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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

If you want to know the ending i really do think this is where it's going. But i really think i'm right about a lot of this so don't read this if you hate spoilers.

I think we all agree with the theory that bran will control the dragons.

I think we also agree that jon is the rightful heir whose conception started this whole conflict. His dad was the targaryan kid but his mom was neds sister and robert wanted neds sister so when the mad king died and robert found out the girl he always wanted fied having the other guys baby he led a rebellion to kill the targaryan kid and took the throne with cersei who knew she was plan b and didnt care because she was incesting with her brother.

We learn more about that when bran wargs into the past to see what really happened in the mad kings throne room that fateful day.

But before we do, danny is headed to kings landing with a fleet and an army and dragons.  But he new king of the iron islands wails away at her and the only ones who can repel them are yara, who dies, and theon, who finally does something right by saving the rest of danny's ships snd killing the uncle.

But that not only takes out a big chunk not only of her army, but also lady olestra's and the dornish.  And now another land army is decimated before the white walkers arrive.

Which is the whole point of this series - how all the power hungry families just kept killing each other until the real threat finally appeared and then they were powerless to stop them. 

Think about the armies that have been decimated - kings landing got beat down by stanis, the lanisters fought rob stark, the nights watch repelled the giants and the wildlings then stanis got another army from the iron bank and killed some more wildlings but lost his army to the car starks, then the starks beat the car starks with the knights of the vale. There aren't many big armies left and they're set to fight each other.

So samwell gamgee is reading books about dragons and how dragon glass can kill white walkers and then he finds out dragons killed the white walkers last time and he sets out to find jon snow who has found bran and now the stark family is together. And the white walkers are set to attack.

While this is happening, jaime and tyrion are reunited when he returns to kings landing with danny to negotiate on her behalf and theres a big fight where cersei wants tyrion dead and tyrion doesn't want to fight his brother but it gets stopped when jamie finally says #### cersei you blowed up a church what is wrong with you. So they're on the outs, obv. 

And #### is going down, because we finally see littlefinger is in the capital city and he takes the iron throne. But not so fast, because all those little birds were part of the spiders network and hes back in town. So jyst as he goes to.betray cersei, the kids betray him and his hopes are dashed.

Meanwhile cersei has frankenmountain who is jyst mowing dudes down but the hound goes to stop him but he can't but before he loses one of the queens guards is arya and she hamstrings the mountain and kills cersei while the hound takes over and kills his brother then dies.

But the wall is breached and the white walkers have pushed jon and co back and now we have tyrion and danny and 3 fully grown dragons and danny can fly one and tyrion who has always wanted to see a dragon and bravely met a dragon and literally looked up in awe at a dragon and so on - he is on his way.  Hes totally flying the second dragon. And that leaves the third one for bran.

Last we saw bran he was getting ready to take a peek in on the mad king.  You remember the story of how Hold the door hold the door became hodor? Well, bran is looking in on the mad king like i said earlier when the white walkers attack. And someone is screaming at him to burn them all. Which is why jamie remembers the mad king is screaming burn them all, burn them all, which is why jaime kills him, inadvertently supporting roberts rebellion which led to his sister marrying the guy she hated. Wee misunderstanding.

So now we have tyrion, bran and danny flying dragons and jon, samwise and jamie have those fancy steel swords and theres a lot of violence but they kill the last of the white walkers and wights. jon's heritage is revealed, he becomes king and the starks and targaryans take the throne for good.

Then we finally see that this is the story of how all the wars and all the slavery and all the power hungry almost did us in. The water god, the fire god, the old gods, the new gods, those little fireball chucking tree things, and hell itself all battled it out. But in the end, a few unlikely heroes - a *******, a dwarf, a cripple, a fat nerd, a blind librarian, a half wit, a eunuch, a ginger, a giant lady, a one handed man and a girl left for dead, among others - ended up surviving to save the entire human race.
 
It's interesting to note that out of all the major houses; most are now devoid of heirs with really only House Lannister as the only one that is still, more or less intact.

