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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

Somehow the Dorne scenes got even worse than last year.  Just scrap that whole story line and have the sand snakes roll around naked in bed together for about 5 minutes every episode.  But please no talking or acting or anything.

 
Synthesizer said:
Somehow the Dorne scenes got even worse than last year.  Just scrap that whole story line and have the sand snakes roll around naked in bed together for about 5 minutes every episode.  But please no talking or acting or anything.
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I don't understand all the complaints about the Dorne storyline. They're obviously setting up for a war between Dorne and the Lannisters to further throw the kingdom into chaos.

They've been building this up since about Season 2, and Myrcella's and Doran's deaths will finally set it off. 

 
No one is complaining about the idea of that.  It's the execution that sucks, some combination of writing, acting, and directing

 
Zow said:
The many face God thing made sense when it seemed like she was training to become an assassin, but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore. I agree that it's confusing. 
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The scene in this episode was still part of her training. In order to become an assassin or a Faceless Man, she needed to first let go of her identity, which meant letting go of her kill list. Killing Meryn Trant last season showed that she was still holding on to Arya Stark. 

 
nysfl2 said:
I don't understand all the complaints about the Dorne storyline. They're obviously setting up for a war between Dorne and the Lannisters to further throw the kingdom into chaos.

They've been building this up since about Season 2, and Myrcella's and Doran's deaths will finally set it off. 
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We understand that they have been setting it up, but it doesn't make the dialogue or acting any better.  Every time they are on screen it is cringe-worthy, and it sticks out even more in a show with usually great acting.  Easily the weakest part of the show, and last episode just shows we are going to get more and more of them. 

 
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The problem with the Dorne situation was in how they handled Doran Martell; to basically introduce this new character last season who is supposedly of importance, have him sit around all year and do nothing; and then have him killed about 30 seconds into the new season.  Would have been much better (and someone hinted about it on this site) if Doran had given his approval to kill Myrcella for revenge for Oberyn.  

Plus, the girls aren't very good actors and their costumes make them look clumsy. 

 
sdp1226 said:
The scene in this episode was still part of her training. In order to become an assassin or a Faceless Man, she needed to first let go of her identity, which meant letting go of her kill list. Killing Meryn Trant last season showed that she was still holding on to Arya Stark. 
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Plus, knowing how to beat people with a stick while blind is a pretty good skill to have.

 
massraider said:
All three Sand Snakes (and Ellaria) were on the dock, watching the boat leave.  

Myrcella dies, pretty soon into the voyage.  

Jamie knows it's poison, if he doesn't, Bronn says, 'bloody nose, followed by death?  Umm, I have something to tell you, boss....'

So Trystane would be chilling on the boat, by himself, unguarded?  Painting little eyes on the stones they put on dead people?  Jamie didn't think maybe this prince would have some value to him, and maybe he ought to keep an eye on him?  Although I suppose that the ship was Dornish, so he's not taking any prisoners.

Still should have shown the two Sand Snakes getting on that boat.  They screwed that up.
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schtick?

 
belljr said:
schtick?
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Not at all.  I don't really get 'shtick'.

Just trying to figure how the Sand Snakes are on the dock, and then are on the boat in King's Landing.  I don't really care too much, I am guessing something got edited out that would explain it. 

 
Another reddit post...makes sense

there's no need to assume that Doran and Trystane were killed at the exact same moment in time. There is a good chance that they were killed days or even weeks apart. The reason for the scenes being in quick succession is just to show the audience that the Martells are being killed.

Most complaints seem to be directed at the fact that two of the Sand Snakes somehow caught up with and made their way onto the boat that Trystane was in.

Firstly, all we know is that they are on a ship that's docked at KL, this could be weeks after they've landed in KL, and Trystane has been kept on the ship because the Lannisters are pissed off that they killed Myrcella. Maybe Jaime knows that Trystane wasn't involved but doesn't want him housed in the Red Keep because he doesn't want him to awkwardly run into a deranged Cersei. Maybe the Lannisters suspect Trystane of being involved and are keeping him prisoner aboard his ship. WE DON'T KNOW THE CONTEXT. All we know is that two Sand Snakes, who are supposedly trained assassins and warriors, made their way onto Trystane's ship and killed him. They could have just hopped on a boat right after the scene in Season 5 and tailed the boat to KL. Is it really that hard to believe? I mean, sure, maybe it's ####ty writing that they didn't depict that somehow, but we're already complaining about the amount of time spent on the Sand Snakes, do we really want more?
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Thunderlips said:
The problem with the Dorne situation was in how they handled Doran Martell; to basically introduce this new character last season who is supposedly of importance, have him sit around all year and do nothing; and then have him killed about 30 seconds into the new season.  Would have been much better (and someone hinted about it on this site) if Doran had given his approval to kill Myrcella for revenge for Oberyn.  

