Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

[KarmaPolice]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

I agree that is their intent. The debate is if/why it had to be Sansa's rape, and why they chose that route again.

One of them mentioned that this scene was planned after season 2. Some mentioned they were more doubly mad because after last year's uproar and seeming to not have the ability/desire to handle the topic well, they still went there yet again. Just thought they had valid points, and hadn't thought of in that light.

 

[Weeber]

Senator Claire McCaskill (D-Missouri) has tweeted that she is done with the show because of the last episode.

This has become as entertaining as the show.

Honestly, this I expected.What I was interested in was the same reaction from the podcasts I check out and writers that I read during the week. These are people who contribute to sites like Tower of the Hand and other GoT stuff, and both men and women. When I started seeing/hearing they were pissed and not wanting to cover the show anymore I was really interested in what their reasons were.

Is that because of the scene or because it is different from the things that don't exist.

Yes.My post a few above were not my rambles, but the points they were making as to why they were pissed. Also combination of where the show is going in general. I expected some PR grandstanding from people, but thought since a lot of ire is coming from people who love this and do it for a living it warranted at least an honest look.

Can we ban this white knight from this thread?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also, I think people that are THAT into GoT are going to be partakers of the things that don't exist.

I find people who read any book involved with any movie will almost ALWAYS be critical of the movie in usually extreme ways. More so the more they love the books.

But then you have the politically motivated people who are just plain silly to try to take fiction and cry about it for whatever reason. I say the same of people I politically agree with when they cry about other stuff that is make believe (as long as directed to adults).

All along they have been pretty critical of how show handles the sex/violence, especially when they are adding pointless scenes not from the book that are there just because they can on HBO and have zip to do with character/story.

However, overall through the first 4 seasons they are positive about other stuff that was show only. There were great additions from what I remember. This season has really eroded that trust, and just about all the extra has been crap I guess.

 

[KarmaPolice]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Wtf did Rickon get shipped off to again?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

 

[El Floppo]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Wtf did Rickon get shipped off to again?

hodor

 

[KarmaPolice]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Wtf did Rickon get shipped off to again?

hodor

Great, another rape scene to argue about.

 

[Chadstroma]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.

It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Sure, I am saying that as much as the story that is being told that this event is not as much about her in terms of driving the story forward. Maybe it is... maybe not... I don't know because I am not the story teller and the story is paused at that event at the moment.

I think you can project forward pretty clearly with the clues we have that this will alter Theon/Reeks story to a significant degree.

 

[Chadstroma]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

I agree that is their intent. The debate is if/why it had to be Sansa's rape, and why they chose that route again.

One of them mentioned that this scene was planned after season 2. Some mentioned they were more doubly mad because after last year's uproar and seeming to not have the ability/desire to handle the topic well, they still went there yet again. Just thought they had valid points, and hadn't thought of in that light.

It does not seem out of place. So, why not?

It is a story. NOT a topical discussion on political/social issues. Get the freaking PC police out of my freaking stories!

 

[El Floppo]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.

It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Sure, I am saying that as much as the story that is being told that this event is not as much about her in terms of driving the story forward. Maybe it is... maybe not... I don't know because I am not the story teller and the story is paused at that event at the moment.

I think you can project forward pretty clearly with the clues we have that this will alter Theon/Reeks story to a significant degree.

gotcha- misread you op a bit.

but I'd prefer if we argued about it for a bit, ok?

Sansa is definitely going to change with this info. duh. wtf are you thinking. your turn- go.

 

[Chadstroma]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

There is? THANK THE SEVEN GODS, THE DROWNED GOD, THE MANY FACED GOD and THE GOD OF LIGHT!!!!

 

[Chadstroma]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.

It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Sure, I am saying that as much as the story that is being told that this event is not as much about her in terms of driving the story forward. Maybe it is... maybe not... I don't know because I am not the story teller and the story is paused at that event at the moment.

I think you can project forward pretty clearly with the clues we have that this will alter Theon/Reeks story to a significant degree.

gotcha- misread you op a bit.

but I'd prefer if we argued about it for a bit, ok?

