Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

[Harry Manback]

Really rousing speech by Lindsey Mormont.

C'mon. Her name is Lauren. Jesus #### this isn't difficult.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Jamie isn't on The List.

True, but being face to face with Cersei's brother and one of the top Lannisters, I'm sure the list could be quickly amended.  Or, she was simply surprised to see him there and/or processing the Lannisters were complicit with the Freys.

 

[Sinn Fein]

He could have just said "Tommen dies" or even got away with "Tommen commits suicide."  Instead we get basically a scene for scene narration of what happened including the oddly specific "Tommen jumping out of a window."  

Not only did he see it, I think he practically wanted everyone to know he had seen it. 

Not only did I not see it - I said there was a legit spoiler in the Kings Landing part - I did know that Tommen took a nose dive out the window.  That was leaked after Episode 4.  Everything else was just a guess based on where we were headed or the preview scenes.

 

[packersfan]

Random prediction. Sam, not dragons saves the world. 

They have to be setting Sam up for something pretty big I would imagine. 

 

[cobalt_27]

He could have just said "Tommen dies" or even got away with "Tommen commits suicide."  Instead we get basically a scene for scene narration of what happened including the oddly specific "Tommen jumping out of a window."  

Not only did he see it, I think he practically wanted everyone to know he had seen it. 

Ban that guy.  Such bad form.

 

[cobalt_27]

That makes sense. She knows how Jamie feels about using wildfire to kill as many people as possible. Cersei basically had her Mad King moment. Last time it happened is when Jamie got his nickname so having him around wasn't in Cersei's best interests since it could've muddied up her plan.   

Odds on Jamie becoming King(queen)slayer again?

 

[timschochet]

Not only did I not see it - I said there was a legit spoiler in the Kings Landing part - I did know that Tommen took a nose dive out the window.  That was leaked after Episode 4.  Everything else was just a guess based on where we were headed or the preview scenes.

You deserve great credit for this, Sinn Fein. 

It makes me nervous about some of your other predictions. 

 

[stbugs]

So - predictions on tonight's episode?

My guesses - no legitimate spoliers

Wall

Spoiler

Bran makes it to the wall, has his last peek into the past, we find out Jon is a Targaryen/Stark;  Wall begins to crack, Whitewalkers have a way thorugh.

Winterfell

Spoiler

Jon is crowned King of the North.  He pardons Melisandre, Davos walks/rides away.  Sansa and Littlefinger discuss marriage but maybe between Sansa and Robyn

Kings Landing - one legit spoiler in here

Spoiler

Loras and Cersei have their trials.  Loras admits his sins, punishment = castration.  Cersei does not show up - blows up the Sept instead killing everyone in their - including Sparrows, Margaery, Loras, and other Tyrells, and an undetermined number of high society types.  Tommen sees this, and jumps out a window, killing himself.  Cersei realizes the prophecy has come true.

Freys/Lannisters

Spoiler

Arya shows up at the Frey/Lannister feast - kills Walder Frey, becomes Red Wedding, Part II  can see this breaking down into Lannisters v. Freys when they start blaming each other.

Dorne

Spoiler

Nothing much here - Varys secures Dorne, and maybe Lady Olenna as allies for Daenerys

Mereen

Spoiler

Daenerys and Tyrion join with Iron Fleet to head to Westeros

Other stuff

Spoiler

Euron Greyjoy has his fleet and sets out to woo Daenerys,  Samwell and Gilly make it to oldtown with the sword - send white ravens to other houses to warn that Winter is here.  Brienne and Pod meet up with Brotherhood, and continue the trek up north.

Jorah Mormont is seen headed to Valyria - photo of him from the set

So glad I pretty much stayed out of this thread after the mention of "theories" after episode 8 outside of a couple posts after the last episode. Oh, one legit spoiler in your guesses? Your post was pretty much the entire episode. Just post that your guesses came from a spoiler site or after you already watched the episode online. No need to pawn off spoilers as your guesses. I guessed a Red Wedding II, i.e. I knew Frey was going to bite it when he was too happy, but you pretty much typed up the full episode.

