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The attack scene felt like I was watching a comic book movie. Did he jump down on a large plank of wood, crushing an enemy and then deliver a maniacal laugh? Maybe it was because I saw Dunkrik that afternoon, but the GoT naval battle was weak. How did he so easily find their ships and ram them in the middle of the night but yet none of Yara's fleet ever saw him coming until he rammed the boat?
Exactly on the Theon thing.
That's part of the problem. The apparent meat of the story isn't all that interesting. Dany and Jon are 2 of the most bland characters on the show. They are awesome when there is action (Battle of the Bastards, Hardhomme, torching slavers, flying on a dragon, etc) but when they are just leading or talking with others, they tend to be pretty boring. Some of dialogue explaining about Jon Snow to Dany and Dany to Jon Snow almost sounded like they were reading off a wikipedia page summary of events.
My interpretation of that scene was Nymeria is no longer the dire wolf puppy she was when she last saw her. Instead she's a vicious leader of a wolf pack. Just like Arya is no longer the innocent little girl she was but a vicious assassin. Nymeria is no longer Nymeria and Arya is no longer Arya.
this made no sense. and i agree the battle was bad. but reek running away was hilarious
maybe she heard most of the other stark wolves died and decided she wanted no part of being around a stark lol
This is the correct take imo -- go back to that scene in s1 when Ned is telling here that she's to marry, etc. and she simply responds "that's not me". Same thing this time around when she realizes the wolf isn't meant to be housebound -- "that's not you."
Yara and Theon supposedly had like 100 ships, right? None of them saw Urine coming? Yara and Theon's ship is the front of the pack and totally exposed? That was ridiculous. Might as well have had Urine in a U-boat shoot them with a torpedo.
"That's not you"... At first I thought it meant it was a different dire wolf. But then I thought it was what you said... she's not the loyal, dutiful and obedient pal any more: she has her own life and new loyalties.
Plus, it was like they weren't even expecting him and the largest Armada the seven kingdoms has ever seen to even exist.
I also wouldnt be shocked if that meeting with Nymeria makes her change her mind and head to Kings Landing instead of Winterfall as she realizes "that's not her" anymore either.
This.
My favorite part of the series has always been the world-building. Seeing all the other details outside of the main quest intrigues me as much as anything else.
For sure. All the good actors have been set aside for whatever reason. I did think the scenes with Dany and Varys and then the other meeting were pretty painful. Like you said, they are better in the epic moments, but they don't have the acting chops for these types of moments.
They didn't build Euron up properly, mainly because they didn't have his overall context lined out throughout all the books.
He was using his sword pretty good in that battle. (I see someone else pointed this out too)
Right, but supposedly Martin had told them awhile ago how it all is supposed to wrap up.
Yes, but telling them how it wraps up is nowhere near the same as writing the damn books.
Right. I wonder how much detail Martin gave about the ending. No matter what, I have to imagine the creators have outlined the ending for at least 3 years.
Plot - her wolf is still alive and recognizes her (because a girl is still arya stark off winterfell) and is in her general vicinity and is tall and mostly white with some dark fur and leads a pack of smaller wolves. They will show up in later episodes and will probably protect her but won't hang out with her.
You're joking right? Tyrion came up with the plan to lure Stanis' ships into the bay and burn them with wildfire. They won that battle because of Tyrion.
her for that.
I get what you're saying, but the show has to evolve. BB wasn't as good after Gus, but it was still very good and had to continually evolve. Sopranos quality declined after Tony Blundetto and Ralph stories wrapped up, but still an all timer.
Nice summary.People are #####ing about this episode? Damn. I thought it was great
Varys going toe-to-toe with Dany was a terrific scene. I think that's the first time we've seen them really interact and neither held back. Dany correctly calling out Varys for his duplicity in the past and Varys telling her why he did it and who he truly cares about. All the while Tyrion trying to place peacemaker. That was really well done by three terrific actors.
Looks like Prince Oberon was wrong about the Unsullied - they are impressive in the bedroom. Right Missandei?
Loved how Arya's reunion with Nymeria was bittersweet. Neither are the same and they can't just slide back into the roles they once had. Possible foreshadowing for when Arya returns to Winterfell and how dramatically she's changed since she left.