Sansa is definitely going to change with this info. duh. wtf are you thinking. your turn- go.

I think I agree that it will change her (how could it not) but in what way..... dunno.

Your turn- go.

 

[El Floppo]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.

It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Sure, I am saying that as much as the story that is being told that this event is not as much about her in terms of driving the story forward. Maybe it is... maybe not... I don't know because I am not the story teller and the story is paused at that event at the moment.

I think you can project forward pretty clearly with the clues we have that this will alter Theon/Reeks story to a significant degree.

gotcha- misread you op a bit.

but I'd prefer if we argued about it for a bit, ok?

Sansa is definitely going to change with this info. duh. wtf are you thinking. your turn- go.

I think I agree that it will change her (how could it not) but in what way..... dunno.

Your turn- go.

meh.

RAPE!

 

[Chadstroma]

- her trauma is turned into Reek's trauma. The scene is shot in a way that has barely anything to do with her, and all about how poor Reek is reacting to this playing out in front of him.

I think that is the point.

It is a story and I am expecting the story that they are telling will have something change with Reek. To go from refusing to leave with his sister when she attempted to save him or not doing anything when he heard Rob was killed to all of a sudden doing something.... you need an equally tramatic event to snap him out of it.

I am not sure what this event will do for Sansa as far as 'her story' but I am confident I am right in the above for Reek/Theon's story.

IIRC, she doesn't know that she has any siblings or family left. finding out that both of her younger brothers are alive would do something for her story, I'd guess.

Sure, I am saying that as much as the story that is being told that this event is not as much about her in terms of driving the story forward. Maybe it is... maybe not... I don't know because I am not the story teller and the story is paused at that event at the moment.

I think you can project forward pretty clearly with the clues we have that this will alter Theon/Reeks story to a significant degree.

gotcha- misread you op a bit.

but I'd prefer if we argued about it for a bit, ok?

Sansa is definitely going to change with this info. duh. wtf are you thinking. your turn- go.

I think I agree that it will change her (how could it not) but in what way..... dunno.

Your turn- go.

meh.

RAPE!

 

[IrishTwinkie]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

There is? THANK THE SEVEN GODS, THE DROWNED GOD, THE MANY FACED GOD and THE GOD OF LIGHT!!!!

You forgot the Old Gods...

 

[Chadstroma]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

There is? THANK THE SEVEN GODS, THE DROWNED GOD, THE MANY FACED GOD and THE GOD OF LIGHT!!!!

You forgot the Old Gods...

Dammit.

Going to have to find a tree with a face on it and apologize now.

 

[Spin]

Also, I think people that are THAT into GoT are going to be partakers of the things that don't exist.

I find people who read any book involved with any movie will almost ALWAYS be critical of the movie in usually extreme ways. More so the more they love the books.

But then you have the politically motivated people who are just plain silly to try to take fiction and cry about it for whatever reason. I say the same of people I politically agree with when they cry about other stuff that is make believe (as long as directed to adults).

All along they have been pretty critical of how show handles the sex/violence, especially when they are adding pointless scenes not from the book that are there just because they can on HBO and have zip to do with character/story.However, overall through the first 4 seasons they are positive about other stuff that was show only. There were great additions from what I remember. This season has really eroded that trust, and just about all the extra has been crap I guess.

Why do people keep saying this? This scene absolutely was in the book, but a different character was involved. The show has had different characters continue with other's story arcs in order to not introduce a lot of characters that are/were seemingly not important.

I have not read the books, but know quite a few people that have, and from what I understand is if HBO showed it the way it was written in the book it would have been much, much worse. And Sansa is playing the role here for Jeyne Pool who apparently goes through some terrible terrible stuff.