 

[bigmarc27]

Not only did I not see it - I said there was a legit spoiler in the Kings Landing part - I did know that Tommen took a nose dive out the window.  That was leaked after Episode 4.  Everything else was just a guess based on where we were headed or the preview scenes.

How could you possibly under any circumstance guess that Olenna and Varys were both going to Dorne. 

No way. 

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

How could you possibly under any circumstance guess that Olenna and Varys were both going to Dorne.

No way.

where did you think Varys was headed?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Who is left for Olenna other than the Sand Snakes?

 

[packersfan]

Odds on Jamie becoming King(queen)slayer again?

50-50 but I'd push it to near 100% if Cersei tries to kill Tyrion. 

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

also, books helped a bit I would think. The Martell / Dany alliance was in the works. The Tyrell connection was a jump, but not completely unpredictable.

 

[bigmarc27]

where did you think Varys was headed?

Could have been anywhere.  They gave zero indication where he was going. 

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Could have been anywhere.  They gave zero indication where he was going.

I think they telegraphed where he was going.

Was the wild fire totally unpredictable too?

 

[cobalt_27]

50-50 but I'd push it to near 100% if Cersei tries to kill Tyrion. 

And, Tyrion's now hand of the queen who is on her way to take back the kingdom.  Tyrion and Jamie will take her down, but I think Jamie dies too and can even imagine a difficult final scene with the two brothers.  

 

[packersfan]

I had no clue Varys was off to Dorne but props to him and Tyrion for mapping that out and realizing that was a strong potential ally against Cersei.

This is exactly why Tyrion is perhaps Dany's strongest ally other than the dragons obviously. He knows how to play the game and lining that one up was brilliant. He had no way of knowing Cersei was gonna piss off Olenna too but that just made the whole thing even better for them. 

 

[bigmarc27]

I think they telegraphed where he was going.

Do explain then. 

 

[culdeus]

I'm gonna guess they were gonna need that wildfire at some point.  

Good to see the mountain has a fleshlight at last out of all that.

 

[shadyridr]

I did. It was freaking great. I've been waiting for a Stark to avenge one of the Stark murders. Fitting it was Arya who did it and I loved that she avenged the Red Wedding. Arya's become all kinds of a major league bad ###. Now it's time for her to get back with Jon and Sansa. Let's get all the Starks together again. The way all the storylines are beginning to merge together I don't think we'll see a lot of fragmented stories anymore. Not enough time left on the show to keep doing that. 

A stark avenged a stark murder last week

 

[packersfan]

I think they telegraphed where he was going.

Was the wild fire totally unpredictable too?

We knew the wildfire was coming based on Bran's vision. I think there were two "future" images in his vision. One was the wildfire explosion which we've now seen. The other was Drogon flying over King's Landing.   

 

[packersfan]

A stark avenged a stark murder last week

You're right, Ramsay killed Rickon and Sansa avenged it but I was referring to the earlier season murders mainly cuz I care about them more. I think we can all agree those murders did impact the show more than Rickon's. 

 

[bigmarc27]

We knew the wildfire was coming based on Bran's vision. I think there were two "future" images in his vision. One was the wildfire explosion which we've now seen. The other was Drogon flying over King's Landing.   

He knows. He's trying to compare two completely different scenarios. One was foreshadowed, the other was not. 

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

We knew the wildfire was coming based on Bran's vision. I think there were two "future" images in his vision. One was the wildfire explosion which we've now seen. The other was Drogon flying over King's Landing.  

they also shoved it down our throats in the "previously on Game of Thrones" flashback to the Blackwater.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

He knows. He's trying to compare two completely different scenarios. One was foreshadowed, the other was not.

I guess you are right. It was totally unpredictable. I am surprised the writers even thought of it. Carry on.

 

[bigmarc27]

I guess you are right. It was totally unpredictable. I am surprised the writers even thought of it. Carry on.

I'm just waiting to see where it was alluded to?  Where it was foreshadowed?  Where any indication is was coming was shown?

You're the one who said it was telegraphed. Do explain. 

 

[The Gator]

I'm gonna guess they were gonna need that wildfire at some point.  

Good to see the mountain has a fleshlight at last out of all that.

There's caches of it throughout the city. 

Or should this go in spoilers for the people not paying attention? 