Also liked seeing Hot Pie again. Not only did it clearly show much Arya has changed since they last met but it also allowed her to make a joke about how she's made a pie which, of course, was baking Walder Frey's sons into a meat pie. Arya is one sick, twisted girl and I
I'm totally OK with an hour-long episode of Jon choking Little Finger. Maybe a few of them.
I guessed wrong on the gift Euron was getting for Cersei. I thought it would be Tyrion. Turns out it was revenge for Myrcella after all.
Theon's turn at the end was keeping in character. Keep in mind he'd always been a pretender. Pretending to be a Stark, pretending to be strong. When push comes to shove he's weak and that's what we saw when confronted by Euron and his sister's life in the balance. Theon was Theon in that moment.
I love the pace we're seeing. Euron meets with Cersei and promises her a gift and in the next episode he gets it. Most of us probably want to see the inevitable Dany-Jon meeting but they're not rushing that one which I also like. Plus, Dany's going Full Queen with Jon, wanting him to bend the knee when he arrives. That outta go over real well.
Agree with most of what you said - pace is a little hit or miss for me. I had fun, though.People are #####ing about this episode? Damn. I thought it was great
Varys going toe-to-toe with Dany was a terrific scene. I think that's the first time we've seen them really interact and neither held back. Dany correctly calling out Varys for his duplicity in the past and Varys telling her why he did it and who he truly cares about. All the while Tyrion trying to place peacemaker. That was really well done by three terrific actors.
Looks like Prince Oberon was wrong about the Unsullied - they are impressive in the bedroom. Right Missandei?
Loved how Arya's reunion with Nymeria was bittersweet. Neither are the same and they can't just slide back into the roles they once had. Possible foreshadowing for when Arya returns to Winterfell and how dramatically she's changed since she left.
Also liked seeing Hot Pie again. Not only did it clearly show much Arya has changed since they last met but it also allowed her to make a joke about how she's made a pie which, of course, was baking Walder Frey's sons into a meat pie. Arya is one sick, twisted girl and I
I'm totally OK with an hour-long episode of Jon choking Little Finger. Maybe a few of them.
I guessed wrong on the gift Euron was getting for Cersei. I thought it would be Tyrion. Turns out it was revenge for Myrcella after all.
Theon's turn at the end was keeping in character. Keep in mind he'd always been a pretender. Pretending to be a Stark, pretending to be strong. When push comes to shove he's weak and that's what we saw when confronted by Euron and his sister's life in the balance. Theon was Theon in that moment.
I love the pace we're seeing. Euron meets with Cersei and promises her a gift and in the next episode he gets it. Most of us probably want to see the inevitable Dany-Jon meeting but they're not rushing that one which I also like. Plus, Dany's going Full Queen with Jon, wanting him to bend the knee when he arrives. That outta go over real well.
Agree, with a 7 episode season too much talk and not enough action. I get the setup, but we are in season 7 already... cmon.
I highly doubt he just told them the final paragraph. I am sure they have tons of detail. And likely a copy of everything he has written.
That is starting to show, the way she spoke to Onella to put me off a bit. Queen she used to be past seasons would have done that. Strange.
It's in the genes, and Tyrion did give her a look when she said that too. He didn't seem to like that comment either.
Yup. Could be a foreshadowing that Dany isn't going to be the ruler we thought she might be. I like that she's not just all sweet and good. There are layers to her character. Always have been. And she's also dangerous and she knows it.
Correct, and combining all that with the Queen of Thorns telling her to ignore Tyrion and be the dragon (kind of reminds me of her brother always telling her not to awaken the dragon in him too). I think she might become something other than what we hoped/expected.
they needed a way for Arya to find out about Jon so that she could go home and Nymeria is clearly a setup for another episode.
I thought Olenna telling Dany not to trust Tyrion fully was interesting. Tyrion's Casterly Rock plan is damn smart. I know Olenna has it out for the Lannister's but she's seen enough of Tyrion to know he isn't like Cersei or Tywin so I wonder why she's driving a wedge between Dany and Tyrion.
Arya needed to have to confront her desire for revenge or going home. For the moment she's chosen to return home. I think that's rather important.