Spoiler

From an article online describing the scene:

Before Jeyne/Arya can marry Ramsay in front of the Northern lords at the ruins of Winterfell, she makes a final plea to Reek, who she recognises as Theon, to take her away from Ramsay. Reek tells her to please her new lord and husband and so Jeyne goes through with the deception and says her vows. Jeyne is then humiliated on her wedding night as Ramsay has Reek cut all her clothes from her and orally assault her before Ramsay himself beds her. During this chapter we find out that Jeyne’s back is marked by whipping scars and she says herself that she has been ‘trained’, confirmation that Littlefinger did put her to work back in King’s Landing.

Apparently it also involved a dog too.

Imagine if they had played that storyline out on TV. This wasn't HBO doing things just to try to shock and awe, or adding pointless scenes that have no impact on the show, this was what GRRM had written.

 

[CBusAlex]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

There is? THANK THE SEVEN GODS, THE DROWNED GOD, THE MANY FACED GOD and THE GOD OF LIGHT!!!!

There is only one god...

 

[Chadstroma]

I think you have three critics to this whole thing.

1) The PC police. Rape is bad and so they are outraged by it. Apparently forgetting that this is fiction and not glorifying the act fiction either.

2) Readers of something that does not exist. They freak out about anything that is different from the book. The more different the more they freak out.

3) Story critics. Those who think this is a bad choice for the story. Apparently forgetting that they have no idea how this plays out unless they have watched bootlegged shows ahead of time.

Or some mix of the above. '

Basically, if you are #1... please go protest something on some corner and leave us well adjusted adults alone. If you are #2, stop watching the show and re-read things that don't exist. If you are #3, shut up and watch to see what happens.

Ok- I think the subject is officially closed.

You are welcome.

 

[Spin]

I think you have three critics to this whole thing.

1) The PC police. Rape is bad and so they are outraged by it. Apparently forgetting that this is fiction and not glorifying the act fiction either.

2) Readers of something that does not exist. They freak out about anything that is different from the book. The more different the more they freak out.

3) Story critics. Those who think this is a bad choice for the story. Apparently forgetting that they have no idea how this plays out unless they have watched bootlegged shows ahead of time.

Or some mix of the above. '

Basically, if you are #1... please go protest something on some corner and leave us well adjusted adults alone. If you are #2, stop watching the show and re-read things that don't exist. If you are #3, shut up and watch to see what happens.

Ok- I think the subject is officially close.

You are welcome.

 

[Chadstroma]

Good thing there is a new episode this weekend!!! Thought they usually skipped Memorial weekend.

There is? THANK THE SEVEN GODS, THE DROWNED GOD, THE MANY FACED GOD and THE GOD OF LIGHT!!!!

There is only one god...

I pick Melisandre telling me this.... as long as she does not tie me up.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also, I think people that are THAT into GoT are going to be partakers of the things that don't exist.

I find people who read any book involved with any movie will almost ALWAYS be critical of the movie in usually extreme ways. More so the more they love the books.

But then you have the politically motivated people who are just plain silly to try to take fiction and cry about it for whatever reason. I say the same of people I politically agree with when they cry about other stuff that is make believe (as long as directed to adults).

All along they have been pretty critical of how show handles the sex/violence, especially when they are adding pointless scenes not from the book that are there just because they can on HBO and have zip to do with character/story.However, overall through the first 4 seasons they are positive about other stuff that was show only. There were great additions from what I remember. This season has really eroded that trust, and just about all the extra has been crap I guess.

Why do people keep saying this? This scene absolutely was in the book, but a different character was involved. The show has had different characters continue with other's story arcs in order to not introduce a lot of characters that are/were seemingly not important.

I have not read the books, but know quite a few people that have, and from what I understand is if HBO showed it the way it was written in the book it would have been much, much worse. And Sansa is playing the role here for Jeyne Pool who apparently goes through some terrible terrible stuff.