 

[shadyridr]

So glad I didn't read Sinn Finn's "speculation". I don't understand why people get off on posting that stuff.

 

[packersfan]

they also shoved it down our throats in the "previously on Game of Thrones" flashback to the Blackwater.

Cersei using wildfire wasn't a huge shock. I think that was something many/most people expected her to do once the Sparrow took the Mountain away from her as an option. Plus she's had a fascination with it for a long time now and you could make a strong case that it's always been her destiny to become "The Mad Queen."  

 

[belljr]

C'mon. Her name is Lauren. Jesus #### this isn't difficult.

Anything else we should not have missed

 

[stbugs]

Yes, Maester Q mentioned to Cersei a couple episodes back that he had recruited the little birds, when he was talking about the rumor he confirmed. Which I think was the cache of wild fire.

and I'm pretty sure the Mountain was peeing on the sister when Cersei walked out, sounded like it anyway. I definitely assumed that Cersei is going to Ramsey Bolton her, including letting the Mountain treat her like his personal chew toy. I would feel bad for her, if she hadn't earned it.

The rumor being the cache of wild fire doesn't make sense to me. Cersei was responsible for creating the cache. Why would she have to confirm that? I was wondering if the rumor was about Pycelle since he was involved in the killing at the same time. I guess it could be about the wild fire, but it makes no sense as we posted earlier the scene where it showed that Cersei was the person who instructed that guy to create the wild fire. I just can't see a situation where she wasn't aware of how much they made and how much was left after the battle at Blackwater.

 

[mr roboto]

He put it in ####### spoiler tags. I guessed greater than half of those things and I don't read the books or speculative websites or anything other that occasionally this thread. 

Can you little girls stop bickering amongst one another?  It was the single best episode of TV, ever. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

A few things:

• The wildfyre scene - I thought they would have played in up more; made it bigger.
  

What on Earth.

 

[Harry Manback]

Anything else we should not have missed

Yes, the stick in your ### and the sarcasm of my post.

HTH

YIC 

Harold

 

[shuke]

The only way Varys goes from Mareen to Dorne and back to Mareen in 2 episodes is if he rides a dragon.

HINT: the show is not in real time.

 

[Koya]

He put it in ####### spoiler tags. I guessed greater than half of those things and I don't read the books or speculative websites or anything other that occasionally this thread. 

Can you little girls stop bickering amongst one another?  It was the single best episode of TV, ever. 

Without that we'd have about 4 pages to this thread.

 

[Native]

I hope Cercei grows her hair back for season seven.

 

[shuke]

Odds on Jamie becoming King(queen)slayer again?

Seems more likely Martin intended him to be the valonqar rather than Tyrion.

 

[stbugs]

I think they telegraphed where he was going.

Was the wild fire totally unpredictable too?

There is a difference between that being a possibility and predicting everything that happened in the episode. Heck, there was nothing in the previews, how would you even know Varys and Olenna would even be there in the finale. The wild fire wasn't totally unpredictable, but again, it was everything that happened all in one prediction. I predicted Frey would bite it in the finale, that was pretty obvious.

As posted above, there was enough trying to show it wasn't pure spoilers, i.e. Jon pardoning Melisandre and Davos going away. Problem is you see other little stuff like knowing Sam was going to be at the citadel and a white raven warning about Winter being here? I am 99.9% sure that wasn't in a preview. That and the Dorne scene IMHO were the giveaways. Neither of those were obvious that they would even be in the finale. I was amazed how much they got into the finale to be honest.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

There is a difference between that being a possibility and predicting everything that happened in the episode. Heck, there was nothing in the previews, how would you even know Varys and Olenna would even be there in the finale. The wild fire wasn't totally unpredictable, but again, it was everything that happened all in one prediction. I predicted Frey would bite it in the finale, that was pretty obvious.

As posted above, there was enough trying to show it wasn't pure spoilers, i.e. Jon pardoning Melisandre and Davos going away. Problem is you see other little stuff like knowing Sam was going to be at the citadel and a white raven warning about Winter being here? I am 99.9% sure that wasn't in a preview. That and the Dorne scene IMHO were the giveaways. Neither of those were obvious that they would even be in the finale. I was amazed how much they got into the finale to be honest.

some is from the books. hth

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

some is from the books. hth

the Citadel and white raven bits to be specific. Did the preview show the white ravens?