Plus, the girls aren't very good actors and their costumes make them look clumsy. 
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From a writing perspective things are getting unhinged. I'm not sure about the books but for tv it just seems like the boy husband was just a plot device to explain what Myrcella was doing in Dorne.

The whole thing from Jamie on is now just a huge waste of time plot-wise.

 
They definitely rushed the Dorne story line.
I figure the producers knew that Trystane and Prince Doran were non-factors going forward and just killed both rather than waste money and screen time on either character. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
From a writing perspective things are getting unhinged. I'm not sure about the books but for tv it just seems like the boy husband was just a plot device to explain what Myrcella was doing in Dorne.

The whole thing from Jamie on is now just a huge waste of time plot-wise.
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They have a lot of storylines to keep going. I think the first episode was more about trying to remind you about where you were with everything than progressing. Essentially table setting. The only storyline that they didn't table set was Bran.

For me personally, one of the things I enjoy about GoT is the large world. I don't mind the numerous storylines because I am interested in most of the storylines and want to see how they all end up in the end. It also plays towards the genius of GoT which really is that you have no idea what will happen. We really have no idea who will end on the Iron Throne at the end. There is no focus where we know somehow, someway our hero will overcome all and win. You can't even guess in terms of which storyline is really more important than the others.

That being said. The only good thing about Dorne was that two of the three Sand Snakes are hot and one showed her rather nice boobs. I am hopeful we get a good payoff in the eventual Lannister vs Dorne fight that looks assured.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
You guys are nerds.
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Doug: [wearing a T-shirt that says "Genius at Work"] Hi. A question for Miss Bellamy. In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

June Bellamy: Uh, well...

Homer: I'll field this one.

Homer: [to Doug] Let me ask you a question. Why would a man whose shirt says "Genius at Work" spend all of his time watching a children's cartoon show?

[pause]

Doug: I withdraw my question.

[takes a bite from a bar of chocolate]

 
FreeBaGeL said:
This made way more sense than anything in TWD.  The horse tracks basically pointed to the exact spot where the ring was.

My wife made the same comment as they were riding around.  "Oh they're going to just find this tiny ring in the middle of the wilderness".  Then she saw the horse tracks circled around one small patch of untracked grass and she was like "oh, nicely done, TWD had messed with my expectations".
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For me it was Theon and Sansa crossing the river in the middle of winter, only to get caught some short time later in completely dry clothing. Hypothermia would set in quick.

 
Sandeman said:
For me it was Theon and Sansa crossing the river in the middle of winter, only to get caught some short time later in completely dry clothing. Hypothermia would set in quick.
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Was it really obvious their clothes were dry? I didn't think so.

They made it pretty clear how cold they were, that's why they stopped at the tree and Theon wrapped his arms around her.

I'd be more interested to know how they survived the jump off of the castle wall. Was there a pillow truck below or something?

 
I love the I am going to watch a show with dragons, witches, zombies, and giants - but complain about the lack of realism regarding how people survived jumping off a wall and crossing a river schtick.

 
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Chadstroma said:
 I am hopeful we get a good payoff in the eventual Lannister vs Dorne fight that looks assured.
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Aren't the Dornes as far as we know now lead by a bunch of skinny women who realistically couldn't kill most of the middle age guys on this board.  I guess I am not feeling it....

 
mozzy84 said:
Aren't the Dornes as far as we know now lead by a bunch of skinny women who realistically couldn't kill most of the middle age guys on this board.  I guess I am not feeling it....
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Yes.. keep hitting us with the Game of Thrones Realism Schtick!   :thumbup:

 
matuski said:
I love the I am going to watch a show with dragons, witches, zombies, and giants - but complain about the lack of realism regarding how people survived jumping off a wall and crossing a river schtick.
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Going to quote this repeatedly until Comic Book Store Guy leaves the thread.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Suspension of disbelief doesn't cover continuity errors or poor writing.
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Plot holes and the like are fine.  

A nutless prince and princess crossing a freezing river versus say.. zombie armies gathering north of the Wall - is simply a hilarious place to draw the arbitrary line of what you can and can't believe.