Spoiler

From an article online describing the scene:

Before Jeyne/Arya can marry Ramsay in front of the Northern lords at the ruins of Winterfell, she makes a final plea to Reek, who she recognises as Theon, to take her away from Ramsay. Reek tells her to please her new lord and husband and so Jeyne goes through with the deception and says her vows. Jeyne is then humiliated on her wedding night as Ramsay has Reek cut all her clothes from her and orally assault her before Ramsay himself beds her. During this chapter we find out that Jeynes back is marked by whipping scars and she says herself that she has been trained, confirmation that Littlefinger did put her to work back in Kings Landing.

Apparently it also involved a dog too.

Imagine if they had played that storyline out on TV. This wasn't HBO doing things just to try to shock and awe, or adding pointless scenes that have no impact on the show, this was what GRRM had written.

They addressed that, and said it being a completely different character makes all the difference. That character was completely complacent, etc. LF breaking her down before, etc Just replacing one character for the other makes zero sense if they are different characters, back stories, motivations.

Maybe it will be addressed, but there wasn't much point to building up black dress Sansa who is playing the game just to resort to her taking the place of the other different character this episode.

Whatever, these weren't even my arguments, I just find the discussion interesting.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think you have three critics to this whole thing.

1) The PC police. Rape is bad and so they are outraged by it. Apparently forgetting that this is fiction and not glorifying the act fiction either.

2) Readers of something that does not exist. They freak out about anything that is different from the book. The more different the more they freak out.

3) Story critics. Those who think this is a bad choice for the story. Apparently forgetting that they have no idea how this plays out unless they have watched bootlegged shows ahead of time.

Or some mix of the above. '

Basically, if you are #1... please go protest something on some corner and leave us well adjusted adults alone. If you are #2, stop watching the show and re-read things that don't exist. If you are #3, shut up and watch to see what happens.

Ok- I think the subject is officially closed.

You are welcome.

 

[Christo]

Holy hell, are you people still discussing this?

 

[Gr00vus]

Holy hell, are you people still discussing this?

The thread is dark and full of redundancy.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I'm not sure who got raped worse, a fictional TV character or me for reading through the last 5 pages

 

[KarmaPolice]

I'm not sure who got raped worse, a fictional TV character or me for reading through the last 5 pages

Well, unlike Sansa, nobody forced you to do that.

 

[Weeber]

If it was boy on boy rape would anyone care?

 

[Chadstroma]

Holy hell, are you people still discussing this?

The thread is dark and full of redundancy.

I see what you did there.

 

[shuke]

Of all the horrible TV threads around here, you guys are managing to make this the worst. ####.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Maybe Sansa should have never tipped off Cersei that they were leaving kings landing.

 

[bostonfred]

Of all the horrible TV threads around here, you guys are managing to make this the worst. ####.

be quiet please book reader

 

[bostonfred]

I forgot about that. GB shick.

 

[El Floppo]

Of all the horrible TV threads around here, you guys are managing to make this the worst. ####.

shut it... you're interrupting days and days of very important rape talk.

 

[Sabertooth]

Karma Police must just hate himself for being a white male.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Odds on who gets raped this week?

Lancel, 100 to 1.

 

[otello]

I get that conversation in regards to Tyrion not forcing his dwarf sized #### unto her

Apparently it isn't dwarf sized....he has to go to a #### merchant.

that could be gold for a ff team name.

 

[The Ref]

Odds on who gets raped this week?

Lancel, 100 to 1.

Sir Loris?

 

[Super King]

Odds on who gets raped this week?

Lancel, 100 to 1.

Sir Loris?

Can't rape the willing... :cleftbutthole:

 

[Sabertooth]

Maybe Sansa should have never tipped off Cersei that they were leaving kings landing.

Exactly. She destroyed her house with the move. She's paying her price now but she wrecked her mom, dad, and brothers and sisters with that little faux pas. She should have listened to Jimmy "never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut."

 

[KarmaPolice]

Karma Police must just hate himself for being a white male.

Nah, just trying to understand other POVs.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Maybe Sansa should have never tipped off Cersei that they were leaving kings landing.

You talking back in season 1 when she was upset Ned was taking her and Arya back home?

 

[Christo]

Karma Police must just hate himself for being a white male.

Nah, just trying to understand other POVs.

