Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

[belljr]

Pretty sure that was a Honda from season 2

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'd have to imagine Davos is planning on robbing the bank. All the talk about smuggler vs. pirate just fits too well.

Also I don't think he would need a little girl to remind him to use a bank. "Hmmm....I need money but don't know where to get it. What's that you say? You can get a loan from a bank when you need cash? I'd never thought of that!".

Nah, I think it is all about finding financial backing for Stanis. Not so much maybe a loan as maybe positioning Stanis as the past due collector. Remember the comments last episode from Queen of Thorns to Tywin about fearing the Iron Bank? If all was well between Tywin and the Iron Bank then why would there be any fear of them? Also- it would be one heck of a bank robbery to cross the sea, go into a foreign city, rob the bank, haul a significant sum of gold (heavy) out and back across the sea.... seems highly doubtful to me.

my thought as well. thinking of a deal where the iron bank finances their army to get repaid with a hefty sum once stannis is king both on that debt and the lannister debt. or maybe more of an "equity play" where the iron bank gets a piece of the kingdom as repayment.

I'd think it would have to be the latter. Given that the royal coffers are empty and wildly in debt with the bank in the first place, I'm not sure how a broke Stannis would be any more able to repay them after taking the kingdom than the current regime which at least has a rich family backing them up.

 

[culdeus]

I'd have to imagine Davos is planning on robbing the bank. All the talk about smuggler vs. pirate just fits too well.

Also I don't think he would need a little girl to remind him to use a bank. "Hmmm....I need money but don't know where to get it. What's that you say? You can get a loan from a bank when you need cash? I'd never thought of that!".

Nah, I think it is all about finding financial backing for Stanis. Not so much maybe a loan as maybe positioning Stanis as the past due collector. Remember the comments last episode from Queen of Thorns to Tywin about fearing the Iron Bank? If all was well between Tywin and the Iron Bank then why would there be any fear of them? Also- it would be one heck of a bank robbery to cross the sea, go into a foreign city, rob the bank, haul a significant sum of gold (heavy) out and back across the sea.... seems highly doubtful to me.

my thought as well. thinking of a deal where the iron bank finances their army to get repaid with a hefty sum once stannis is king both on that debt and the lannister debt. or maybe more of an "equity play" where the iron bank gets a piece of the kingdom as repayment.

I'd think it would have to be the latter. Given that the royal coffers are empty and wildly in debt with the bank in the first place, I'm not sure how a broke Stannis would be any more able to repay them after taking the kingdom than the current regime which at least has a rich family backing them up.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense except there was nothing at all alluded to about an land payoff. What is the price per acre in westeros these days anyways?

 

[The Ref]

Not sure, but isn't casterly (sp?) rock on a gold mine or something?

 

[biggamer3]

Serious question here. Since the internets have made a huge deal about the Jaime rape scene I have to ask why it's even a big deal? Why is "tv" or "movie" rape more horrifying than dismembered limbs and infants getting murdered? This world that the show is based on is seriously messed up in every sense, why are people upset that someone involved in an incestuous relationship would not take no for an answer?

 

[EYLive]

Serious question here. Since the internets have made a huge deal about the Jaime rape scene I have to ask why it's even a big deal? Why is "tv" or "movie" rape more horrifying than dismembered limbs and infants getting murdered? This world that the show is based on is seriously messed up in every sense, why are people upset that someone involved in an incestuous relationship would not take no for an answer?

Blouses cry about everything.

 

[skol asylum]

Serious question here. Since the internets have made a huge deal about the Jaime rape scene I have to ask why it's even a big deal? Why is "tv" or "movie" rape more horrifying than dismembered limbs and infants getting murdered? This world that the show is based on is seriously messed up in every sense, why are people upset that someone involved in an incestuous relationship would not take no for an answer?

Maybe because it was done right in front of their recently dead child's body? That to me was more twisted than any questions of rape.

 

[bostonfred]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

Also not a rape if you yell "SURPRISE!" at the end.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

GTFO - leave this thread immediately. Now.

There is no book.

This is just a TV show, written by tv writers, based on their own thoughts and ideas. Any similarities to any real book is coincidental and unintentional - any attempt to interject ideas born outside the show itself are punishable by death (or castration, or rape, or stabbing in the stomach, if you happen to pregnant.)

Next time use a ####### spoiler tag at least, before you bring up even the notion of a supposed "book"

TIA, now GTFO. Seriously. Tired of this #### by the same people.

