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[NewlyRetired]

And FYI it is definitely Bronn who saves Jaime, not Dickon

BRONN

DICKON + BRONN

awesome screen capture!  

100% Bronn, I agree

 

[Zow]

The first time the other two dragons fly into battle against Cerci, they may as well be wearing red star trek shirts. Most tv viewers probably don't even know their names.

Haha they did try to remind us last episode when Dany explained to John they were named after her brothers.  At that point I still didn't even know their names. 

 

[The Indestructible]

You guys miss the part where Jamie was looking down at the guy sinking to the bottom?  It looked like Bronn saved Jamie and is seen sinking.  If they were going to kill off Jamie there they wouldn't have dove in the water, they would have had him just go up in dragon flames.

Also, dragon not dead, was just used to show they have a weapon that make them vulnerable.  

Sorry, that is very clearly Jamie sinking in the water at the end.

 

[Zow]

I thought the scene where she named them was pretty cool but yeah, when people can't even remember Sam's name, calling him Jon's fat friend, you certainly have a point.

I pay attention. I've gone back and re-watched prior episodes in preparation for this season and season 4. I participant in this thread.  I'll occasionally watch a youtube clip from some nerd analyzing plot points if I have nothing better to watch while eating a quick lunch.  I like to think I'm a relatively smart guy. 

And keeping names straight in this show is downright impossible.  

 

[the moops]

And here is actually a better capture

100% Bronn

Here is the horse he was eyeing right after he almost got torched. Same horse

 

[Carver]

Did the spoiler tag code change on here?

 

[Sinn Fein]

So, three episodes left - seems like a lot to pack into them

- Daenerys v. Cersei seems destined for a climax of some sort - no, not that climax.  I imagine it could involve Cersei's death, because another battle in the south seems unlikely in the next 3 episodes.  Could also see Daenerys abandon her quest temporarily to go help Jon - ties in with her earlier vision of showing up in a hollowed out shell of the throne room with Snow falling.

- Obviously something is going to happen at the Eastwatch-by-the-Sea castle.  The ice keeps showing up more and more in the opening credits.  Brotherhood and Tormund will be there, and presumably Jon and Davos make it also.  I can see Daenerys and a dragon or two also making the trip - separately so they can swoop in when all seems lost for Jon.

- Samwell has to discover one more thing at the Citadel and then get that information to Jon.

- Seems like a reunion is in order at Winterfell with Jon and Arya (hopefully) and Jon and Bran.

- Not sure Littlefinger is destined to live out this season - maybe he survives until the final season.  Bran knows too much for him to live until the end.

- Theon re-taking the Iron Islands.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Did the spoiler tag code change on here?

Spoiler

no

 

[Thunderlips]

If Jaime was to die he would have gotten torched by the dragon. Make sno sense for him to be saved only to die in the water.

If it's coming from Martin......maybe not.  

 

[Carver]

Is the dragon dead?

2 dragons left? 

Spoiler

The only dragon that dies is struck down by the Night King and reanimated into a bad ### ice breathing beast, who obliterates the wall.

 

[Tom Hagen]

And here is actually a better capture

100% Bronn

Here is the horse he was eyeing right after he almost got torched. Same horse

Drogon looks huge compared to Dany in that picture,  They're going to need a bigger bolt.

 

[Carver]

Spoiler

no

Spoiler

wurd

 

[The Indestructible]

- Theon re-taking the Iron Islands.

Really?  Interesting.  He doesn't quite seem capable of this and I'm not even sure he wants it.  I can't quite figure out what his role will be going forward, but this is something I hadn't considered.  I think he is prime bait for a sacrificial death to save somebody else, but who knows?

 

[Quint]

gotta say, watching it again: the Dothraki archers hopping up on their saddles and shooting arrows, in full gallop, at the Lannisters was pretty awesome. 

 

[tonydead]

Sorry, that is very clearly Jamie sinking in the water at the end.

