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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)
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I looked for the clip where Hound and Arya made it through the doors, yes, regular people were pouring inside the keep up until the time the doors were shut. Jamie was unable to push through the crowd in time to make it. It was like people trying to get into Wal-Mart on opening Black Friday. Not to mention Ceresi talking about letting them in the keep to her hand the prior episode.
Dany didn't forget about the Keep, she lit it up, the entire outside was in flames that the Hound and Mountain fell into. Ultimately it led to enough collapse that it ended up killing Jamie and Ceresi. Of course Dany could have skipped the people outside in kings landing, but, that wasn't the scenario the writers wanted. They wanted her to go all out F it all mad. Jon didn't seem to care about her, why should she care. That's the point.
KarmaPolice
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KarmaPolice
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Yeah, I get that she got to it eventually - I am not that old and paying that little attention.
That's how I saw it - there were some people trying to get in as a last ditch of protection (being the Queen's castle and all), but it's not like Cersei packed it with humans, which is the idea that this debate was grown from. Again, just a little detail that I thought about that effected my interpretation of the scene (the blue bolded above) - I thought she was telling the Hand to let more in KL, not the Red Keep. If that's not the case, so be it.
Also, I get that's how the writers wanted it. Like I said, it seems like a lot of the people not liking this moment's argument is that they just went for shock, which is not the same as an earned surprise due to character development. I get where they are coming from.
culdeus
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Maik Jeaunz
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I don’t really buy that. If they had showed Dany’s slow descent into madness over several seasons, everybody would be saying “pfft, they totally telegraphed that.” They showed just enough of the signs, and she’s lost so much recently, that you’re shocked when she turns, but not totally surprised.
I think most of the outrage is really that Dany was one of the favorite characters of a lot of people, and they are having a hard time coming to terms with backing Darth Khaleesi.
Mario Kart
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Dragons fly west across The Sunset Sea to their home. It is rumored that Illyrio Mopatis or someone close to him knows a way to get across the Sunset Sea, hence, dragon eggs.
Buckychudd
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Dickies
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Ghost Rider
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Hard to keep up with this thread, but to touch on a few things:
-if Bran gets the Iron Throne, I will not be pleased.
-Bronn and that crossbow still have to come into play.
-Killing Dany will be extremely difficult since the remaining Unsullied and Dothraki will protect her to the death. And I can't imagine she will be alone again ever with Jon Snow, Tyrion or any of the Starks.
-My personal hope is that the winner in the end is either Dany, Tyrion or Sansa (in that order).
-if Bran gets the Iron Throne, I will not be pleased.
-Bronn and that crossbow still have to come into play.
-Killing Dany will be extremely difficult since the remaining Unsullied and Dothraki will protect her to the death. And I can't imagine she will be alone again ever with Jon Snow, Tyrion or any of the Starks.
-My personal hope is that the winner in the end is either Dany, Tyrion or Sansa (in that order).
Book quote from Dany's time in the house of the undying
“Viserys, was her first thought the next time she paused, but a second glance told her otherwise. The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?”
“Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked.
“He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
“Viserys, was her first thought the next time she paused, but a second glance told her otherwise. The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?”
“Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked.
“He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.”
Yes outside, when she when to see Drogo, it was snow. In the great hall, that had been destroyed, it was ash.
KarmaPolice
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Listening to the longer Bald Move podcast.
Would people that didn't like the Dany stuff liked it more if the second dragon dies right before she went off? The idea they had was her going to battle with both (also does away with the Euron surprise last Ep), and winning it easily. As the bells toll and she was thinking she won, cersei/euron/rando gets a last bolt off that kills rhaegar - sending her off the deep end.
Would people that didn't like the Dany stuff liked it more if the second dragon dies right before she went off? The idea they had was her going to battle with both (also does away with the Euron surprise last Ep), and winning it easily. As the bells toll and she was thinking she won, cersei/euron/rando gets a last bolt off that kills rhaegar - sending her off the deep end.
Good Posting Judge
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Good Posting Judge
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Losing a dragon and immediately going off the deep end makes a lot more sense than seeing the Red Keep and hearing some stupid bells.
Capella
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I wondered if the NK just killed the second dragon if people would have been ok with that, but then I remembered the complaints about him killing the first dragon last year, so whelp.