:reported:

 

[Brady Marino]

In the book, Chuck Norris claims the Iron Throne from Steven Segal.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

It was dumb for the director to say that, whether he thought it to be or not. Should have taken the safe road and just said something like: sorry if if came off that way. it was not what we intended to depict, we realize now what difference a couple seconds or a couple words might have made, blah, blah. Especially with a hot button topic like this to begin with.

That said, the reason I roll my eyes a little at the outrage of the scene is because a lot of the articles that came out seemed like they were written before Sunday since a lot of critics get screeners (I have heard a couple say they had the first 3 episodes in advance) or at least were written before the director's comments came out. If that is the case I think a lot of it has to do with it being a character that we started to like and less to do with what was shown. I really don't think this would have been as big an issue in season one, or if it was a character like Ramsay. So it's not about the act, it's about who did it. Sure, Jamie has toned down since his hand got cut off and he is on the road and more helpless, but this is also a character who's moral compass allowed him to coldly push a child out a window and strangle his cousin not too long ago. Maybe being in King's Landing around his lovely family is messing with him a little too.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Yikes, somebody must've pissed in Sinn's Cheerios this morning.

 

[dutch]

Yikes, somebody must've pissed in Sinn's Cheerios this morning.

He has a difficult time taking no for an answer.

 

[jamny]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

It was dumb for the director to say that, whether he thought it to be or not. Should have taken the safe road and just said something like: sorry if if came off that way. it was not what we intended to depict, we realize now what difference a couple seconds or a couple words might have made, blah, blah. Especially with a hot button topic like this to begin with.

That said, the reason I roll my eyes a little at the outrage of the scene is because a lot of the articles that came out seemed like they were written before Sunday since a lot of critics get screeners (I have heard a couple say they had the first 3 episodes in advance) or at least were written before the director's comments came out. If that is the case I think a lot of it has to do with it being a character that we started to like and less to do with what was shown. I really don't think this would have been as big an issue in season one, or if it was a character like Ramsay. So it's not about the act, it's about who did it. Sure, Jamie has toned down since his hand got cut off and he is on the road and more helpless, but this is also a character who's moral compass allowed him to coldly push a child out a window and strangle his cousin not too long ago. Maybe being in King's Landing around his lovely family is messing with him a little too.

I agree that it has more to do with who Jamie is, or more accurately who he has become, in the viewers eyes. I don't get the outrage. Yeah, it was a crazy scene but just one of many on the show.

 

[biggamer3]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

It was dumb for the director to say that, whether he thought it to be or not. Should have taken the safe road and just said something like: sorry if if came off that way. it was not what we intended to depict, we realize now what difference a couple seconds or a couple words might have made, blah, blah. Especially with a hot button topic like this to begin with.

That said, the reason I roll my eyes a little at the outrage of the scene is because a lot of the articles that came out seemed like they were written before Sunday since a lot of critics get screeners (I have heard a couple say they had the first 3 episodes in advance) or at least were written before the director's comments came out. If that is the case I think a lot of it has to do with it being a character that we started to like and less to do with what was shown. I really don't think this would have been as big an issue in season one, or if it was a character like Ramsay. So it's not about the act, it's about who did it. Sure, Jamie has toned down since his hand got cut off and he is on the road and more helpless, but this is also a character who's moral compass allowed him to coldly push a child out a window and strangle his cousin not too long ago. Maybe being in King's Landing around his lovely family is messing with him a little too.

I agree that it has more to do with who Jamie is, or more accurately who he has become, in the viewers eyes. I don't get the outrage. Yeah, it was a crazy scene but just one of many on the show.

and people want explanations from the writers of that episode as if they are entitled to them. I seriously don't understand the uproar. Jaime is not the hero we all believed he transformed into over the last year, he is a baby pushing kingslayer, he is prone to the rape too! In this show, anything can go, the writers don't have to justify anything

 

[bostonfred]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

GTFO - leave this thread immediately. Now.There is no book.

This is just a TV show, written by tv writers, based on their own thoughts and ideas. Any similarities to any real book is coincidental and unintentional - any attempt to interject ideas born outside the show itself are punishable by death (or castration, or rape, or stabbing in the stomach, if you happen to pregnant.)

Next time use a ####### spoiler tag at least, before you bring up even the notion of a supposed "book"

TIA, now GTFO. Seriously. Tired of this #### by the same people.