Baratheon - Robert/Stannis/Renly/Joffery/Tommen - gone

Starks - Robb/Rickon - gone/ Jon - ******* who is actually a Targeryan/ Bran - cripple who seems to be fated to become the new Three Eyed Raven

Martells - Oberyn, Doran, Trystan - gone

Tyrells - All blowns up

Arryns - Still alive with SweetRobin.  Don't think he can seal the deal with a chick.

Lannisters - Jamie and Tyrion are still available. Cersei's all used up.

Greyjoy - Theon's the heir apparent.  His twig and berries are gone. I suppose his Uncle could take up the mantle.

Tullys - Blackfish Dead. Father Dead.  Son still alive (that we know of).

 
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I actually hope its Arya who kills the Mountain. Perhaps that is what the "No name" storyline is about. How she is able to kill him, with a different face.

That storyline has to matter for something more down the line. If it was just for Frey, it was a waste of time.
Am I the only one who really wanted to see the High sparrow get tortured or something? King Tommen is one of my most hated characters for the wuss he was in a game of so many powerful people. Kind of shows you, you have to be a certain type of person to lead. Even Jon had to kill Ollie.

Sorry if I am talking about old stuff, just able to discuss now that I watched the last season.

Who sits on the Throne when the series is all done? They taking bets in Vegas?
Combining a few of the things posited here, the Hound could be protecting Sansa from Ser GregorMountainStein.  Kills him using fire, but is greatly injured himself.  Then someone walks from a crowd of bystanders, pulls a face off, and it is Arya.  She then gives him the mercy killing she refused him after his fight with Brienne.  

 
I have no spoilers, just my conjecture:

Similar to how Jaime killed the Mad King before he could destroy King's Landing with dragonfire, I see him turning on Cersei to do the same thing and keep her from committing another atrocity. She's already demonstrated she was willing to kill herself and little boy Tommen rather than be taken prisoner when Stannis attacked King's Landing, and she's not above slaughtering innocents for no good reason. Would be just like her to go scorched earth on everybody if she sees herself about to lose.

I agree that the Hound takes out the Mountain somehow.

Sansa will eventually kill Littlefinger IMO, once she figures out that he is the one directly responsible for many of the horrors that befell her family.

I'm not sure who survives the Walkers, the dragons, Jon and Dany all seem the type to heroically go down swinging. Grey Worm & Jorah will likely sacrifice themselves at some point to save Dany. Sam will likely find some key piece of info at the Maestre's college to turn the tide of the war and ends up a lord somewhere. I'm not sure the rest of the country would follow Tyrion if he's the last one standing but who knows? Seems more likely he ends up back at Casterly Rock as lord. Bran ends up in Winterfell, Sansa happily married to someone (Tyrion for real?) Theon's sister in control of the Iron Islands. Davos is the ultimate survivor IMO, I think he makes it through and ends up in service to whomever is left standing. Arya is such a badass and one of my favorites, but I think her story ends up a sad one since she is so consumed with revenge and killing.

My guess is this next season is Dany and Jon's two different forces uniting (Jon from the North, Dany from the South) to defeat Cersei and take the kingdom. But just as they prevail, the White Walkers somehow bring down the wall and finally invade. Final season is the struggle to defeat the Walkers.

 
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Thunderlips said:
It's interesting to note that out of all the major houses; most are now devoid of heirs with really only House Lannister as the only one that is still, more or less intact.

Baratheon - Robert/Stannis/Renly/Joffery/Tommen - gone

Starks - Robb/Rickon - gone/ Jon - ******* who is actually a Targeryan/ Bran - cripple who seems to be fated to become the new Three Eyed Raven

Martells - Oberyn, Doran, Trystan - gone

Tyrells - All blowns up

Arryns - Still alive with SweetRobin.  Don't think he can seal the deal with a chick.

Lannisters - Jamie and Tyrion are still available. Cersei's all used up.

Greyjoy - Theon's the heir apparent.  His twig and berries are gone. I suppose his Uncle could take up the mantle.

Tullys - Blackfish Dead. Father Dead.  Son still alive (that we know of).


Gendry Baratheon, FTW! 

I actually think Gendry will have a role to play. He may be the smith that can make more valerian steel swords for the fight. 