KarmaPolice
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I am guessing these are the types of things GRRM ran into with all the plots, but Dany was way overpowered when she came across the sea, so I think they had to figure out how to knock her down a few pegs, which meant probably the dragons had to go or most of them.
I get the feeling that people weren't complaining just because a dragon got taken out, more that they got taken out with 3 for 3 accuracy, especially now in this last episode we see what a dragon could do.
Mile High
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Probably not a spin off, but nothing wrong with a few unanswered questions. They really have no way to kill him beyond some contrived Hollywood bs.
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zoonation
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hooter311
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I don't see how public lines could contain any more spoilers than they do for Awards shows or wrestling ppvs.
The offshore books offering these tiny max prop lines are basically parimutual lines adjusted by software so the books can't lose.
You are correct that smart money adjusts them as well, but in this case it could just as likely be a couple grand in dumb money setting the lines.
If someone wants to transfer me 4k, I bet I could get brienne down to +200. Won't make it any more likely to happen.
The offshore books offering these tiny max prop lines are basically parimutual lines adjusted by software so the books can't lose.
You are correct that smart money adjusts them as well, but in this case it could just as likely be a couple grand in dumb money setting the lines.
If someone wants to transfer me 4k, I bet I could get brienne down to +200. Won't make it any more likely to happen.
hooter311
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But this is tv, not avengers. I can't even imagine what it costs to have a cgi dragon on screen. I'm sure the books will have way more zombies and dragons for those fantasy types.
Good Posting Judge
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It's possible that someone let some goofy info slip out there on purpose. Wasn't there talk during the making of the season about filming multiple endings?
culdeus
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Thunderlips
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Seeing "Cersei is fleeing the area" with that janky arrow on the screen would have been nice.
KarmaPolice
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Amount of screen time isn't what I am talking about, but yeah - I'm sure it's not cheap.
They could have treated them like Direwolves and just not have them in a few seasons just to have them magically pop up the last couple episodes.
It would have least been something that explains her motivation. It would have been far better than what we got.
I know I am in the minority, but I did not like it as much. Against the WW, her dragon seemed to have limited fire capabilities. Now here he is lighting the city on fire like no tomorrow. I have issues with the pace and timing of everything. Feels so rushed and forced. I just didn't care for it.
This was far from the best the series has offered.
This was far from the best the series has offered.
the moops
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The dragon grows bigger and stronger everyday. As does her ability to control and ride the dragon. She went from just enjoying the fact that she could ride a dragon to enjoying that she could really #### #### up with a dragon. And I can't blame her. I would also love to #### #### up with a dragon. Sounds awesome
skol asylum
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Because in the past she has used her wrath on those who were a threat. She also has shown she is more than capable of setting aside her ambitions, at least temporarily, to fight for the greater good. See the battle of Winterfell. Also, the enemy at Kings Landing had surrendered and was clearly defeated and done fighting. It makes very very little sense for her to decide at that point to go on a murderous rampage against innocent bystanders and destroy the city that she has wanted to rule over for so long.
I mean I get the intent of the story to have her turn into the mad queen at some point. As others have said, it just wasn't executed all that well.
beer 30
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Well, being a a dragon does have other benefits aside from breathing fire. He could sneeze on her and blow her through a wall, he could simply sit on her because he is fairly large, he could probably fart in her general direction and do some serious damage. Can you imagine a dragon fart? Do dragons fart? Just spitballing here...
I hate when people do this but I'm going to anyhow. Don't think @sho nuff was saying that. I think he was implying from the first 3 minutes of episode 1 and throughout the entire 8 seasons, this whole WW thing was a major plot line. The ending of that plot line was abrupt and unexpected given the amount of time devoted to it over 7 previous seasons. Might be wrong but this is how I'm interpreting his statement.
They cooked a 12 year old disabled little girl that was as sweet as could be. You think Dany sitting the throne is too dark?
KarmaPolice
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There were dark moments in the show, just wondering if they will be that dark for the end of the series is all.
Capella
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I think it would be amazing if she killed Jon and Tyrion and just took power for 50 years. Epilogue of how much worse everything is under her rule.