:reported:

lol. I've never read the books. If a discussion of how "the show's version of the non consensual incest over their dead child's body seemed a little more rapey than the books" is a spoiler, then take heart in the fact that I don't have any idea exactly HOW rapey it is in the books, or what the distinction is in the level of rapiness. If there's any consequences that might occur due to the kind of rapey incest over their dead child's body that wouldn't have occurred if it was a little more rapey, or vice versa, then I don't know about it, and don't have the capacity to distinguish between those rapiness levels necessary to spoil it. You may now go back to enjoying the canonical, show-only version of a mother saying no while her brother penetrated her over their freshly dead evil son with the weird creepy things in his eyes. Which is creepy as hell and by all accounts almost exactly identical to the book version except for a distinction made by people discussing what kind of rape it was.

 

[Thunderlips]

Jamie gets a bad rap....and it's actually kind of cool that one of the Alpha Males of the realm (lots of money, good looking guy, supposedly(by his own words in the show) one of the top four fighters in the realm) really gets kind of #### on by Lords and commoners (when he's not around) for his role in the death of the Mad King.....despite it being the right decision.

 

[UniAlias]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

There are, in fact, books.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Jamie gets a bad rap....and it's actually kind of cool that one of the Alpha Males of the realm (lots of money, good looking guy, supposedly(by his own words in the show) one of the top four fighters in the realm) really gets kind of #### on by Lords and commoners (when he's not around) for his role in the death of the Mad King.....despite it being the right decision.

He was a member of the Kings Guard. They are sworn to protect the King until their own death. Killing the King is the most dishonorable thing that he could have done.

 

[Brady Marino]

There are, in fact, books.

***SPOILER ALERT***

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

In the book it wasn't a rape because Jamie yelled "SURPRISE!" first.

 

[The Noid]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

Has anyone posted the original script for the scene yet?

[Parody, no spoiler alert necessary]

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

Not sure how much can be answered without knowledge from those things with words, but I will answer #4. Renly was the 3rd brother - killed in Season 2 by the smoke thingy in the tent.

 

[Plorfu]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

Has anyone posted the original script for the scene yet?

[Parody, no spoiler alert necessary]

Rules.

 

[dparker713]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

Not sure how much can be answered without knowledge from those things with words, but I will answer #4. Renly was the 3rd brother - killed in Season 2 by the smoke thingy in the tent.

We know Dany was young when they fled. We also know that Cersei and Robert were married after the war, so add a couple of years onto however old you think Joffrey was, or take a few years off how old you think Dany is.

 

[bigbottom]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

Has anyone posted the original script for the scene yet?

[Parody, no spoiler alert necessary]

Nicely played.

 

[Thunderlips]

1) 8 Kingdoms.....7 are united, 1 is affiliated. (Tywin talks about it last week). The North, The Westerlands,The Reach, The Riverland, The Iron Islands, The Vale and The Stormlands. Dorne the affiliated one.

2) Osha didn't live South of The Wall. She got over/under/around it. She mentions that.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

1. Book

2. Yes

3.

Spoiler

In the book it looks like Robert ruled for about 15 years.

 

[Gr00vus]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

1. Book

2. Yes

3.

Spoiler

In the book it looks like Robert ruled for about 15 years.

No need for the spoiler in 3, I'm pretty sure in this most recent episode Tywin states Robert ruled for 17 years in his "what makes a good king" lesson at the beginning. So the king slaying was about 17 years prior to when the show started - which is like 18? 19? years prior to where they are now.

Apropos of nothing, I found it interesting that in Tywin's lesson to Tommen he never refers to Robert as Tommen's dad.

 

[Wingnut]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

Not sure how much can be answered without knowledge from those things with words, but I will answer #4. Renly was the 3rd brother - killed in Season 2 by the smoke thingy in the tent.

Yup, and then Jack and Sawyer spied on Kate (aka freckles) bathing in the lagoon.Crap, should I have put that in a spoiled tag for those who aren't caught up on Lost yet?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

Not sure how much can be answered without knowledge from those things with words, but I will answer #4. Renly was the 3rd brother - killed in Season 2 by the smoke thingy in the tent.

Yup, and then Jack and Sawyer spied on Kate (aka freckles) bathing in the lagoon.Crap, should I have put that in a spoiled tag for those who aren't caught up on Lost yet?

