dickless guy (can’t think of his name) 

 

[tommyboy]

If we believe this show is fixated on foreshadowing the endgame, I think many are overlooking Sansa Stark.  If her character arc were a stock chart, it would point straight up from her infamous season 1 antics to her current status.  They've gone to some lengths to show she is a smart, merciful, benevolent leader of men, but with strength and willingness to punish those who deserve it.  My out-of-left field prediction is that Kings Landing is abandoned as the seat of power.  With the wall down, Winterfell becomes the center of power in Westeros with Sansa as queen.

possibly.   But the previews show Dany walking out on the plaza with all her soldiers in formation-  the entrance of the queen of ashes.   She's going to take  the throne.

whether she keeps it or not is the looming question

 

[brun]

People keep postulating that Bran will warg into Drogon for various reasons - but I thought that Bran could only warg into simple-minded animals and humans.  Isn't the dragon supposed to be an intelligent animal, thus unable to be warged?

So maybe he'll warg into Jon to kill Dany?

 

[BlueDredSo]

She torched the city that came crashing down on them.  People talk like it was an accident or something.  

Well, yeah obviously, I'm saying lit up like the others. Que sera...

 

[BlueDredSo]

Good post but I think you got this part flipped.  Most seemed to enjoy it.  I think it’s the vocal minority in that didn’t.  I could be wrong but most everyone in my circles loved it.  Though I don’t hang around a bunch of book dorks though.

Those I know seem pretty split on it. Some loved it, some absolutely hated it, and a few were "meh" (like me). Apparently it received the worst rating on Rotten Tomatoes in the show's entire history.

 

[tonydead]

@KarmaPolice

Here is where Hound, Arya and Jamie enter Kings Landing right before they shut the doors and before the #### hits the fan.   

Later on after the war breaks out Hound and Arya make it past the Red Keep doors and Jamie is shut out.  

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Takes away the Hand and sends him on his way. Gives it to the dickless guy (can’t think of his name) 

Think we're down to only one dickless guy on the show now.

 

[Thunderlips]

Takes away the Hand and sends him on his way. Gives it to the dickless guy (can’t think of his name) 

Nah, Baby...you just don't sent away good Dwarf ####.  You find a reputable #### merchant and sell that #### by the ounce for fat gold. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

There are a lot of dumb complaints about the show, how cersei died and jon not petting the dog (jfc) paramount among them.

Another dumb criticism is that The Hound was on the road with Arya for the whole ride down to Westeros, why tell her then to turn back. Gee, it's almost as if there were some dangerous circumstances afoot or something.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

possibly.   But the previews show Dany walking out on the plaza with all her soldiers in formation-  the entrance of the queen of ashes.   She's going to take  the throne.

whether she keeps it or not is the looming question

Isn't there some sort of selection process or conclave when it's uncertain who should become King or Queen? Seems like that kind of situation could arise if Dany gets offed, which seems exceedingly likely at this point.

 

[beer 30]

Yep. Not sure he is going to die, but he definitely will face some consequence from her.

No way Dany doesn't fire anyone up that isn't Unsullied or Dorthraki at this point. She doesn't trust anyone else...or more importantly, feel their love.

 

[Capella]

Another dumb criticism is that The Hound was on the road with Arya for the whole ride down to Westeros, why tell her then to turn back. Gee, it's almost as if there were some dangerous circumstances afoot or something.

This is the one that made me close twitter last night. JFC 

 

[bostonfred]

People keep postulating that Bran will warg into Drogon for various reasons - but I thought that Bran could only warg into simple-minded animals and humans.  Isn't the dragon supposed to be an intelligent animal, thus unable to be warged?

Flashback to highgarden. A goat herder finds a burnt animal from his herd and the half eaten corpse of another.  The dragon queen was in westeros.  Mhysa, they had called her in slavers bay.  It meant Mother.  This was obviously the work of one of her "children". 

He looks out at the dusty meadows.  The low clouds cast a shadow half the way to kings landing.  But one spot in the shadow seemed darker than the others. 

The oldest dragon was on the hunt.  He took cover, though he knew it wouldn't help.  A dragon eats whatever it wants.  

