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Or maybe Jon Snow is not Ned's son. Remember how honor bound Ned was and how core it was to him as a person. There has been many comments through the seasons with something along the line of "even Ned has a *******" kind of meaning to it which could be foreshadowing. But who? What lineage? Does not make much sense for Ned to take a ******* of Robert Baratheon's. If he had Targaryen blood then why no white hair? So, what other royal lineage is there?
KP, I must have missed that -- who is getting delivered to Arya?Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
http://i.imgur.com/ZpZu3Pn.pngKP, I must have missed that -- who is getting delivered to Arya?Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
Yeah this makes a whole lot of sense. It would explain a lot of things (including maester amon's support of jon). I'm pretty sure that when Ned and Jon parted ways at your crossroads, he never actually said "you're my son".
http://i.imgur.com/ZpZu3Pn.pngKP, I must have missed that -- who is getting delivered to Arya?Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
Sadly I forgot what he did to her. Is that who (maybe) killed her fencing instructor?
That would make sense as to why Ned would take him in and protect him by allowing the shame as his '*******' to rest on him. But why no white hair like all the other Targaryens? Isnt that suppose to be a thing with them? Or maybe that is a result of the inbreeding and the black hair took over from Lyanna?
This is the first time in 95 pages of this thread I actually had my mind blown. That's a great twist.
That's how I took it. That the black hair is from Lyanna. The more I think about it, the more I'm convincing myself that Jon is actually Rhaegar and Lyanna's. It all starts to add up too. Ned was 100% honor bound, no way he had a *******, doesn't fit, even Stannis said something about that it wasn't Ned's. Barristan's last speech to Dany was about how kind and sensitive her brother was. Littlefinger just smirked when Sansa replied about Rhaegar raping her aunt. Maybe he knows as well?
) but there is a lot. Add in Meliendre's desire to basically devour him.... there is a lot of circumstantial evidence.
There was an article on Yahoo this morning speculating just this. They speculated that was the case with Ned's honor to family, the red witch and Tiny Finger giving the background of Lyanna and Rhaegar to Sansa while they were in the tombs.
I had completely forgotten about him even being on the list. I had to google it, but you're right. He killed Syrio. Well, I don't think we actually see him get killed but we've seen Trant since, and I Syrio said something about never running. So it's pretty heavily implied Syrio died there.http://i.imgur.com/ZpZu3Pn.pngKP, I must have missed that -- who is getting delivered to Arya?Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
but the current theory is Syrio = faceless man with Arya.I had completely forgotten about him even being on the list. I had to google it, but you're right. He killed Syrio. Well, I don't think we actually see him get killed but we've seen Trant since, and I Syrio said something about never running. So it's pretty heavily implied Syrio died there.http://i.imgur.com/ZpZu3Pn.pngKP, I must have missed that -- who is getting delivered to Arya?Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
Yea, it was funny because when she was in front of the House of Black and White going through her list I was thinking "Wow, the list has gotten real short and she only killed one person on it" + the other that would have been if she knew his name. She better get a move on or that list will be useless by another couple of episodes!
But in order to become a Faceless Man, she must become 'No One.' She must let go of Arya, meaning she needs to let go of her list.
Unless she is out with the faceless man for training, they encounter Trant, and she is told she has to choose her list or choose killing him.
She kept Needle which was pretty much a statement that she is not ready to totally let go. I think she is going to go along with the 'no one' thing but with the intent of still being Arya. I don't see how specifically mentioning Ser Trant being shipped off to Braavos is anything other than setting up some sort of conflict between her and him. Now, maybe it is where she finally let's go of being Arya but I am betting it is where she kills Ser Trant. (and man, how is that going to put a smile on my face..... I was happy when the actor got killed in a whole different series!)
Agreed. I don't post in this thread much because I didn't start watching until a free HBO weekend where I recorded seasons 1-3 and caught up on 4 after the new year when I got into HBO Go. I don't think this TV show thread is more negative than any other one I have read.
Really? He seems to be the only one who thinks men should stand on the merit of their ability to act instead of their lineage. Nothing wrong with that. To your point though...I think I was also one of the very few who thought Tywin Lannister was in the right as well.....except for his disdain for Tyrion.
Going against the nepotism of the world and making it vs being a good guy are not really things I think have direct relation. You seem to think that it is ok if you are ruthless as long as you have other desirable character traits which apparently is greed/desire for power.
If felt really chopped. They didn't build much of a relationship between them all or the woman, nor were they given any real personalities.Spin said:
It felt forced to me. It felt like they needed to introduce the Sand Snakes and that is what they came up with rather than being something that flowed well with the story.
Who isn't ruthless in this story though?Chadstroma said:
They messed up all the way around on the Sand Snakes. Cut out the most important one.
KarmaPolice said:Just to tip the scales to positivity for Timmy:
- love Bronn great decision to send him off with Jamie
- great scene with them and Jamie saying he will split Tyrion in two when he sees him
- i really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter.
- loved the staredown that the red woman gave stannis' wife
- speaking of the red woman
- i loved that Arya is getting someone on her list shipped to her on a platter.
- i really liked the crypt scene. Ok, minus the creeper kiss.
- Interested to see what Cersei wants of Littlefinger (if he is really heading back there).
Didn't think about that. Good catch.
The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
A really poorly conceived and written scene. There were a couple others like that last night, just plain exposition that felt forced.
That's one of the other scenes I was thinking was poorly conceived/written, along with the Stannis explains how his daughter got sick scene and the one where Barristan tells Danaerys about her brother the minstrel.The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
A really poorly conceived and written scene. There were a couple others like that last night, just plain exposition that felt forced.
I've stated clearly in this thread that I stink with names, so maybe I've forgotten it already in only one day, but did the tv show actually use the name "Sand Snakes" and I just missed it, or does their name come from knowledge outside of what we've seen already in the tv show?
Ellaria (Oberon's girl) mentioned them to Doran (the guy in the wheel chair overlooking the Water Garden. Sand (******* children from Dorne) - Snake (Oberon was the Red Viper)
I guess that one didn't bother me. Tyrion is always reading, seems to know houses/sigils, and would probably know who Dany had around her from Westeros.The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
If Ned promised he would not tell anyone, he would keep that promise (even to the point of bad relations with his wife). That was his honor-bound way of doing things.
He recognized the symbol on his armor.The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
A really poorly conceived and written scene. There were a couple others like that last night, just plain exposition that felt forced.
Ned was noble to a fault. If he promised to keep a secret, i can see him keeping it even from Cat. Especially if it is one of the magnitude that we are talking. It did seem like he had the intention of telling Jon soon, maybe when he was old enough to make a decision about what to do with whatever knowledge Ned was going to drop on him.
OK I get that, the fact that he figured out his exact gameplan and his life story the last few months and the way he went about it just seemed dumb. I get the dwarf is sharp but come on... (I'm nitpicking here, its no big deal)He recognized the symbol on his armor.The dwarf figuring out who Jorah was after asking him like two questions was kinda dumb too.
A really poorly conceived and written scene. There were a couple others like that last night, just plain exposition that felt forced.