 

[babydemon90]

That'd be my only "complaint" (and its not a complaint). The "previously on Game of Thrones" clips essentially telegraph what's coming.

Now, if SF predicted Arya was going to feed Walder Frey his sons, that would have been somthin

That was forshadowed as well by Bran, (maybe not Arya doing the feeding, but someone feeding him his sons).

 

[stbugs]

the Citadel and white raven bits to be specific. Did the preview show the white ravens?

I don't recall that at all. I believe they showed the raven right at the beginning of the episode and then Sansa mentioned it to Jon.

Makes sense that a lot of it was from the books. Again, not much of a prediction if your guesses are things that happened in the books that hasn't happened in the show.

ETA: Also, if Tim gives you a pat on the back for something, you know there's something wrong.

 

[PIK95]

I still don't buy it.  I read all the books multiple times.  That was just too specific imo. 

It wasn't just the predictions, but the fact that who would have even imagined they stuffed that much into one episode.  Everything hit?  Even the wrong ones were close which felt like feints as I said earlier.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I don't recall that at all. I believe they showed the raven right at the beginning of the episode and then Sansa mentioned it to Jon.

Makes sense that a lot of it was from the books. Again, not much of a prediction if your guesses are things that happened in the books that hasn't happened in the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MehJaeTVrxI

but I guess you'd have to know what the white bird meant (and understand what the title of the episode meant too).

Maybe he meant to post his spoilers (which were hidden under a spoiler tag) in the book thread.



Let the outrage continue!

 

[Don't Noonan]

Pretty good finale, one of the better episodes of this season.  Didn't like seeing Margorie go.  Agree with others that Varys is faster than Usain Bolt.  Still don't understand how Arya can use other faces, I guess she brought some with her?  Glad to see her get revenge though, maybe the best scene in the episode.

 

[the moops]

 Agree with others that Varys is faster than Usain Bolt.

Yea, and did you see how fast Jaime got back to Kings Landing? And how the hell did Arya get to riverlands so fast?

 

[stbugs]

I still don't buy it.  I read all the books multiple times.  That was just too specific imo.

Yeah, some "might" be predictable, some was extremely hard to predict, but the problem IMHO was knowing everything that happened in the episode. Varys and Olenna had just left. With all that happened this week (all awesome btw), so easy to think that those two wouldn't even be seen in this episode. Not just predictions, but predicting it would all happen in the last episode.

Anyway, not a big deal. I had quoted it because I hadn't even read anything in this thread until this morning. I missed your discussion. I was just very glad I stayed out because I like to read "guesses" sometimes like all the discussions we used to have on Lost. That said, with the books and torrents (didn't really exist back in 2004), the guesses nowadays aren't just guesses and that post would have ruined the finale for me. I hope other people didn't read it.

 

[packersfan]

Pretty good finale, one of the better episodes of this season.  Didn't like seeing Margorie go.  Agree with others that Varys is faster than Usain Bolt.  Still don't understand how Arya can use other faces, I guess she brought some with her?  Glad to see her get revenge though, maybe the best scene in the episode.

I think she's got all the skills of a Faceless Assassin but without all the BS baggage they seemed to wanna drag around with them all the time. So she's on her own doing it her way. Whether that's ultimately going to be a good thing for her is the question. As someone posted earlier if she's truly just out to finish off The List now and she just becomes a true bloodthirsty killer that will be fun for us as viewers to watch but it will really leave her as a wounded character. 

But the good news is I think the wheels are really in place now for some great Arya stuff as we head to the finish. That makes me happy since she's one of my favorite characters on the show.

 

[Insomniac]

And I guess Cersei sent Jaime away so she could be free to do what she needed (wanted) to do in the first place. Otoh I guess trial by combat was Plan A, but Jaime was a vital part of protecting their son. Him not being around greatly increased the chance of something disastrous happening to him.

Cersei didn't send him away, the High Sparrow had Tommen order him sent away. When Jaime left the assumption was there would be a trial by combat, after he left the Tommen decreed the end of trial by combat.