Yep, you're right.  Link.  Bronn wasn't wearing a suit of armor and will likely be able to save him, again.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Callback, fwiw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekGeFt_Za0s

Post show clips, writers likened it to the return of Odysseus 

 

[tonydead]

And here is actually a better capture

100% Bronn

Here is the horse he was eyeing right after he almost got torched. Same horse

And look as the size of the little toothpick sticking out of the dragon.  Surprised it even brought him to the ground.

 

[kentric]

Drogon looks huge compared to Dany in that picture,  They're going to need a bigger bolt.

Like what you did here.  ;-)

 

[culdeus]

Great episode.

I think Jamie is dead. They showed it. I don't think the series has done the 'he jumped out of the car before it went off the cliff' type of thing yet. Hound was closest but every other time a death is shown, it's done.

I also think Dragon number 1 is dead. Anti-aircraft thing did it's job. 3 dragons vs. undead is too easy. All sides keep taking their lumps.

Nice job of Dothraki hoard using the teleporter to somehow get west of King's Landing unnoticed, and at the same time the first-priority gold arrives. Surprised the geography and timing not complained about yet. 

Even if not the best battle of the series since it shared the episode, it was totally edge of seat and I loved not knowing what was going to happen or who was going to bite it.

Hard to discuss this when they answered those questions 60 seconds after the credits. 

 

[kentric]

While Dany probably did not know this, they did make it abundantly clear during the dialogue that this was just the last few remaining soldiers that were lagging behind.  It was far from the full forces.  

I think Dany's side would have loved for the full force of Kings Landing to come running to the rescue.  They wouldn't last long on the open plains again the Dothraki hoard.

 

[Quint]

Bronn with, "Come on you ######!" while getting ready to shoot the dragon reminded me a lot of Chief Brody and, "Smile you son-of-a-#####!" before he shot the tank in Jaws. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And here is actually a better capture

100% Bronn

Here is the horse he was eyeing right after he almost got torched. Same horse

Yeah that is Bronn.  Dickon was wearing big silver metal armor that the guy in the pic clearly was not.

 

[packersfan]

I honestly didn't know these things. 

Not being a Richard but you really thought Jon was dead for good?

 

[El Floppo]

And here is actually a better capture

100% Bronn

Here is the horse he was eyeing right after he almost got torched. Same horse

good thing jamie didn't ride the horse a foot or so to the right... would've fallen into that bottomless underwater ravine before Bronn even got the chance to save him.

and yeah- would be a strange and underwhelming way to kill one of the series' main characters who's character arc still has places to go.

and getting back to the dragon... not even mostly dead. but beating the dragon dead... why burn up the wagons at all? why not fire up the troops and let more dothraki live to go after the wagons themselves. whatever's in them is worthwhile to an army. why destroy all of it?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I honestly didn't know these things. 

Even if you couldn't put them together yourself, both were mentioned three thousand times in this thread leading up to the events.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Bronn with, "Come on you ######!" while getting ready to shoot the dragon reminded me a lot of Chief Brody and, "Smile you son-of-a-#####!" before he shot the tank in Jaws. 

Thought of the same exact thing when this was happening.

 

[packersfan]

The first time the other two dragons fly into battle against Cerci, they may as well be wearing red star trek shirts. Most tv viewers probably don't even know their names.

She told us in the last episode she named them after her brothers.

One of whom is Jon's dad. 

 

[Bob Sacamano]

There's no way Jamie is dead. 

What is dead may never die.

 

[El Floppo]

I honestly didn't know these things. 

Even if you couldn't put them together yourself, both were mentioned three thousand times in this thread leading up to the events.

yeah... those were big ticket telegraphed items- pretty hard to miss even if you're only watching the show and not reading about it anywhere (including here).

 

[tonydead]

good thing jamie didn't ride the horse a foot or so to the right... would've fallen into that bottomless underwater ravine before Bronn even got the chance to save him.