As long as you haven't read Lost, you're OK.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

Has anyone posted the original script for the scene yet?

[Parody, no spoiler alert necessary]

That is friggin spectacular.

 

[GregR]

Ok, still some lingering questions from a TV-only viewer too afraid to google anything because of potential spoilers:

• What are all 7 of the Kingdoms?
• The cannibal guy, Egret's posse, the fat guy getting all his daughter's pregnant, and Osha are ALL wildlings/wildling "tribes"? And they all come from north of the wall (but some, like Osha, are living south of it.
• About how long ago did the Kingslayer slay the king (Dany's dad), when the show first began and Robert was on the throne?
• Stanis is Robert's brother, but wasn't there a third brother?

Ned sired Jon Snow while out fighting the war, so basically Jon's age.

 

[Maelstrom]

The issue isn't that they showed a rape. That happens in movies all the time. The issue is this combination of things:

1) Jaime forced himself on her and she said no, but he kept going, and eventually she seemed ok with it

2) The executives suggested that they didn't turn the scene into a rape

3) The scene in the book supposedly wasn't as clearly a rape, so the producers made a conscious decision

4) This suggests that the producers don't think it's a rape if she says no as long as she says yes later.

That's a really dangerous thought if you're a woman - if a woman says no, repeatedly, it's ok to have sex with her as long as she eventually changes her mind.

GTFO - leave this thread immediately. Now.

There is no book.

This is just a TV show, written by tv writers, based on their own thoughts and ideas. Any similarities to any real book is coincidental and unintentional - any attempt to interject ideas born outside the show itself are punishable by death (or castration, or rape, or stabbing in the stomach, if you happen to pregnant.)

Next time use a ####### spoiler tag at least, before you bring up even the notion of a supposed "book"

TIA, now GTFO. Seriously. Tired of this #### by the same people.

:reported:

I really hope this is just board schtick. Otherwise, this is really dumb. It's not a spoiler to acknowledge there is source material call books. It's also very possible in reading information on the web to have picked up the #3 fact when reading about this scene and the controversy.

 

[timschochet]

There are, in fact, books.

Oh yeah? Well Joffrey is going to show you what to do with them!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVQKciZ2QBc

 

[dancer]

1) 8 Kingdoms.....7 are united, 1 is affiliated. (Tywin talks about it last week). The North, The Westerlands,The Reach, The Riverland, The Iron Islands, The Vale and The Stormlands. Dorne the affiliated one.

I don't believe the TV show ever specifies the 7 kingdoms, but the Riverlands are specifically mentioned as not one of the 7 kingdoms (Robert talked about "making the eight" meaning having one girl from each kingdom + the Riverlands).

 

[Thunderlips]

1) 8 Kingdoms.....7 are united, 1 is affiliated. (Tywin talks about it last week). The North, The Westerlands,The Reach, The Riverland, The Iron Islands, The Vale and The Stormlands. Dorne the affiliated one.

I don't believe the TV show ever specifies the 7 kingdoms, but the Riverlands are specifically mentioned as not one of the 7 kingdoms (Robert talked about "making the eight" meaning having one girl from each kingdom + the Riverlands).

Interesting....so what...is the Riverlands like "open territory"?

 

[Chadstroma]

1) 8 Kingdoms.....7 are united, 1 is affiliated. (Tywin talks about it last week). The North, The Westerlands,The Reach, The Riverland, The Iron Islands, The Vale and The Stormlands. Dorne the affiliated one.

I don't believe the TV show ever specifies the 7 kingdoms, but the Riverlands are specifically mentioned as not one of the 7 kingdoms (Robert talked about "making the eight" meaning having one girl from each kingdom + the Riverlands).

Robert also talks about ruling as the King 7 Kingdoms. I believe the qoute is something like "One King, Seven Kingdoms- I can't rule them if the Lannisters and Starks are at each others throats" I never counted the Kingdoms but always assumed Dorne was one of them.

 

[skol asylum]

Spoiler

The Seven Kingdoms is the name given to the realm that controls most of the continent of Westeros and numerous offshore islands, ruled by the King of the Andals and the First Men from the Red Keep in the city of King's Landing. Its name dates back to the time prior to the War of Conquest, during which seven independent kingdoms existed in the continent. The realm actually consists of nine distinct regions, the remaining two being formally established after the Conquest.

