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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)

I'd have bought Dany's heel turn a lot better without the bells chiming.  That's the part that really galls me.  I'm fine, creatively, with her getting lost in a power vortex as she flambes a city, but the conscious decision to press on despite surrender is where I have an issue.  Like, maybe have one of the city defenders head to the bell to ring it but Grey Worm or someone with a huge ax to grind impales him first.  Though having John Snow mistake the would be bell ringers intentions before killing him that feels more on brand than anything.  

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
That's pretty good, and pretty much how I felt after the episode, before I thought about it all some more. 

I liked this one because of the cinemetograhpy in particular. Just good TV, period. I was, in fact, surprised that so many people in here liked the episode as much as they did. I did, but I'm not a tough critic like many in here are, NTTAWWT. I liked the episode despite disagreeing with the direction they took many of the characters. And that quote from the article above explains a good bit of why lots of people have complaints.  And, in this thread, I think that's what people have been essentially saying with the "it feels too rushed" comments.  I am guessing that looking back, the writers will also realize that, hey maybe we should have fleshed that out a bit more in the lead-up to the final season, to spread out the "turn" a bit more so it wasn't so blunt force trauma like.
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Good post.

I've been thinking about it since the episode aired.  Trying to see all perspectives.  I think the part of the article you quoted is as far as I can get.  It is not that she couldn't break bad, it is that they didn't do the work to make it compelling.

I know others disagree, which is fine.  I still love the show and will be popcorn in hand this sunday.

 
So WTF did The Hound not give Arya the words of wisdom on the road instead of waiting until they were in a damn crumbling building??? 

;)

 
KarmaPolice said:
So WTF did The Hound not give Arya the words of wisdom on the road instead of waiting until they were in a damn crumbling building??? 

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i dont' think they were planning on having to rush into the city as it was being burned to the ground by a crazy blonde chick on a dragon.   At that point Hound realized this was pointless to waste Arya's life as he said "she's already dead"  and wanted to save her life, again.   His story was consistent with Arya, he always wanted to protect her.   He truly was a great man, and one of the few in this series with noble intentions, no strings attached.

Arya, for maybe the first time in her life, was jolted back to humanity, away from Terminator mode, by Hounds words.   She was given a final gift and accepted it

 
tommyboy said:
i dont' think they were planning on having to rush into the city as it was being burned to the ground by a crazy blonde chick on a dragon.   At that point Hound realized this was pointless to waste Arya's life as he said "she's already dead"  and wanted to save her life, again.   His story was consistent with Arya, he always wanted to protect her.   He truly was a great man, and one of the few in this series with noble intentions, no strings attached.

Arya, for maybe the first time in her life, was jolted back to humanity, away from Terminator mode, by Hounds words.   She was given a final gift and accepted it
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don't think so.   she's still faceless man, and Cersei was pretty much as good as dead already.  no reason for her to give herself up to finish it herself.   Dany's on her list now.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Is Bran out of the show now, or will he warg into Drogon and let Jon and Co. take out Dany?
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He said he lives mostly in the past now.  He's done with the whole thing.   

 
Neo said:
That is pretty spot on when you come to think of it. 
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Lol yep and had Arya just waited a flight of stairs down, Cersei comes down by herself for what would be a ridiculously easy kill.

 
stbugs said:
Lol yep and had Arya just waited a flight of stairs down, Cersei comes down by herself for what would be a ridiculously easy kill.
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Yet from Arya's standpoint, she seemed to understand the kill had lost its value - Cersei was suddenly a pathetic figure.  I was trying to decipher if Arya was working to understand, or figure out her role in, the necessary killing of another queen.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Dummies:

She doesn't have one of those little radars like you do on video games that shows you where the bad guy is. Cersei could've already evacuated for all Arya knew. The whole place was coming down. She could've been waiting there and had the ceiling come down on her head. I really wonder about some of "you people."
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:goodposting:   :lmao:  

 
-fish- said:
He said he lives mostly in the past now.  He's done with the whole thing.   
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Yeah. Can’t see Bran having anything to do in the last episode.  He has no interest in being human, really.  He can barely bring himself to finish a coherent sentence.  

Just surgically attach him to a Weirwood tree and visit when things go to ####?

 
tri-man 47 said:
Yet from Arya's standpoint, she seemed to understand the kill had lost its value - Cersei was suddenly a pathetic figure.  I was trying to decipher if Arya was working to understand, or figure out her role in, the necessary killing of another queen.
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I can’t say I enjoyed them using the whole scared Arya again, we saw that at Winterfell when it made sense. That said, I was just laughing at the irony that Arya could have just pondered waiting for the Hound for a minute and Cersei would have bumped into her. 

Good Posting Judge said:
Dummies:

She doesn't have one of those little radars like you do on video games that shows you where the bad guy is. Cersei could've already evacuated for all Arya knew. The whole place was coming down. She could've been waiting there and had the ceiling come down on her head. I really wonder about some of "you people."
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Listen dummy, calm you ### down. I was just laughing at how easy that kill could have been if Arya just stayed for a minute. Reminds me of all the fireside chats of episode 2 this season and then realizing after episode 3 that everyone except Jorah lived including the 50% of the unsullied and Dothraki left who must have gone to take a leak during the battle.

 
Buckychudd said:
I'm calling BS that she knew how it was going to play out after the first two seasons.
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Did not read it - but the vision Daenerys had in season 2 showed a burned out Throne Room with ashes still falling.  I think more than a few people assumed Kings Landing would be destroyed at that point.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Did not read it - but the vision Daenerys had in season 2 showed a burned out Throne Room with ashes still falling.  I think more than a few people assumed Kings Landing would be destroyed at that point.
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It wasn't ashes it was snow. A crap ton of snow, you know back when everyone but her thought the others were going to be critical to the end game.

