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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (5 Viewers)

Super King said:
kentric said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Speaking of Maester Aemon, last episode Sam said he was sick and couldn't attend the meeting. Wonder what's going on there. Doesn't seem like something they'd do for no reason.
The dude is like 100 years old- I am thinking his time is coming.
Yeah, it won't be a surprise if he dies but there just seems to be more to it with Sam mentioning it 2 episodes ago. I'm not sure how much he knows about his families history after he left for the Wall but with the working theory here about Jon's parents, it should make for a good conversation between him and Jon before he goes.
Let's say we are right on our speculation about Job being Rhaegar's son..... how would Maester Aemon know anything about that? He was already in the Nightswatch well before those events took place.
No idea, just speculation. Just seems like there's a reason why Martin wrote in a Targaryan at the Wall. If he is dying, an answer might be coming soon.Hmmm, more crazy speculation. Last week I asked why the woman in the square that Varys and Tyrion watched was talking about the Lord of Light, but called the Mother of Dragons the savior. Now with Melisandre at the Wall... wouldn't Aemon have the blood of a king in him?
Wonder if he could get it up.
For dem jugs? Oh yea..
Dude is blind. For all he knows, she looks like Roose Bolton's wife.

 
Super King said:
kentric said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Speaking of Maester Aemon, last episode Sam said he was sick and couldn't attend the meeting. Wonder what's going on there. Doesn't seem like something they'd do for no reason.
The dude is like 100 years old- I am thinking his time is coming.
Yeah, it won't be a surprise if he dies but there just seems to be more to it with Sam mentioning it 2 episodes ago. I'm not sure how much he knows about his families history after he left for the Wall but with the working theory here about Jon's parents, it should make for a good conversation between him and Jon before he goes.
Let's say we are right on our speculation about Job being Rhaegar's son..... how would Maester Aemon know anything about that? He was already in the Nightswatch well before those events took place.
No idea, just speculation. Just seems like there's a reason why Martin wrote in a Targaryan at the Wall. If he is dying, an answer might be coming soon.Hmmm, more crazy speculation. Last week I asked why the woman in the square that Varys and Tyrion watched was talking about the Lord of Light, but called the Mother of Dragons the savior. Now with Melisandre at the Wall... wouldn't Aemon have the blood of a king in him?
Wonder if he could get it up.
For dem jugs? Oh yea..
Dude is blind. For all he knows, she looks like Roose Bolton's wife.
http://i.imgur.com/RzNhc6D.gif
 
Chadstroma said:
Here I thought we were the smart ones to come up with this theory and apparently we are the slow ones that just stumbled on it while the rest of the world already was on top of that theory. :kicksrock:
Certain people have been discussing this theory for years :D

 
The only possible role the white walkers could have is to mindlessly invade the south. They cant really show them doing anything else until the plot is ready for them to begin their invasion. What are people expecting to see in the interim?

 
The only possible role the white walkers could have is to mindlessly invade the south. They cant really show them doing anything else until the plot is ready for them to begin their invasion. What are people expecting to see in the interim?
Well it's a time situation. If the WW are coming it changes the trajectory of the Winterfell invasion. You don't want to be attacking bolton with the walkers on your ###.

 
Chadstroma said:
Here I thought we were the smart ones to come up with this theory and apparently we are the slow ones that just stumbled on it while the rest of the world already was on top of that theory. :kicksrock:
Certain people have been discussing this theory for years :D
I know not of what you speak of. I don't read. In fact, I didn't read what you just wrote.

 
larch said:
Who is Rhaegar Targaryen?

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/most-important-game-thrones-character-youve-never-seen-164321262.html

Daenerys Targaryen. Jon Snow. Tyrion Lannister. You can probably name a dozen or so major players on Game of Thrones and give a detailed history for each. However, there's one crucial figure in Westeros you might not know much about, but who might end up being one of the most important players of all: Rhaegar Targaryen.

References to Rhaegar have been sprinkled throughout Game of Thrones' five seasons, but Sunday's episode spent a curious amount of time discussing a character who died over a decade ago. And since showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have been ruthlessly trimming the fat in consolidating George R.R. Martin's books, we don't believe they would devote so much air time to Rhaegar without a reason.

So who is he exactly?

Rhaegar was the son and heir of King Aerys II, better known as The Mad King, and the older brother of Viserys and Daenerys (Emilia Clarke), who was born after Rhaegar's death. He was popular, intelligent, bookish and a noted musician. Tywin Lannister had planned to marry Cersei to Rhaegar. However, Aerys shot down the idea as being beneath his son. Instead, Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, Oberyn and Prince Doran's sister. Elia loved her husband and she had two children with Rhaegar, a daughter, Rhaenys, and son, Aegon.