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Thunderlips
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Would Dany be worse than Cersei? Cersei was using all those people as basically a human shield. Just because she did what she did doesn't mean she's "breaking bottles over her head, pulling her pants down and :finger blu-blu-blu-bluing over her lips: crazy. She's not Orson Lannister. I don't think she has devolved into the worst of Ramsey and Joffery nor would rule like them.
I wouldn't be surprised if the show ended with Dany on the Throne and the realm being prosperous; with her basically being dead inside, devoid of all love, trust and companionship
shadyridr
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I think what bothers a lot of people is they took all this time building upon these evil characters and fans were looking forward to them getting the payoff in the finale. Meanwhile, they killed the NK two episodes ago and Cersei this past episode. There are no more "bad guys" to kill off in the finale except Dany and she only became a bad guy in the 2nd last episode of the series. There is no emotional connection to killing her off now. No "HELL YEAH" rooting interest for a lot of people. I still enjoy the story but am not looking forward to the finale as much as I thought I would be.
supermike80
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Same as LOST. Just failed to deliver on pretty much everything. True here as well. All that build up to a big fat nothing burger
beer 30
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It doesn't seem like the trajectory of the show points toward the mad evil queen Daenerys sitting on the throne as the episode ends on Sunday but who knows? I think it would be one of the bolder moves of this season if they did. And I wouldn't mind it. In my mind that would fit with the story line and it would also be the easiest, most logical path for the writers to wrap this up. Certainly Dany holds all the power cards right now. Piece of cake for her to eliminate her detractors that remain at Kings Landing.
Whether that is considered "dark" or not is probably debatable but really no need to quibble over it.
otb_lifer
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remember those crowd reaction shots that circulated after Arya offed the NK? that's how i reacted when Euron speared Reaghal, and it will be 100x that Sunday night when this pipsqueak pepperpot is FINALLY given her commupance - i cannot ####### wait!
i have loathed her from s1 ... was never attracted to her arc in any way - and most of that had to do with Clarke having the acting range of a ####### 3 month old pineapple ... so wooden and hilariously limited - i still contend that Greyworn and Miss Sandy were kept around just to make her look downright flamboyant in comparision (those 2 were so laughably lame and boring).
credit where it's due, though ... Clarke has been very damn good this season, i LOVED the heel turn shtick because it put some villain meat on her arc bone, and she chewed it up.
add to that the fact that she's a dynamite off screen lady, just so full of personality and mischief ... and the health scares she's overcome - so, i love Clarke, but despise the Khaleesi/M.O.D./Dany character - i, for one, will be ecstatic when she bites it - #### her.
shadyridr
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How about this for an ending?
Dany marches her soldiers to Winterfell to eliminate the Starks and Jon Snow. The Starks go north of the wall in hiding. Dany rules the Seven Kingdoms under tyrany. A pregnant Arya gives birth to her and Gendry's baby. Bran (the 3 eyed raven) steals the baby and turns him into a White Walker as Bran's eyes turn a shade of blue and credits roll. This was his plan all along and the cycle continues...
Dany marches her soldiers to Winterfell to eliminate the Starks and Jon Snow. The Starks go north of the wall in hiding. Dany rules the Seven Kingdoms under tyrany. A pregnant Arya gives birth to her and Gendry's baby. Bran (the 3 eyed raven) steals the baby and turns him into a White Walker as Bran's eyes turn a shade of blue and credits roll. This was his plan all along and the cycle continues...
shadyridr
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the moops
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While I agree that the Night King thing sort of fizzled (appeared they just needed to end that story line in order to get back to the more important fight for the throne), I loved the Cersei ending. Both she and Jaime died because of their biggest weaknesses. Cersei's lust for power and thinking she was invincible until the very end. And Jaime loving his sister beyond anything else
otb_lifer
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dunno, man ... the nerd tribe gathering game with this series is most prolific in history
Thunderlips
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Thunderlips
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Cersei was the Sixers. Dany was Toronto. Kawahi Leonard was Drogon. Sometimes, you just can't beat a dragon.
Capella
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Why do you need more just because it’s a finale. It’s basically going to be the final pages of a book. Maybe even an epilogue.
belljr
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otb_lifer
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would love if they allowed for at least 10-15 mins of that - especially if things break the way i see them.
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shadyridr
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beer 30
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YES! I hate when a show ends, especially one that has gone on for as long as GoT and doesn't wrap up the story arcs in a quick epilogue.