Euron Greyjoy will be our new hated villain. We lost Joffrey and Ramsay. Euro will be that pure evil mother ####er. He'll take out a big name or two. 

Littlefinger was pretty pissed when the north rallied behind John instead of Sansa. He's going to try and realign with Cersi. 

Alright I'll stop. I hate this prediction ####. But I just rewatched it all so it's pretty fresh.

 
Thunderlips said:
It's interesting to note that out of all the major houses; most are now devoid of heirs with really only House Lannister as the only one that is still, more or less intact.

Baratheon - Robert/Stannis/Renly/Joffery/Tommen - gone

Starks - Robb/Rickon - gone/ Jon - ******* who is actually a Targeryan/ Bran - cripple who seems to be fated to become the new Three Eyed Raven

Martells - Oberyn, Doran, Trystan - gone

Tyrells - All blowns up

Arryns - Still alive with SweetRobin.  Don't think he can seal the deal with a chick.

Lannisters - Jamie and Tyrion are still available. Cersei's all used up.

Greyjoy - Theon's the heir apparent.  His twig and berries are gone. I suppose his Uncle could take up the mantle.

Tullys - Blackfish Dead. Father Dead.  Son still alive (that we know of).
I expected that Tyrion and/or Arya would be the last one left in the Game of Thrones since season one.  I still feel that way fwiw.

 
Baddies die a lot too. Joffrey, Daddy Bolton, Brat Bolton, Frey, Bad Khals, Slave Owners, Daddy Greyjoy, High Sparrow, Sir Alliser, Stannis, Tywin and the Kings Guard hot shot Arya took out. Saying its just conjecture that the baddies always beat the good guys makes me wonder if you watched the first 6 seasons. While some have been eliminated by other bad guys, they dont always end up on top, which I believe was the point.

 
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Lots of conjecture and fantasizing as to how the good guys will kill all the baddies. Have you learned nothing from the first six seasons? 
I also said that most of the good guys die too. The only ones I said might survive are Bran, Sam, Sansa, Davos and Tyrion. And I wouldn't put money on any of them. From a narrative standpoint it seems highly unlikely the bad guys end up on top unless we think the show will end with the kingdoms totally wiped out by the White Walkers.

How many bad guys are even left? Cersei, The Mountain, Littlefinger, The Walkers, who else? Maybe the other Greyjoy who was in like 10 mins of 1 episode? That's a lot of dead bad guys no longer standing that have been killed by good guys. Have you learned nothing from the first six seasons?

 
My bet is on Littlefinger sitting on the throne in the end, at least in the book.
That would be interesting, although I don't agree unless someone takes out Vary's. Vary's would never let him sit on the throne. Although I'm convinced that after tutoring Sansa in the book she eventually realizes the truth and turns on him. The show has changed that story up so differently that who knows at this point.

 
I don't see a path to cersei destroying dany. Based on the resources of the 2 sides, that fight should be over before cersei finishes her first glass of wine. 
Dany is too powerful for anyone to put up a fight at this point, and even has a WW trump card just for good measure.

Which is why next season will probably start with a big storm that wipes out 90% of her army.

 
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So, I avoided and avoided and avoided this thread... until I finally finished season 6 this weekend.

HOLY. ####.

What a series of television.  Last few episodes of season 6 were just epic.  

:shock:

 
It's interesting to note that out of all the major houses; most are now devoid of heirs with really only House Lannister as the only one that is still, more or less intact.

Baratheon - Robert/Stannis/Renly/Joffery/Tommen - gone

Starks - Robb/Rickon - gone/ Jon - ******* who is actually a Targeryan/ Bran - cripple who seems to be fated to become the new Three Eyed Raven

Martells - Oberyn, Doran, Trystan - gone

Tyrells - All blowns up

Arryns - Still alive with SweetRobin.  Don't think he can seal the deal with a chick.

Lannisters - Jamie and Tyrion are still available. Cersei's all used up.

Greyjoy - Theon's the heir apparent.  His twig and berries are gone. I suppose his Uncle could take up the mantle.

Tullys - Blackfish Dead. Father Dead.  Son still alive (that we know of).
House Targeryan still going strong with a male and female to marry each other 

 
She got everyone to anoint Jon "King of the North" with just her own words. She even said he is a Stark and changed everyones view. Thats power of a Queen.