However, as Littlefinger briefly explained to Sansa in Sunday's episode, when Rhaegar won a tourney at the cursed Harrenhal, he passed over his wife Elia and crowned Ned Stark's sister Lyanna as The Queen of Love and Beauty. A year later, Rhaegar allegedly abducted Lyanna, an act which ultimately triggered Robert Baratheon's rebellion. But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually.

As the rebellion against House Targaryen gained steam, Rhaegar and Robert met in combat during the Battle of the Trident and Robert killed the beloved prince. It was the result of this battle that inspired Tywin, who had until then remained neutral, to launch the Sack of King's Landing. During this siege, Jaime Lannister slit Aerys' throat, becoming the Kingslayer, and the Mountain, under Twyin's orders, brutally murdered Rhaenys and Aegon before raping and killing Elia too.

In other words: Rhaegar was the match that burned down all of Westeros. He was the catalyst to the Targaryen downfall, to the bad blood between Dorne and the Lannisters, to Robert Baratheon's rise to king, to Daenerys' exile and to all the deaths that have occurred as a result. But the most important thing Rhaegar did remains to be confirmed.

If you ask most Game of Thrones fans who Jon Snow's (Kit Harrington) father is, few will say Ned Stark. That's because, as Stannis blatantly pointed out on Sunday, cheating on Catelyn with a tavern ###### doesn't exactly fit with Ned's code of honor. So, who are Jon Snow's parents? The most popular theory is that he's the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. A huge clue in support of the theory, known as R+L=J, is that when Ned discovered Lyanna during the Sack of King's Landing, she entrusted her brother with a secret promise shortly before dying. It's highly likely this promise was for Ned to keep Lyanna's son with Rhaegar safe from Robert's quest to kill every Targaryen. And what better way to do that than taking the infant in as one's own ******* son?

If R+L=J is true, Game of Thrones could be paving the way for Jon to wind up on the Iron Throne, or at least play a very key role in the crowning of whomever does wind up ruling. When Daenerys visited the House of the Dying, she witnessed a vision of Rhaegar telling Elia that he believes their son, Aegon, is "the prince that was promised" and that they must have more children since "the dragon has three heads."

However, prophecies are not an exact science, so it's possible the identity of the prophesied prince could be Daenerys or Jon, (who would be Dany's nephew if R+L=J is true). If the prince was Jon, that would also explain Melissandre's growing interest in him, since the promised prince prophecy seems to be closely tied with Azor Ahai. Either way, it's highly likely Jon is the second of the three dragon heads Dany has been searching for.

So what do you think: Is Jon Snow Rhaegar and Lyanna's son? Is he destined to sit on the Iron Throne?
Does the internet exist in this thread?

 
The WW aren't very interesting. They are a threat. We know they exist, but there isn't anything interesting about them. I think the show has handled them well.

 
Also, didn't read all of this, but how can anyone trust Dario? The show has proven that nobody is what they seem, why should we trust some sell swords blind devotion?

 
larch said:
Who is Rhaegar Targaryen?

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/most-important-game-thrones-character-youve-never-seen-164321262.html

Daenerys Targaryen. Jon Snow. Tyrion Lannister. You can probably name a dozen or so major players on Game of Thrones and give a detailed history for each. However, there's one crucial figure in Westeros you might not know much about, but who might end up being one of the most important players of all: Rhaegar Targaryen.

References to Rhaegar have been sprinkled throughout Game of Thrones' five seasons, but Sunday's episode spent a curious amount of time discussing a character who died over a decade ago. And since showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have been ruthlessly trimming the fat in consolidating George R.R. Martin's books, we don't believe they would devote so much air time to Rhaegar without a reason.

So who is he exactly?

Rhaegar was the son and heir of King Aerys II, better known as The Mad King, and the older brother of Viserys and Daenerys (Emilia Clarke), who was born after Rhaegar's death. He was popular, intelligent, bookish and a noted musician. Tywin Lannister had planned to marry Cersei to Rhaegar. However, Aerys shot down the idea as being beneath his son. Instead, Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell, Oberyn and Prince Doran's sister. Elia loved her husband and she had two children with Rhaegar, a daughter, Rhaenys, and son, Aegon.

However, as Littlefinger briefly explained to Sansa in Sunday's episode, when Rhaegar won a tourney at the cursed Harrenhal, he passed over his wife Elia and crowned Ned Stark's sister Lyanna as The Queen of Love and Beauty. A year later, Rhaegar allegedly abducted Lyanna, an act which ultimately triggered Robert Baratheon's rebellion. But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually.

