Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

[The Captain]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him. Is he on her list?

Yes. I'm thinking this is how she gets him next week.

Before or after she gets raped?

Well she is one of the good guys so something bad will happen.

This is known

 

[kentric]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

 

[shadyridr]

How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.

when they were fleeing I said to my wife, "they need a dragon up in this #####" and sure enough it came. I agree it was obvious but that didnt make it any less awesome. It reminds me of the scene a few years ago when she told her dragon to attack the slave master and everyone knew it was coming.

 

[shadyridr]

I agree the show has done a very poor job on the whole Meryn Trant revenge angle. Hes pretty much been a bit player the entire series.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I agree the show has done a very poor job on the whole Meryn Trant revenge angle. Hes pretty much been a bit player the entire series.

A viewer has some responsibility to remember things. They already do a 20 minute "previously on game of thrones" before every episode that telegraphs what's going to happen and who is important in the show.

 

[kentric]

I don't think that was out of character for Stannis.

Not at all. I was more disappointed by Davos. He risks his hide to get Gendry out of town, but just gives Shrieen a whittling of a stag and leaves? I was hoping he was still among the troops and would at least try something, even if he got offed for it.

Davos didn't think even cold blooded Stannis would do that to his daughter.

I read him asking a couple times about taking Shireen with him as Davos knowing something was up/she was in danger.

Agree. I also thought the carving was going to amount to something but I guess not.

I thought it was just that Davos and Shireen were fairly close. Remember when Davos resurfaced after the Battle of Blackwater and how he was a prisoner? Who give a #### about him in Dragonstone? Shireen.You could be right, though. I just think Davos had the wool pulled over his eyes and Stannis sent him to Castle Black for the purpose of keeping him from intervening in her sacrifice.

The actress who played Shireen did a fantastic job tonight. The look on her face when she figured out what was happening was heartbreaking.Stannisandre just took over the top spot as the show's reigning ######## for me. I actually liked him.

I'd likely feel the same way if she didn't talk so damn fast.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.

Is he on her list?

Did anyone seriously remember who the hell that guy is and what was their beef?

It was brought up quite a few times in this thread a couple weeks ago when Cersei sent him to Braavos.

 

[IC FBGCav]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

Yeah, I've noticed that a few times now. Being killed outnumbered or taken by surprise... sure. But you'd think someone trained as a warrior all of his life and armed with a spear and shield could at least take out a few untrained rabble first. Especially early on when they were just armed with knives.

I said this when Worm etc got the #### kicked out them. argument against was "they're in the city streets and they're not used to tight spaces". this time, I guess it's because they're not used to fighting in and around an arena.



and I'll say again- masked guys circle queen and her pals in the middle of the arena, and attack them one at a time like a bad kung-fu movie from the 70s. but with the dragon, they're spear-chuckers. they couldn't circle up around the queen and then just throw spears at them instead of getting in a big conga-line of certain hand-to-hand death?

I agree that that whole scene was shot fairly poorly. The show is so top notch that those scenes really stand out, however, as I just said, the show is so freaking good that I'm willing to ignore the very few bad scenes.

Plus just because the queen gets away they let the others live?

 

[shadyridr]

I agree the show has done a very poor job on the whole Meryn Trant revenge angle. Hes pretty much been a bit player the entire series.

A viewer has some responsibility to remember things. They already do a 20 minute "previously on game of thrones" before every episode that telegraphs what's going to happen and who is important in the show.

the show is on once a week for ten weeks and then takes a 10 month break every year. Its hard to remember every single character especially one that may has 15 total mintues of screen time in 5 years. They do a great job previously on segments. My wife didnt know who he was and I only did because I frequent this thread.

 

[kentric]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

Yeah, I've noticed that a few times now. Being killed outnumbered or taken by surprise... sure. But you'd think someone trained as a warrior all of his life and armed with a spear and shield could at least take out a few untrained rabble first. Especially early on when they were just armed with knives.

I think they're trained more as unit/phalanx fighters that individually. There were too few unsullied defending the queen in the arena. Without a man on either side of an individual, he loses his effectiveness.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

Yeah, I've noticed that a few times now. Being killed outnumbered or taken by surprise... sure. But you'd think someone trained as a warrior all of his life and armed with a spear and shield could at least take out a few untrained rabble first. Especially early on when they were just armed with knives.