But the shadow was large, and misshapen.  Something was in its claws. Bran steps out from the fields to see what it is.  

It was large, and cumbersome, even for the giant beast.  A piece fell off. Then bran realized that this was no piece. It was a horse. What could he possibly be carrying that a horse fell off? 

It was one of the wagons.  The lannisters had sacked the castle, and Danaerys was taking their wagon.  The first wagons had gone to kings landing in a hurry with all of the stolen gold and spoils.  Which meant this one had all of the food. Without it, everyone outside kings landing would be dead before winter was over. 

Bran knew he was looking in the past. Or maybe the future.  It was hard to tell.  But he had to do something. He tried to warg into the dragon's head.

Its eyes widened, and he heard a voice in his head. You... are not my mother... you... do not... belong here. 

It was too smart. He couldn't control it.  And now it was turning towards him.  Could it see him?  Or touch him, as the night king had?  The dragon's head reared back. It was going to breathe fire down on him.  And that would destroy the wagon and sentence all of these people to death. 

He didn't fear for himself.

Drop the wagon! Screamed bran into the eldest dragon's head. It resisted.  He screamed again.  Drop the wagon! 

The wagon fell.  So did the dragon. It collapsed to the ground, landing hard and shaking the earth.  Its arms twitched as it convulsed.  Its mouth opened, but not to roar. 

Drop the wagon.... drop the wagon... drop wagon... drop wagon... dro gon.. dro gon...dro gon...

The end 

 

[Dickies]

Think we're down to only one dickless guy on the show now.

I dunno, seems like they're multiplying to me.

 

[encaitar]

Why were there 0 people in the keep as it crumbled? 

Because there are two ####wits in charge of the show that don't understand the words "logical consistency".

 

[Pipes]

This is the one that made me close twitter last night. JFC 

I was wrong earlier we need you here.  These complaints are getting more and more outrageous.  Glad it hasn't been taken to that extreme in here yet...some of the posts are close.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Isn't there some sort of selection process or conclave when it's uncertain who should become King or Queen? Seems like that kind of situation could arise if Dany gets offed, which seems exceedingly likely at this point.

Only aware of the Citadel doing that for the Grand Maester.

 

[Slapdash]

In one of the post-show discussions, they said he was originally written for a much smaller role, but the actor they found was so awesome and compelling, they increased his screentime and role in the story. Seems like a huge miss to me, he was a terrible character right to the end.

Oof

 

[bostonfred]

Why were there 0 people in the keep as it crumbled? 

During Blackwater cersei stayed with the ladies for a while but ultimately left with tommen.

During the bells and was looking out the window at the destruction.  

If you mean why didn't we see any of the other people, it's because the red keep was a huge building with a lot of rooms and Cersei didn't run downstairs to hang out with the poors. 

 

[Capella]

I was wrong earlier we need you here.  These complaints are getting more and more outrageous.  Glad it hasn't been taken to that extreme in here yet...some of the posts are close.

Dude on twitter said something like “let me get this straight. Arya rides with hound for 2 weeks to King’s landing and then turned around when Cersei was RIGHT THERE?!?”    

 

[Neo]

Dude on twitter said something like “let me get this straight. Arya rides with hound for 2 weeks to King’s landing and then turned around when Cersei was RIGHT THERE?!?”    

 

That is pretty spot on when you come to think of it. 

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

In one of the post-show discussions, they said he was originally written for a much smaller role, but the actor they found was so awesome and compelling, they increased his screentime and role in the story. Seems like a huge miss to me, he was a terrible character right to the end.

I actually think Pilou Asbaek is a pretty decent actor. I think the problem was in the adaptation of the character. from the wiki, this is his personality in the books:
 

"Euron is a wildly unpredictable man, known for his delight in playing vicious mind games and waging psychological warfare on anyone around him. He is hated by his brothers for this reason. A skilled warrior and manipulator, Euron is cunning, shrewd and ruthless."

in the show, they made the decision to display these attributes by making him a one-note cartoon villain. so it's not surprising everyone hated him.