As the rebellion against House Targaryen gained steam, Rhaegar and Robert met in combat during the Battle of the Trident and Robert killed the beloved prince. It was the result of this battle that inspired Tywin, who had until then remained neutral, to launch the Sack of King's Landing. During this siege, Jaime Lannister slit Aerys' throat, becoming the Kingslayer, and the Mountain, under Twyin's orders, brutally murdered Rhaenys and Aegon before raping and killing Elia too.

In other words: Rhaegar was the match that burned down all of Westeros. He was the catalyst to the Targaryen downfall, to the bad blood between Dorne and the Lannisters, to Robert Baratheon's rise to king, to Daenerys' exile and to all the deaths that have occurred as a result. But the most important thing Rhaegar did remains to be confirmed.

If you ask most Game of Thrones fans who Jon Snow's (Kit Harrington) father is, few will say Ned Stark. That's because, as Stannis blatantly pointed out on Sunday, cheating on Catelyn with a tavern ###### doesn't exactly fit with Ned's code of honor. So, who are Jon Snow's parents? The most popular theory is that he's the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. A huge clue in support of the theory, known as R+L=J, is that when Ned discovered Lyanna during the Sack of King's Landing, she entrusted her brother with a secret promise shortly before dying. It's highly likely this promise was for Ned to keep Lyanna's son with Rhaegar safe from Robert's quest to kill every Targaryen. And what better way to do that than taking the infant in as one's own ******* son?

If R+L=J is true, Game of Thrones could be paving the way for Jon to wind up on the Iron Throne, or at least play a very key role in the crowning of whomever does wind up ruling. When Daenerys visited the House of the Dying, she witnessed a vision of Rhaegar telling Elia that he believes their son, Aegon, is "the prince that was promised" and that they must have more children since "the dragon has three heads."

However, prophecies are not an exact science, so it's possible the identity of the prophesied prince could be Daenerys or Jon, (who would be Dany's nephew if R+L=J is true). If the prince was Jon, that would also explain Melissandre's growing interest in him, since the promised prince prophecy seems to be closely tied with Azor Ahai. Either way, it's highly likely Jon is the second of the three dragon heads Dany has been searching for.

So what do you think: Is Jon Snow Rhaegar and Lyanna's son? Is he destined to sit on the Iron Throne?
Does the internet exist in this thread?I don't understand the rules.

 
Natalie Dormer has pancake ####.
My wife can't remember any of the character names, save for a few (Tyrion, Jamie, Cersei, Jon Snow, Khaleesi) so I have to use nicknames when I talk about the show so she knows who I'm talking about. Maergery is "Queen Disappointingtits."

 
Game of Thrones Management Quiz

You are Jaime Lannister. You are arrogant and aloof, and you possess a cutting wit. While you prefer to focus on your own contributions rather than lead, you step up when the situation calls for it and have your own unique code of honor that sometimes deprives you of companywide respect and praise.
They nailed it:

Tyrion Lannister


You are Tyrion Lannister. You are strategic, knowledgeable and gregarious. You’re the boss everyone wants to report to since you’re always expensing catered lunches and after-work drinks. You’re also fair and compassionate. Your fresh perspective often goes against the grain, which doesn’t always win the respect of your peers or bosses at more traditional companies.
:bowtie:

 
I read a great synopsis of Rhaegar on TVGuides website and it mentioned the whole history and the R+L=J theory and didnt contain any spoilers. If you are so inclinedhttp://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-rhaegar-targaryen/
Not getting the part about Dany searching for the 3 heads of the dragon, and J being the 2nd?
If the theory proves correct JSnow has Targ blood in him hence the 2nd head/dragon.
I guess they just mean the live 'heads'...Jons theoretical dead bro and sis don't count? I thought Rhaegar was referring to having 3 kids in the dream.

 
Interesting takeaway from that Yahoo/TVGuide article. Not sure if it's a spoiler but I'll tag it anyway

"But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually" Was that something that was mentioned on the show? That makes a big difference in the series of events that followed if true.
 
Interesting takeaway from that Yahoo/TVGuide article. Not sure if it's a spoiler but I'll tag it anyway

"But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually" Was that something that was mentioned on the show? That makes a big difference in the series of events that followed if true.
No that has not been mentioned in the show.