I think they're trained more as unit/phalanx fighters that individually. There were too few unsullied defending the queen in the arena. Without a man on either side of an individual, he loses his effectiveness.

they are pretty much star wars stormtroopers at this point

 

[The General]

I think the French would have a good chance versus The Unsullied at this point.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Steamy love?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This show the season started out as trash, then it went to classic status, now I think it's back to trash.

 

[bostonfred]

If they were only going to kill two characters, the little girl and the other little girl were good choices. Did anyone really enjoy it when either one was on screen?

 

[mozzy84]

That little kid still flashing Jon Snow dirty looks, he's gonna pull something next week.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.

Is he on her list?

Did anyone seriously remember who the hell that guy is and what was their beef?

I sure as hell don't but some of these dudes in here likely do.

You guys are so cool and above it all.

 

[culdeus]

If they were only going to kill two characters, the little girl and the other little girl were good choices. Did anyone really enjoy it when either one was on screen?

I was fine with it. Her story line was boring as hell. OMG a disfigured girl that can READ!!!!

Die in a fire book reader.

 

[IC FBGCav]

If they were only going to kill two characters, the little girl and the other little girl were good choices. Did anyone really enjoy it when either one was on screen?

I was fine with it. Her story line was boring as hell. OMG a disfigured girl that can READ!!!!

Die in a fire book reader.

WTF

 

[Sabertooth]

I agree the show has done a very poor job on the whole Meryn Trant revenge angle. Hes pretty much been a bit player the entire series.

Well, he's a child molester. He killed her sword master. Did you really need him to be another Ramsay Snow? The writers can't win. They show too much Snow and everyone is like "ok we get it." But with Trant, they take much less time and you are like "poor job."

 

[shadyridr]

I agree the show has done a very poor job on the whole Meryn Trant revenge angle. Hes pretty much been a bit player the entire series.

Well, he's a child molester. He killed her sword master. Did you really need him to be another Ramsay Snow? The writers can't win. They show too much Snow and everyone is like "ok we get it." But with Trant, they take much less time and you are like "poor job."

poor job meaning forgetting who he is. I wasnt talking about character development.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

If they were only going to kill two characters, the little girl and the other little girl were good choices. Did anyone really enjoy it when either one was on screen?

I was fine with it. Her story line was boring as hell. OMG a disfigured girl that can READ!!!!

Die in a fire book reader.

I don't know if there's any backlash to this yet, but it's hard to imagine that this kind of thing wouldn't occur in this world.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Does Trant recognize Arya?

I think he recognizes her from the dock and is a bit befuddled why he's seen this random girl three or four times since he's gotten there.

I thought Arya was gonna step up and play the role of under aged prostitute to get close enough to Trant to kill him.Is he on her list?

Did anyone seriously remember who the hell that guy is and what was their beef?

I sure as hell don't but some of these dudes in here likely do.

You guys are so cool and above it all.

That wasn't what I was saying at all.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Can we get a separate thread for people who get butt hurt about the brutality of this show?

WAAAAAAHHHH SANSA GOT RAPED. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

OMG SCALEFACE GOT BURNT. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

MERLIN TRANT IS A PEDO. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

Jesus Christ people it's a show about despicable people doing despicable things to gain power

 

[sn0mm1s]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

The god they follow is a fire god. You have to burn things to sacrifice to him properly.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

The god they follow is a fire god. You have to burn things to sacrifice to him properly.

Thanks. I guess that kind of makes sense. Still seems like there's plenty of less agonizing ways to do it, though- and also ways to do it that would be less disheartening for the troops who were forced to watch it.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

"Alright guys, the games are tomorrow and the queen is going to be in attendance. We need to draw up a plan to ensure her safety."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[bostonfred]

"Alright guys, the games are tomorrow and the queen is going to be in attendance. We need to draw up a plan to ensure her safety."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll stand next to her with no guards in a wooden tent while people with spears fight ten paces away. Wait, that's not enough. We'll need a translator, an unarmed dandy and a midget with a knife.

 

[the moops]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

Because that makes for really boring television

 

[Dan Lambskin]

WHY DIDNT STANNIS JUST GIVE HER SOME MILK OF THE POPPY AND READ HER A BEDTIME STORY

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

WHY DIDNT STANNIS JUST GIVE HER SOME MILK OF THE POPPY AND READ HER A BEDTIME STORY

well leeches worked once, as did shadow crotch baby.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Only things lamer than the Harpys are the sand snakes. Every scene either is in ends up being an abortion (other than the boobie shot)

 

[Quint]

"Alright guys, the games are tomorrow and the queen is going to be in attendance. We need to draw up a plan to ensure her safety."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll stand next to her with no guards in a wooden tent while people with spears fight ten paces away.Wait, that's not enough. We'll need a translator, an unarmed dandy and a midget with a knife.