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History

See also War of Conquest

When Aegon the Conqueror embarked on the conquest of the continent from his seat on Dragonstone he had to contend with seven independent realms. These were:

Kingdom of the North, ruled by House Stark of Winterfell

Kingdom of the Mountain and the Vale, ruled by House Arryn of the Eyrie

Kingdom of the Isles and Rivers, ruled by House Hoare of castle Harrenhal. Formed when the Iron Islands conquered the Riverlands.

Kingdom of the Rock, ruled by House Lannister of Casterly Rock

Kingdom of the Stormlands, ruled by House Durrandon of Storm's End

Kingdom of the Reach, ruled by House Gardener of Highgarden

Dorne, ruled by House Martell of Sunspear.

With the aid of his dragons, Aegon managed to conquer all of the kingdoms, except Dorne, which would submit to the Iron Throne a century later. Houses Stark, Lannister and Arryn, which bent the knee to Aegon, were allowed to maintain their domains, no longer as Kings but as Lords Paramount of their respective regions - the North, the Westerlands and the Vale - and Wardens, subject to the authority of the King.

With House Hoare eliminated, the kingdom ruled by Harren the Black was divided, with the people of the Iron Islands choosing House Greyjoy as their rulers, the lands surrounding the Trident awarded to House Tully as Lords Paramount of the Riverlands, and the lords of the lands surrounding the new capital of King's Landing as direct vassals to the Iron Throne.

House Gardener was also obliterated when King Mern IX perished at the Field of Fire. Mern's steward, Harlen Tyrell, surrendered Highgarden and the Reach to the Targaryen conqueror and was thus appointed Lord of Highgarden and Warden of the South.

House Durrendon was extinguished in the male line when King Argilac was killed by Orys Baratheon in battle. As a reward for his loyalty, Orys was granted Argilac's domain, as well as his daughter. Thus House Baratheon, Lords Paramount of the Stormlands was created.

The only one of the Seven Kingdoms not conquered was Dorne in the far south, whose lords learned from the mistakes of the other kings and refused to meet Aegon and his dragons in open battle. Dorne retained their independence for almost two more centuries before joining the realm through a dual marriage with the Targaryens .

Despite civil wars, rebellions and the death of the last of the dragons, the Targaryens remained at the government of the Seven Kingdoms for over 280 years until the actions of the Mad King, Aerys II, triggered the civil war known as Robert's Rebellion. At the end of this civil war, Aerys II and most of his family were slain and his surviving children fled into exile in the Free Cities. Robert Baratheon took the throne ruled for seventeen years,[1] beginning a new dynasty whose rule is now challenged.

 

[dancer]

NetnautX, you might want to delete your post before everyone complains that you are posting backstory in the "no backstory" thread.

 

[Rick James]

if you guys don't want backstory answers you shouldn't ask backstory questions.

 

[KarmaPolice]

if you guys don't want backstory answers you shouldn't ask backstory questions.

even if they are backstory questions, only people with no knowledge of backstory are allowed to answer said questions.

 

[Thunderlips]

1) 8 Kingdoms.....7 are united, 1 is affiliated. (Tywin talks about it last week). The North, The Westerlands,The Reach, The Riverland, The Iron Islands, The Vale and The Stormlands. Dorne the affiliated one.

I don't believe the TV show ever specifies the 7 kingdoms, but the Riverlands are specifically mentioned as not one of the 7 kingdoms (Robert talked about "making the eight" meaning having one girl from each kingdom + the Riverlands).

Robert also talks about ruling as the King 7 Kingdoms. I believe the qoute is something like "One King, Seven Kingdoms- I can't rule them if the Lannisters and Starks are at each others throats" I never counted the Kingdoms but always assumed Dorne was one of them.

I thought that the Iron Islands were either part of the North or part of Riverrun.....just on the map they look too small to be a legit kingdom.

Wasn't Frey named the head of the Riverlands after the Red Wedding?

 

[dancer]

if you guys don't want backstory answers you shouldn't ask backstory questions.

In this thread, I interpret the question "what are the 7 kingdoms" as "based solely on what has been shown on TV, what do we know of the 7 kingdoms".

I think if you answer with info that comes from outside TV show in this thread it should be in a spoiler box.

 

[skol asylum]

Everything I posted came before the events of the tv show. Its just background and doesn't reveal anything.

 

[culdeus]

FWIW HBO put out a map with all this crap on it from the perspective of the screenplay, not the book.

 

[skol asylum]

I added the spoiler tags even though nothing was revealed.