Good point.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Bronn cracking up at that guy being names "Dickon" was pretty much the highlight of the entire series.

 

[El Floppo]

speaking of LF.... he's pretty much cast his fate to the wind here, right? by having the knights of the vale or whatever choose jon snow's side. not sure what his play is that could get him back to a cercei run king's landing and somehow conspire to take her side. why would she trust him (barring bringing her the heads of all the stark kids)?

 

[dhockster]

Bronn with, "Come on you ######!" while getting ready to shoot the dragon reminded me a lot of Chief Brody and, "Smile you son-of-a-#####!" before he shot the tank in Jaws. 

If anyone should get to rehash a classic movie line, it should be Bronn.

 

[packersfan]

Bronn cracking up at that guy being names "Dickon" was pretty much the highlight of the entire series.

One of the many great things about this show is how they can have secondary characters given little to do but absolutely crush everything they do. Bronn was money last night.

As usual.

 

[El Floppo]

I keep offering quibbles, but damn I loved that episode.

pacing was great, as was the writing. the battle was fantastic. great to see the dragons in play. great to see the dothraki in play. great to see all the stark kids reunited. great to see jon and danny looking like they're on the same side. great to see davos' grammar nazi again. great to see bronn, breanne and everything else, including that weird tree for the first time.

 

[thecatch]

speaking of LF.... he's pretty much cast his fate to the wind here, right? by having the knights of the vale or whatever choose jon snow's side. not sure what his play is that could get him back to a cercei run king's landing and somehow conspire to take her side. why would she trust him (barring bringing her the heads of all the stark kids)?

I don't see Cersei taking him back (or him wanting to side with her) but he's got one more big play for personal power coming up, I'm sure. 

 

[Zow]

Not being a Richard but you really thought Jon was dead for good?

Not with certainty.  I genuinely didn't know if he was gonna come back or not.  I was being critical of the poster that I quoted in that I disagree that it was blatantly obvious.  I thought it plausible that he could be dead given that this show has killed off main characters at the ends of previous seasons. 

 

[packersfan]

Not with certainty.  I genuinely didn't know if he was gonna come back or not.  I was being critical of the poster that I quoted in that I disagree that it was blatantly obvious.  I thought it plausible that he could be dead given that this show has killed off main characters at the ends of previous seasons. 

Fair enough. I get it. I thought there was a 0% chance he was dead. At the time, he was far too important to the story. I think it's more possible he could die now but I don't think it will happen until he finds out his true parentage. And even then I think he'll live because they've already played the Jon Snow is dead card once before.

 

[El Floppo]

I don't see Cersei taking him back (or him wanting to side with her) but he's got one more big play for personal power coming up, I'm sure. 

with Jon, Dany and Cercei all firmly in front of him (rightfully of not) to the throne, he's got to thin the herd somehow. marrying sansa won't give him much of anything in terms of his overall plan.

and damn- that link posted earlier showing his and varys' scene covering the "chaos is a ladder" comment- it's amazing how ruthless and cut-throat he's always been... but only allows himself to show in front of a perceived bottom/middle-runger in varys.

 

[Mavis]

Did the spoiler tag code change on here?

I dont know anything about spoiler rules or that, as I hope there are not any. Just a standard code amongst brethren, I suppose. 

BUT...

Why are you in a Game of Thrones discussion thread if you have not watched the latest knowing what will be in here? 

 

[KarmaPolice]

But those kind of curveballs are what really made this show great, right?

The story of a boy who was out for vengeance against a corrupt king that wrongly executed his father.  A boy who became king of the North, who built his forces and marched south for one last great batt.....Oh wait nevermind, he dead.

Some of the big plot points have become kind of predictable lately.  Everyone knew Jon Snow was going to get resurrected.  Everyone knew the Knights of the Vale were going to ride in at the last minute to save the day at BotB.  It would have been a neat little twist and in the show's character to guide Jamie towards redemption and the overwhelming prediction that he's going to kill Cersei, only to cut it short.