 
Buckychudd said:
I'm calling BS that she knew how it was going to play out after the first two seasons.
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Pretty much what every defender is saying on the Internet since Sunday night: all the signs were there, blah blah.  Yeah, along with a bunch of conflicting signs, more of those, in fact.  

I'm not super-invested in the series so I don't care that Benioff and Weiss "ruined" it, but good lord these "all the signs were there derp" takes are annoying and disingenuous.  

 
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tonydead said:
@KarmaPolice

Here is where Hound, Arya and Jamie enter Kings Landing right before they shut the doors and before the #### hits the fan.   

Later on after the war breaks out Hound and Arya make it past the Red Keep doors and Jamie is shut out.  
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@tonydead - I got all that, my question was if there was regular people inside the Red Keep walls.  

Not a big deal, like I said I was just my original thought when she was perched on the outer walls that she would take off to the RK and burn that down with Cersei in it, and maybe a little collateral damage would come that way (not a ton - just enough to rule by fear and show that she would kill others to get the Queen) and do what Tyrion and others didn't want her to do - take out innocents too.   Didn't see basically ignoring the keep in order to mow the whole town down -including Jon and her troops for all she knew.  

 
It seems like some would rather the first 68 episodes were made less enjoyable and of lower quality for the sole purpose of telegraphing the ending.

Is that what's going on here?  :confused:

Soprano's had it right all along, leave'em hangin' and rock out to Journey.

It's gonna be a long time before we see another $90 million dollar season of a series, might as well enjoy it.

 
KarmaPolice said:
@tonydead - I got all that, my question was if there was regular people inside the Red Keep walls.  

Not a big deal, like I said I was just my original thought when she was perched on the outer walls that she would take off to the RK and burn that down with Cersei in it, and maybe a little collateral damage would come that way (not a ton - just enough to rule by fear and show that she would kill others to get the Queen) and do what Tyrion and others didn't want her to do - take out innocents too.   Didn't see basically ignoring the keep in order to mow the whole town down -including Jon and her troops for all she knew.  
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Moot.

A few hundred/thousand would die from the debris and chaos alone in the scenario you're described.

Dany literally just burnt a million people.  Not sure if everyone realizes just how big King's Landing was.

 
I've seen a million faces and I burned them all.

I'm a mad Queen, on a dragon I ride

I'm wanted (wanted), dead or alive

 
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sho nuff said:
To me, the biggest complaint shouldn't be about Dany's turn here...but how much "winter is coming" and the long winter and all of that was built up for years only to really give it one big episode to end it. 
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I don't understand this complaint.  If you look back at all the previous seasons and really think this was only the focus of one episode you're delusional.

 
hooter311 said:
Moot.

A few hundred/thousand would die from the debris and chaos alone in the scenario you're described.

Dany literally just burnt a million people.  Not sure if everyone realizes just how big King's Landing was.
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Not if she just took out the Red Keep to get to Cersei. 

I guess I would see it as the blind rage took over and she didn't care is people collaterally to get Cersei (what I believe Tyrion was talking her out of)  vs. flying around to make sure everybody was BBQ before taking out Cersei.  

 
The music and sound, again, was brilliant.

The bass and beat while the montage buildup scenes of everyone getting ready for the siege was just....perfect.

 
johnadams said:
I'd have bought Dany's heel turn a lot better without the bells chiming.  That's the part that really galls me.  I'm fine, creatively, with her getting lost in a power vortex as she flambes a city, but the conscious decision to press on despite surrender is where I have an issue.  Like, maybe have one of the city defenders head to the bell to ring it but Grey Worm or someone with a huge ax to grind impales him first.  Though having John Snow mistake the would be bell ringers intentions before killing him that feels more on brand than anything.  
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But, then it would have been justified as an act of war.  That wasn't the point.  The point was that she had "turned" mad.  

 
Aerial Assault said:
I'm not super-invested in the series so I don't care that Benioff and Weiss "ruined" it, but good lord these "all the signs were there derp" takes are annoying and disingenuous.  
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So are all of the “this was completely out of her character” takes.

The only reason people are saying that is to combat all the faux, or in some cases real, outrage about Dany nuking KL.

 
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hooter311 said:
Moot.

A few hundred/thousand would die from the debris and chaos alone in the scenario you're described.

Dany literally just burnt a million people.  Not sure if everyone realizes just how big King's Landing was.
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Half a million, according to Jamie when he was telling Qyburn about killing the Mad King

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Trying to think this through a little, but Jon killing Dany is a problem.

The Dothraki and Unsullied are loyal to her and only her.  If he kills her, they are going to kill him and probably everyone else around them as they go off the deep end because neither group is a governing force.  Greyworm is all about revenge now anyway.  And there is no army in Westeros left that can stand against them.  So in order for Jon to kill Dany they have to have switched sides, gone home to the east, or..... something.  Maybe Dany kills them all in a fit of rage with Drogon?  That would be...…. sadistically interesting.
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Just saw this - not to mention the dragon.  WTF this that thing going to do without Mommy?   So if Dany dies does:

- the dragon need to be dead?

- Tyrion/Jon/somebody have to make a big speech and somehow get the Dothraki and Unsullied convinced not to go ape-#### if Dany dies?

- was the NK a foreshadow and Dany's dragons and forces become inept or die if she dies??!! 

That's why I was just asking about if this thing could end with her ruling and alone - basically taking the Mad King/Cersei role to a new height.  If so, what does that mean for the rest of our gang - dead, hiding in Essos or the Iron Islands, ??

Just trying to wrap my head around the implications of her dying and her ending up ruling.  I don't see a middle ground, like her going into hiding or something.  

 
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