"Guard your Queen!"

did he say that twice? three times?

isn't that implied at this point?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I understand the rage against Stannis right now, but most viewers seem to think that Jaime Lannister is an OK guy- if they're not rooting for him exactly, they're not rooting against him either. But remember what he did at the end of the very first episode of this series?

Pushing someone else's kid off a ledge is pretty terrible, but I'm not really sure it's quite the same thing as sentencing your innocent daughter to get burned alive in front of her mother and everyone else when all you have to do is say the word and you can save her.

On that subject- why was it necessary to do that? Even if Stannis believed they had to kill her, why not do so in a quick and painless way so that she never has to know her father was responsible and his mother doesn't have to listen to her child's tortured screams?

Because that makes for really boring television

And that's where I have a problem with the writing. It just seems implausible- far more so to me than the Meereen rebellion at the end of the episode. There was clearly a less awful and more prudent way to accomplish the exact same goal, but we're going to ignore that obvious solution for a needlessly problematic one because it makes for a better scene? That's just lazy writing. Stannis may be a lot of things, but we've been led to believe he cares about his daughter and he's a good military leader, even while under the spell of the redhead. Seems lazy to totally throw those ideas aside just to cultivate emotional impact. At least give us a reason it had to go down that way, with the troops watching.

 

[El Floppo]

"Alright guys, the games are tomorrow and the queen is going to be in attendance. We need to draw up a plan to ensure her safety."

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll stand next to her with no guards in a wooden tent while people with spears fight ten paces away.Wait, that's not enough. We'll need a translator, an unarmed dandy and a midget with a knife.

dwarf.

 

[El Floppo]

WHY DIDNT STANNIS JUST GIVE HER SOME MILK OF THE POPPY AND READ HER A BEDTIME STORY

well leeches worked once, as did shadow crotch baby.

I thought the leeches were to determine whether he really had royal blood. when he did, Davey saved him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Gonna start calling them the Larpys. Every fight scene theyre in looks like live action role playing. About ready for one of them to scream lightning bolt.

 

[timschochet]

I was expecting The prince to administer Bronn's gift himself. How wimpy was having some guard do it?

 

[Sabertooth]

I think that was kind of the point.

 

[GregR]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

Yeah, I've noticed that a few times now. Being killed outnumbered or taken by surprise... sure. But you'd think someone trained as a warrior all of his life and armed with a spear and shield could at least take out a few untrained rabble first. Especially early on when they were just armed with knives.

Who says the masters in the masks are untrained?

When the harpies first started their attacks, someone said something along the lines of they were desperate people the masters had hired, not the masters themselves.

We saw the hovel of the one harpy that Daario captured, pulling him out of a hiding place built into a wall. Definitely not the home of a rich guy.

I suppose some of them could be hired mercenaries, and some could even be masters. Though so far I haven't seen anything in the show that indicates it.

 

[Funkley]

At first, I thought that the dragon saving the day was a little cheesy and predictable. But in thinking about it I guess it was pretty important for the destiny of her character to show that she still has control over at least one of her dragons and is still Mother of Dragons. I liked the look on Tyrion's face as he was watching it play out.......as if to say, "Holy !@#$......no one in Kings Landing will believe what they are up against."

 

[Chadstroma]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

At the risk of pulling a Timmy....

They fight more along the lines of the Hopilites of ancient Greece. Think along the lines of a Spartan. (My guess is that Martin took his inspiration for the Unsullied from them) They are a great fighting unit in warfare where they use the tactics of interlocking shields and spear thrusts. In one on one battle and being outnumbered, they are at a disadvantage. You kill one person with a spear it takes time to recover and in that time you can be bum rushed by others.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

WHY DIDNT STANNIS JUST GIVE HER SOME MILK OF THE POPPY AND READ HER A BEDTIME STORY

well leeches worked once, as did shadow crotch baby.

She said that #### won't work this time.

You guys actually watch the show, right?

 

[The General]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

At the risk of pulling a Timmy....They fight more along the lines of the Hopilites of ancient Greece. Think along the lines of a Spartan. (My guess is that Martin took his inspiration for the Unsullied from them) They are a great fighting unit in warfare where they use the tactics of interlocking shields and spear thrusts. In one on one battle and being outnumbered, they are at a disadvantage. You kill one person with a spear it takes time to recover and in that time you can be bum rushed by others.