But yes, I agree, in the current show there is little chance Jamie is dead.  He will likely escape from the water off screen and continue down his path of redemption which ends with him killing Mad Queen Cersei, which will come as a complete shock to all the Noonan's out there that watch the show while playing Words With Friends.

The curveballs used to be a big part, but can't remember that many Oh crap deaths of people that we liked in the last few seasons.  At it's peak we had Ned, Tyrion taking out Pops and Shae, Red Wedding, Oberyn, etc..  Now as the cast gets whittled down that doesn't seem to happen as much.  Fake out deaths of The Hound and Jon, this week with Jamie (0% chance he is dead) have been more the norm the last couple seasons.  i am sure I am forgetting something (I guess closest was last season's explosion?), just saying that it feels like nobody of consequence is in jeopardy anymore.  This episode could have used that oh #### moment with Bronn or Jamie biting it for sure. 

 

[eoMMan]

I would have like the episode much more if Jaime clearly died at the end. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Drag-on's gonna bob Jamie outta there imo.

 

[packersfan]

I would have liked the episode more if Missandei and Dany had re-enacted how Missandei and Grey Worm did the sexy.

 

[eoMMan]

Drag-on's gonna bob Jamie outta there imo.

But wouldn't his teef be hot from all that fire breathing?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Great episode.

I think Jamie is dead. They showed it. I don't think the series has done the 'he jumped out of the car before it went off the cliff' type of thing yet. Hound was closest but every other time a death is shown, it's done.

I also think Dragon number 1 is dead. Anti-aircraft thing did it's job. 3 dragons vs. undead is too easy. All sides keep taking their lumps.

Nice job of Dothraki hoard using the teleporter to somehow get west of King's Landing unnoticed, and at the same time the first-priority gold arrives. Surprised the geography and timing not complained about yet. 

Even if not the best battle of the series since it shared the episode, it was totally edge of seat and I loved not knowing what was going to happen or who was going to bite it.

I noticed, but I think we just have to accept this stuff for anything more exciting than Dany sitting on her butt on Dragonstone.

But yeah, one would assume that with Euron's million ships and Dany taking 2 severe losses with her ships that:  1.  She would have difficulty having moving the Dothraki army and 2. Euron would still have ships all over Blackwater protecting King's Landing, which means you'd think they would be right on any movement from the island and would damn near have a choke hold on people coming and going around the area (ie - his brother's ship and Theon, Jon).  None of that is fun TV though. 

ETA:  after I typed that, I realized they probably can't get close enough to get their ships torched by dragons either, no nevermind...   Figured Cersei might have fit one of the ships with a scorpion at least.

 

[packersfan]

Tyrion is watching everything happening with Jamie and Dany. I doubt he just stands there and does nothing as he sees his brother going into the water. Could definitely see him getting Jamie out while telling Dany who Jamie is and what a valuable prisoner he'll be. 

 

[Slapdash]

I would have like the episode much more if Jaime clearly died at the end. 

Yeah.  Still not sure how they let Bronn and Jaime survive that.

 

[kupcho1]

She needs money and doesn't have any more. The only way to borrow more was to pay off the debt. 

The Lannister army just delivered truckloads of gold.  That's money.

No need to borrow anymore.  That's cash on hand. 

Now, if she wants to maintian good relations with the Iron bank, she can make interest payments, or pay down the debt.  But to pay it off and then immediately borrow it again?  Makes no sense.

 

[kentric]

The Lannister army just delivered truckloads of gold.  That's money.

No need to borrow anymore.  That's cash on hand. 

Now, if she wants to maintian good relations with the Iron bank, she can make interest payments, or pay down the debt. But to pay it off and then immediately borrow it again?  Makes no sense.

I was thinking the same thing.  Makes no sense to say, "Ok. Loan paid in full, here's some gold to support your needs."