 
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When the things we are familiar with and have experience of don't ring true, it undermines our ability to suspend disbelief for the truly fantastic things the show attempts to convey.

 
matuski said:
Plot holes and the like are fine.  

A nutless prince and princess crossing a freezing river versus say.. zombie armies gathering north of the Wall - is simply a hilarious place to draw the arbitrary line of what you can and can't believe.
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Not a fan of nitpicking either but there's quite a big difference between the two.

 
matuski said:
Plot holes and the like are fine.  

A nutless prince and princess crossing a freezing river versus zombie armies gathering north of the Wall is simply a hilarious place to draw the arbitrary line of what you can and can't believe.
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Well, they set the premise for the zombie army so, in that world, it's believable.  With the humans, they haven't set any sort of precedence that the humans are any more powerful than real life or that gravity/physics don't apply.  So, I really do think the two are distinguishable. For instance, I can buy an army of zombies but I can't buy a van falling forward off a bridge yet landing right side up.  

Wait, which show are we talking about again?

 
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Zow said:
Well, they set the premise for the zombie army so, in that world, it's believable.  With the humans, they haven't set any sort of precedence that the humans are any more powerful than real life or that gravity/physics don't apply.  So, I really do think the two are distinguishable. For instance, I can buy an army of zombies but I can't buy a van falling forward off a bridge yet landing right side up.  

Wait, which show are we talking about again?
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Porky's Butthole

 
matuski said:
I love the I am going to watch a show with dragons, witches, zombies, and giants - but complain about the lack of realism regarding how people survived jumping off a wall and crossing a river schtick.
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I say all of this as a huge GoT fan who has no problem with any of the things people are talking about here, but his is such a dumb argument.  We see the same thing in TWD thread.  Just because a show has a fantasy premise doesn't mean that it shouldn't adhere to the laws it has set up in its own universe.  As far as I'm aware, the show hasn't done anything to show us that this world has different gravity where people can jump off of 6 story buildings with no ill effect (they established the opposite in basically the first episode, actually).

The worst schtick of all is the "it's not based on reality so anything and everything is fair game" schtick.  While we're at it maybe they should just skip any actual plotlines for resurrecting Jon Snow and just have him wake up from a nap and make a phone call to lord Xenu who comes down in his spaceship from planet Zargon and launches a laser missile at King's Landing that only kills Lannisters and makes Jon king and everyone lives happily ever after.  Because hey, it's fantasy anyway, right?

Again, I say this as someone that was defending them finding Dany's ring and Sansa/Theon crossing the river, and am even fine with them jumping off the castle and landing in a big pile of snow.  There was enough there to make all of those plenty believable.  But the "there are dragons so there's no need to adhere to any sense of realism even within the established boundaries of the show" schtick is just really, really terrible.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I say all of this as a huge GoT fan who has no problem with any of the things people are talking about here, but his is such a dumb argument.  We see the same thing in TWD thread.  Just because a show has a fantasy premise doesn't mean that it shouldn't adhere to the laws it has set up in its own universe.  As far as I'm aware, the show hasn't done anything to show us that this world has different gravity where people can jump off of 6 story buildings with no ill effect (they established the opposite in basically the first episode, actually).

The worst schtick of all is the "it's not based on reality so anything and everything is fair game" schtick.  While we're at it maybe they should just skip any actual plotlines for resurrecting Jon Snow and just have him wake up from a nap and make a phone call to lord Xenu who comes down in his spaceship from planet Zargon and launches a laser missile at King's Landing that only kills Lannisters and makes Jon king and everyone lives happily ever after.  Because hey, it's fantasy anyway, right?

Again, I say this as someone that was defending them finding Dany's ring and Sansa/Theon crossing the river, and am even fine with them jumping off the castle and landing in a big pile of snow.  There was enough there to make all of those plenty believable.  But the "there are dragons so there's no need to adhere to any sense of realism even within the established boundaries of the show" schtick is just really, really terrible.
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 YO!!!!!!!  STOP WITH THE BOOK SPOILERS!!!!!!!!! MOTHER ####### BOOK  READING NERDS!!!!!!!!

 
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Thunderlips said:
Batman in the Operating Room....http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2008/01/14/batman-in-the-operating-room-why-some-comedy-isnt-funny/
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Love Reed's memo.  IIRC it was first published in Barry Williams' "Growing Up Brady".  

There was no love lost between Reed and the Schwartzes.   They thought he was a pain in the ### prima donna.  One of them said something like "If Robert Reed played Hamlet and got bad reviews he would say 'don't blame me...I didn't write this ####!'"

 
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