 
Interesting takeaway from that Yahoo/TVGuide article. Not sure if it's a spoiler but I'll tag it anyway

"But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually" Was that something that was mentioned on the show? That makes a big difference in the series of events that followed if true.
Littlefinger gave Sansa a smirk/look when she mentioned her take on the events as though to say "You know nothing, Sansa Stark"

 
Interesting takeaway from that Yahoo/TVGuide article. Not sure if it's a spoiler but I'll tag it anyway

"But though the Starks and Baratheons view Rhaegar's actions as a violent kidnapping, according to Targaryen lore, Lyanna loved Rhaegar back and went with him consensually" Was that something that was mentioned on the show? That makes a big difference in the series of events that followed if true.
Littlefinger gave Sansa a smirk/look when she mentioned her take on the events as though to say "You know nothing, Sansa Stark"
Definitely something to keep in mind as the show moves along.

 
I have my doubts that the dude they are showing is really the High Sparrow. Cersei just believed it was him right away. Maybe he's just a puppet and someone else is pulling the strings. He seems too mellow and they are so vicious and organized. Her nephew (Lancel?) is part of them now. If I had to take a guess, I'm keeping my eye on Uncle Kevan. I'm gonna have to go back a record the episode where she first saw Lancel again and Kevan told Cersei about the group.

 
I have my doubts that the dude they are showing is really the High Sparrow. Cersei just believed it was him right away. Maybe he's just a puppet and someone else is pulling the strings. He seems too mellow and they are so vicious and organized. Her nephew (Lancel?) is part of them now. If I had to take a guess, I'm keeping my eye on Uncle Kevan. I'm gonna have to go back a record the episode where she first saw Lancel again and Kevan told Cersei about the group.
I'm going to play the Law and Order card here- he's a big-name actor (relative to the show) so he MUST be the guy.

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.
IT's probably the biggest internet meme to come out of the show.

https://www.google.com/search?q=you+know+nothing+meme&espv=2&biw=1075&bih=629&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DtpMVYWxBJevoQSOwoCwDA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

 
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So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.
IT's probably the biggest internet meme to come out of the show.

https://www.google.com/search?q=you+know+nothing+meme&espv=2&biw=1075&bih=629&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DtpMVYWxBJevoQSOwoCwDA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
One of those said "Knows nothing..... get's the hottest girl on the show"

Who in the heck thinks she is the hottest girl on the show?!

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
She knows stuff.

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.
IT's probably the biggest internet meme to come out of the show.

https://www.google.com/search?q=you+know+nothing+meme&espv=2&biw=1075&bih=629&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DtpMVYWxBJevoQSOwoCwDA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
wow- that's stupid.

 
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.
IT's probably the biggest internet meme to come out of the show.

https://www.google.com/search?q=you+know+nothing+meme&espv=2&biw=1075&bih=629&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=DtpMVYWxBJevoQSOwoCwDA&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
wow- that's stupid.
Well, you know nothing, El Floppo

 
El Floppo said:
jamny said:
I have my doubts that the dude they are showing is really the High Sparrow. Cersei just believed it was him right away. Maybe he's just a puppet and someone else is pulling the strings. He seems too mellow and they are so vicious and organized. Her nephew (Lancel?) is part of them now. If I had to take a guess, I'm keeping my eye on Uncle Kevan. I'm gonna have to go back a record the episode where she first saw Lancel again and Kevan told Cersei about the group.
I'm going to play the Law and Order card here- he's a big-name actor (relative to the show) so he MUST be the guy.
I said this a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure this plan goes as Cersei wants...her nephew brought up Robert and his hunting accident and his relations with Cersei for a reason.

 
El Floppo said:
jamny said:
I have my doubts that the dude they are showing is really the High Sparrow. Cersei just believed it was him right away. Maybe he's just a puppet and someone else is pulling the strings. He seems too mellow and they are so vicious and organized. Her nephew (Lancel?) is part of them now. If I had to take a guess, I'm keeping my eye on Uncle Kevan. I'm gonna have to go back a record the episode where she first saw Lancel again and Kevan told Cersei about the group.
I'm going to play the Law and Order card here- he's a big-name actor (relative to the show) so he MUST be the guy.
I said this a few weeks ago, but I'm not sure this plan goes as Cersei wants...her nephew brought up Robert and his hunting accident and his relations with Cersei for a reason.
Oooh, yeah. He might feel like he has to repent.

 
Mile High said:
jamny said:
Scoresman said:
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
She knows stuff.
I've heard she's a book reader.

 
El Floppo said:
jamny said:
Scoresman said:
So wait a second, is the fire witch lady just a disguise for the firecrotch girl Jon was ####### two seasons ago? How else did she know to say "You know nothing, Jon Snow"? Is she a faceless man (woman)?
I was wondering that too but will just assume she has some power to know that. Could be more to it. Loved the look on his face when she said it.
I completely missed that- no memory of wild-red even saying that.
LMFAO

 

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