Do you mean the POV that gets upset about what is essentially a period piece reflecting a period of time where men owned women and did with them as they pleased?

 

[Christo]

She didn't like him. It was their wedding day. Did they expect a loving coupling?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Karma Police must just hate himself for being a white male.

Nah, just trying to understand other POVs.

Do you mean the POV that gets upset about what is essentially a period piece reflecting a period of time where men owned women and did with them as they pleased?

I get that is your and many other's opinion on that POV. I thought there was more to it and was interested in the debate. Don't think it was that simplistic, but carry on.

How about this - I will try to bring more comments on ginger minges, dwarf cocks, and pancake ####### to the discussion this week.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I stopped reading six pages ago because I didn't feel like discussing rape, so I jumped forward to the last page . . . to see that we're still discussing rape.

Oh well, if you can't beat 'em . . .

Obviously Ramsay was going to rape Sansa and be even more horrible about it than most rapists are. Anything else would have been out of character.

The rape had to happen. Should it have happened off-screen?

Why? To protect people's delicate sensibilities? Hmm, yeah, okay, I can see an argument for that, actually. For any women who've actually had any kind of rapey experiences, it's probably pretty terrible to watch something that brings back the memories. Maybe it wouldn't have been quite so bad off-screen.

There's more merit to that argument than I expected when I started typing that last paragraph.

But for the rest of us, the fact that the rape scene was so emotionally distressing means that it was not gratuitous. We already hated Ramsay and we already felt for Sansa, but not this much! The scene succeeded in intensifying our feelings about those characters, which makes us care more about the story, which is kind of the whole point of storytelling, I think.

There is a point where a character like Ramsay can do so many terrible things, one after the other, that we get emotionally desensitized to it; it becomes old hat; our reaction is dulled. At that point, it's gratuitous. But we weren't there yet before that scene. JMHO.

 

[Brady Marino]

I don't think there's been one happy post-wedding "consummation" this series except for Tommen/Margaery, and that came and went rather quickly (pun intended).

1. Red Wedding sure didn't end well for the Stark guy.

2. Tyrion/Sansa was uneventful except for one of the best lines of the series ("And so my watch begins..." -Tyrion)

3. Joffrey/Margaery never got to happen because Joffrey drank some killer purple drank.

4. Drogo/Dany was disturbing.

5. Ramsey/Sansa was even more disturbing than Drogo/Dany.

Not counting Robb/Valyrian chick because there wasn't a real "wedding" there.

 

[Brady Marino]

I don't think there's been one happy post-wedding "consummation" this series except for Tommen/Margaery, and that was passed over as if nothing happened. Red Wedding sure didn't end well for the Stark guy, Tyrion/Sansa was uneventful except for one of the best lines of the series ("And so my watch begins..." -Tyrion). Joffrey/Margaery never got to happen because Joffrey drank some killer purple drank. Drogo/Dany was disturbing. And Ramsey/Sansa was even more disturbing than Drogo/Dany. Am I missing one?

The Cersei-Loras wedding was pretty uneventful, if only because it didn't happen.

I'm sure the Xaro/Doreah wedding in the vault in Qarth was celebrated with a feast of Doreah's left leg.

 

[Brady Marino]

I guess Petyr/Lysa went ok...until Lysa went WHEEEEEEEE down the moon door.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't think there's been one happy post-wedding "consummation" this series except for Tommen/Margaery, and that came and went rather quickly (pun intended).

1. Red Wedding sure didn't end well for the Stark guy.

2. Tyrion/Sansa was uneventful except for one of the best lines of the series ("And so my watch begins..." -Tyrion)

3. Joffrey/Margaery never got to happen because Joffrey drank some killer purple drank.

4. Drogo/Dany was disturbing.

5. Ramsey/Sansa was even more disturbing than Drogo/Dany.

Not counting Robb/Valyrian chick because there wasn't a real "wedding" there.

Don't agree 100% with this, but can we at least agree that it seems like GRRM might have issues with his wife?