 

[beer 30]

The end 

You're trying too hard now. You've put in the work, you're well respected, take a break...rest. You've earned it

I, uh...suppose, we uh...sorta new all along about Dany

https://youtu.be/dJIj9L_NU2Q

 

[Good Posting Judge]

You're trying too hard now. You've put in the work, you're well respected, take a break...rest. You've earned it

I, uh...suppose, we uh...sorta new all along about Dany

https://youtu.be/dJIj9L_NU2Q

There's no question that she has little compunction about torching her enemies, or people who are a threat to her. A whole gigantic city of innocents is a whole different deal.

 

[beer 30]

There's no question that she has little compunction about torching her enemies, or people who are a threat to her. A whole gigantic city of innocents is a whole different deal.

Think of it as a culmination of her earlier efforts. You start small, one slaver here, a rebellious lord there then move on to uprisings. From there it's an easy hop to full armies and once you've made that leap, full cities are really all that remains. Think of it as her Mona Lisa or Toccata & Fugue in D Minor.

Dany paints with fire and Kings Landing was her canvass this week.

 

[Gr00vus]

That is pretty spot on when you come to think of it. 

Not really. They weren't planning on Danaerys going nuts and destroying the castle with everyone still in it with her dragon. You need to rethink things at that point.

 

[jplvr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=255&v=-ikUYFK84OQ

 

[Capella]

That is pretty spot on when you come to think of it. 

Only if you aren’t paying attention to literally anything else going on around them. 

 

[Neo]

Only if you aren’t paying attention to literally anything else going on around them. 

That's a good point. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Taking a swing on Dany perishing by arrow at +1600. We know Arya's nice with the bow, and it might be tough for anyone to get close to her.

 

[hooter311]

Why is Donald Sumpter (Maester Luwin of Winterfell) listed as a guest star at least through the middle of the second season?  He appears in most/all episodes and it seems like he should credit as a regular actor.

Actor's guild red tape. 

Paycheck has more of an influence on crediting than screen time.

 

[hooter311]

I know the deaths of Jamie and Cersei have been debated - but one of the unintended (intended?) consequences of how and where they died is that it seems unlikely the bodies will be found any time soon.

I don't think Daenerys will have known about Jamie's escape - and Tyrion's assistance - until after the fires die down.  But, she will learn about it - and when Cersei and Jamie cannot be found, she will probably assume they escaped - which does not bode well for Tyrion.

Dany just murdered a million people, even if Cersei was alive...what would be the threat?  

 

[hooter311]

Taking a swing on Dany perishing by arrow at +1600. We know Arya's nice with the bow, and it might be tough for anyone to get close to her.

Tyrion +750 for winner of game of thrones.

 

[hooter311]

I'd stay away from looking at any odds for who ends up on the Iron Throne if you want to avoid spoilers. Bovada has someone listed as a -500 favorite.

I would hope studios are smart enough these days to budget for this.  We're talking an extremely small market with very low maximums.  The books line them in a way and the software automatically adjusts to keep them in black on almost any outcome.

The starbucks fiasco should tell you just how few people are watching the final cuts of these episodes before they are aired.  The studios know people are going to digging for leaks so why not plant a few red herrings.  

A reputable shark could move these markets universally in a big way with less than 10k.

If you work for the studio, I am available for hire.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Think of it as a culmination of her earlier efforts. You start small, one slaver here, a rebellious lord there then move on to uprisings. From there it's an easy hop to full armies and once you've made that leap, full cities are really all that remains. Think of it as her Mona Lisa or Toccata & Fugue in D Minor.

Dany paints with fire and Kings Landing was her canvass this week.

This was her  Eiffel Tower. This was her Rachmaninoff's Third. Her  Pieta.  Bafflingly beautiful.

 

[tri-man 47]

Not that it matters for most, but Euron didn't have armor and a sword. He had a dagger and Jamie impaled him through the chest...meaning no armor.

So, the swim to the shore where no soldiers were and no battle taking place wasn't so ridiculous.

It was more realistic than the scene a few seasons ago where Jaime - in his armor - and Bronn emerge on the far side of a lake after the Lannister army got decimated.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It was more realistic than the scene a few seasons ago where Jaime - in his armor - and Bronn emerge on the far side of a lake after the Lannister army got decimated.