They keep getting worked over by a bunch of masked peasants in dresses with knives.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Can we get a separate thread for people who get butt hurt about the brutality of this show?

WAAAAAAHHHH SANSA GOT RAPED. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

OMG SCALEFACE GOT BURNT. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

MERLIN TRANT IS A PEDO. DID WE REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT?

Jesus Christ people it's a show about despicable people doing despicable things to gain power

WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOBODY HERE IS BUTT HURT????

Karma who's apparently a book reader and doesn't exist, was the only guy who as complaint and that was a week ago.

 

[timschochet]

The show is really making the Unsullied look a bunch of #####es. Hard to understand that. The Unsullied are the greatest warriors around and they can't seem to do anything right. Clown guys look unstoppable.

At the risk of pulling a Timmy....They fight more along the lines of the Hopilites of ancient Greece. Think along the lines of a Spartan. (My guess is that Martin took his inspiration for the Unsullied from them) They are a great fighting unit in warfare where they use the tactics of interlocking shields and spear thrusts. In one on one battle and being outnumbered, they are at a disadvantage. You kill one person with a spear it takes time to recover and in that time you can be bum rushed by others.

Pullimg a timmy lol. This is a good point, as was my earlier one. The writers of this show use historical references all the time. The world created by them and Martin is not out of thin air. If actual history helps to explain the reasoning behind actions people might otherwise not understand or misunderstand, why not discuss it? IMO it enriches the discussion. And it's nothing like bringing up the books because no secrets are being given away.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I have several thoughts on issues under the main stories. My first:

First, Tyrion told Dany last week that a ruler who kills those devoted to her will have a hard time finding devoted followers. Dany's response to that was not to kill Jorah but to remove him from the city - basically, make the punishment awful to him, fairly in keeping with what she had promised though not completely, and she didn't kill a devoted follower showing the rest in the room that she understood that point and agreed that devotion is important.

This week, we have Stannis. He murders his devoted daughter in front of his men and he purposely removes from his ranks the second and probably only other person that was truly devoted to him and in Davos. The red witch is devoted to her god and the wife is a loon that until the moment the flames started was devoted to the Lord of Light. This will not inspire devotion from his men, and like I said, I would be happy to see it lead to a revolt from his men. And with Davos, he has to shed himself of Stannis once he finds out. Frankly, he should kill Stannis himself but I doubt he does - there are too many other characters that are standing in line to do that. So now Stannis should be in a position where his wife is broken and useless and could end up being a threat to him, the red witch contolling him now forever because at this point there is obviously nothing he won't do, his right hand man has to cast him aside and become an enemy and his men should despise him, in the middle of a winter where some have already left the camp. If he was a good king he would have thought that through and come up with an alternate like Dany did.

The Baratheons are now all but destroyed with this. Meanwhile the Starks for all the hell that family has been through continues to show that people are devoted to them because they are fair and just. Eddard is dead, Robb was brutally assassinated and their homes were taken by the most brutal dictator in the story and they still are devoted to the Starks and at least now to Sansa. Again, they are good leaders.

We know the Lannisters aren't - at least, not anymore with Tywin dead. And who knows what Littlefinger has up his sleeve at the Vayle but they seem loyal to the Starks at least underneath their story, short as it is. We are seeing what the good leaders do and the bad ones fail at. Not just in clear terms, like Joffrey, but the psychological stuff in the Stannis / Dany / Stark stories. Excellent story telling.

 

[Chadstroma]

A whole lot of gripping for no reason.

Another good episode.

Heart wrenching in watching Stannis burn his own child for no other reason that he believes it will give him military victory.

Even the Dorne scenes were ok including the sand snakes (first time being clothed and not painful to watch?).

Kinda sucked of Dany to leave her inner circle and take off. See ya! Hope you make it out alright!

I think the next episode will be a very important point for Arya. Does she hold on to Arya and kill Ser Trant or does she let go and truly become a faceless woman? Or does she continue to do both- act like she let Arya go while not truly doing so, so that down the road she can kill everyone on her list that is left (most have been killed without her lifting a finger).

 

[bostonfred]

I like my TV unenriched like when those jersey shore guys started they were funny but once they became celebrities and got riched they tried to act like they were acting when the funny part was they weren't supposed to know they were funny or when Lindsay Lohan was a sweet, pretty, freckle faced girl instead of a coked out celeb who was too enrich for her own good and you can take that to the bank lohans.