 
Can someone tell me how we know Jon's dad is Rhaegar specifically?  I must have missed that tie in somehow.

 
Can someone tell me how we know Jon's dad is Rhaegar specifically?  I must have missed that tie in somehow.
Rhaegar was in love with his mother.(and she probably with him) Rhaegar "kidnapped" her and took her to the tower of joy. Then a baby comes out that ned lies about to protect.  Pretty easy to connect the dots.

 
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Rhaegar was in love with his mother.(and she probably with him) Rhaegar "kidnapped" her and took her to the tower of joy. Then a baby comes out that ned lies about to protect.  Pretty easy to connect the dots.
When/where did we hear about this?

 
Also as a nice clincher when Lyanna whispers to Ned most of it is inaudible, but the only part you can hear is "If Robert finds out he'll kill him, you know he will".  You can connect the dots to what she said before that, namely that Rhaegar was the father, as that's what would make Robert want to kill him.

 
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Littlefinger sits on the throne as the camera pans in on the throne as the final song plays. Before the series fades to black, Littlefinger rises to his face, with his wry smile, as his hand grabs his face to reveal Arya Stark. 

Fan Fiction continuation = everyone thinks Littlefinger is the King until he becomes pregnant. People think he's magical until Arya reveals herself as the one true Queen. 

 
Littlefinger sits on the throne as the camera pans in on the throne as the final song plays. Before the series fades to black, Littlefinger rises to his face, with his wry smile, as his hand grabs his face to reveal Arya Stark. 

Fan Fiction continuation = everyone thinks Littlefinger is the King until he becomes pregnant. People think he's magical until Arya reveals herself as the one true Queen. 
I was with you in the first paragraph, that would be pretty cool.

You are creeping me out with your fan fiction, just a we bit outside.

 
Littlefinger sits on the throne as the camera pans in on the throne as the final song plays. Before the series fades to black, Littlefinger rises to his face, with his wry smile, as his hand grabs his face to reveal Arya Stark. 

Fan Fiction continuation = everyone thinks Littlefinger is the King until he becomes pregnant. People think he's magical until Arya reveals herself as the one true Queen. 
If Baelish wins the throne it would be due to his cunning and political game playing. Arya wouldn't last 2 minutes as queen if she "wins" by killing Baelish.

 
Maybe the point is to be cunning and political to win the throne for a long time. Its not far fetched the last guy you think would end up in the big chair.

 
I also said that most of the good guys die too. The only ones I said might survive are Bran, Sam, Sansa, Davos and Tyrion. And I wouldn't put money on any of them. From a narrative standpoint it seems highly unlikely the bad guys end up on top unless we think the show will end with the kingdoms totally wiped out by the White Walkers.

How many bad guys are even left? Cersei, The Mountain, Littlefinger, The Walkers, who else? Maybe the other Greyjoy who was in like 10 mins of 1 episode? That's a lot of dead bad guys no longer standing that have been killed by good guys. Have you learned nothing from the first six seasons?
Wait, other Greyjoy? The plain Jane gal with the nice ### or is there another one?

 
Can someone tell me how we know Jon's dad is Rhaegar specifically?  I must have missed that tie in somehow.
They never overtly said it in the show.  It's been a theory floating around for a long time based on lots of clues dropped in the text of the books and lots of things spoken and unspoken around Rhaegar and Lyanna and the beginning of Robert's Rebellion.  People have taken the way that birth was revealed in the Tower of Joy as confirmation. Though I think HBO also released an infographic or something that "confirmed" it outside the content of the show.

 
They never overtly said it in the show.  It's been a theory floating around for a long time based on lots of clues dropped in the text of the books and lots of things spoken and unspoken around Rhaegar and Lyanna and the beginning of Robert's Rebellion.  People have taken the way that birth was revealed in the Tower of Joy as confirmation. Though I think HBO also released an infographic or something that "confirmed" it outside the content of the show.
Rhaegar sent the best members of the kings guard to watch the baby.  Presumably, he would not do this unless it was his heir.  Especially during a war.

 

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