A really shallow lake with a good hard river pebbly bottom perfect for walking along with ones nose above water but mostly concealed so as to avoid detection.  there was probably a concealing mist as well, one that just cleared as the scene came into focus.

 

[zoonation]

Wife just sent me this review from the gossip sight she and her friends follow.  Could be the best piece I've read yet:

https://www.laineygossip.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-recap/55653

 

[Jobber]

That is pretty spot on when you come to think of it. 

Not really. They didn’t expect Dany to firebomb the entire city. Arya made the smart choice. Either the Hound is correct that the Cerci gets burned alive/crushed, or she escapes. If the latter, Arya has no problem playing ninja assassin again on her own schedule.

 

[Daywalker]

Dany dead.  Sansa on the throne.  Jon north of the wall.  Dragon lives.

Series is back in 10 years.

 

[MikeMan]

I understand people have their mind made up on the Dany flip but I want to put it another way.

The devolution to madness for her is not linear. She's not killing 1, then 5, then 100, then 1000, and then the city so that people can say it makes sense and easily saw it coming. BTW, her advisors and other characters would see it coming too.

As other said, she 'snapped'. In order to snap, you have to have certain things in place and I think ALL were there. Genetics were there, loss of children, loss of advisors, betrayal of advisors, loss of most of loyal army, feeling as an outsider, and the straw was the loss of her love relationship.  All the pieces were in place. Let it be fear!

And it had to be big! My jaw was as dropped as Tyrion and Jon's. Great tv!

I don't think Arya kills anyone else. Hound talked her out of living for revenge, and she said thank you. Rides out on a white horse. Basically ends her story.

Jon has sworn allegiance to Dany. And loves her. He always keeps his word. This is the main remaining storyline.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Wife just sent me this review from the gossip sight she and her friends follow.  Could be the best piece I've read yet:

https://www.laineygossip.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-recap/55653

That's pretty good, and pretty much how I felt after the episode, before I thought about it all some more. 

Daenerys going mad isn’t inherently a bad decision, it’s just that the writers tried to have it both ways. They wanted Daenerys to appear as a heroine, at the same time they were supposed to be setting her up to be a villain. That tang of discord was always in her, but it was never teased out in a way that effectively complicated her. Her dangerous impulses should have been growing steadily all along, we never should have been comfortable with the idea of her regaining the Iron Throne, we always should have been the gods holding their breath, to paraphrase Varys (RIP). Missandei’s death should not have forced a sudden heel turn so much as been the straw that broke the camel’s back. Instead, what we got was a heroic Dany right up until the moment she HAD to break bad, in order to fit into the predetermined ending.

I liked this one because of the cinemetograhpy in particular. Just good TV, period. I was, in fact, surprised that so many people in here liked the episode as much as they did. I did, but I'm not a tough critic like many in here are, NTTAWWT. I liked the episode despite disagreeing with the direction they took many of the characters. And that quote from the article above explains a good bit of why lots of people have complaints.  And, in this thread, I think that's what people have been essentially saying with the "it feels too rushed" comments.  I am guessing that looking back, the writers will also realize that, hey maybe we should have fleshed that out a bit more in the lead-up to the final season, to spread out the "turn" a bit more so it wasn't so blunt force trauma like.

 

[tri-man 47]

A really shallow lake with a good hard river pebbly bottom perfect for walking along with ones nose above water but mostly concealed so as to avoid detection.  there was probably a concealing mist as well, one that just cleared as the scene came into focus.

I recall a dramatic shot of them sinking down into the water ...but no big deal.  Maybe it's something with the big action/battle scenes that switch the focus from the writing/dialogue to the action itself.  This recent episode had some moments of questionable logic,  but in the end, I was completely entertained.  In particular, the more tender moments were excellent - Jaime/Tyrian, Arya/Hound, Cersei/Jaime ...even the less tender Hound/Mountain encounter.  

 

[Buckychudd]

Wife just sent me this review from the gossip sight she and her friends follow.  Could be the best piece I've read yet:

https://www.laineygossip.com/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-recap/55653

I'm calling BS that she knew how it was going to play out after the first two seasons.