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Game Thread - DEN @ BUF (1 Viewer)
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SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
That was an amazing finish.
videoguy505
Footballguy
They don't spike the ball on 1st down with 10 ticks left, they rush the FG unit on the field with only a second to spare.
TheBigHouse
Footballguy
Gus Johnson rocks
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LordOpie
Guest
what a fun end to the game!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I hate this Buffalo team. HTF can you choke away the season opener EVERY SINGLE YEAR!? 
Elway Lives
Footballguy
Elam does not sux0r.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Wow, awesome win at the end. That is nice to see, too, as it seems like, since Elway's retirement, the Broncos always seemed to lose those close ones at the end. Nice to see them win one at the end for a change.
1-2-many
Footballguy
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LordOpie
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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Cutler showed a lot here, IMO...
Fought through some struggles, made big plays with his arm and his legs when he needed to, and drove the team down for the winning FG...
Ended up with over 300 yards passing and a TD...
VERY impressed with Cutler today...
Fought through some struggles, made big plays with his arm and his legs when he needed to, and drove the team down for the winning FG...
Ended up with over 300 yards passing and a TD...
VERY impressed with Cutler today...
Elway Lives
Footballguy
Like I said, HUGE difference in attitude there between Cutler's offense and Plummer's last year. I don't expect Denver to do all that well this year, but they showed a ton of determination on that last drive especially, and Cutler did not play like his rookie self from last year (usually
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Man, my doctor said I needed to reduce my stress. If the Broncos do this to me all year, I won't be alive for the playoffs.
What a great game and Gus Johnson can do all the Broncos games as far as I am concerned.
What a great game and Gus Johnson can do all the Broncos games as far as I am concerned.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
Jay Cutler
Appreciate him.
Appreciate him.
Elway Lives
Footballguy
One worry I have is with Henry. Is he possibly going to make it through the entire season without being seriously injured?
HellToupee
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The thing I always hated about Tom Donahoe's Bills squads was how they never learned how to fininsh games and seal away the win. Glad to see Marv is turning things around. Nice job, guys.
Bills D is brutal. Not sure there's a clutch player among them.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
It helps to have a good running game, of course. But he did something with it.
MogusMaximus
Footballguy
That was a great run. I was pumped we had the stop and then all of the sudden SQUIRT!, he pops through. He's going to be good.
MogusMaximus
Footballguy
Champ Bailey + Dre Bly. That's what happened
Looks like rumors of the demise of Denver's running game have been greatly exaggerated. See you all in about 9 months when the talk about how overrated Denver's running game is and how they're really not that far ahead of the pack resurfaces again.
GREAT defense by the Denver DBs. He had his one chance to make a play (you know he's going to get at least one shot every week), and Losman overthrew him by a step or two on what would have otherwise been a HUGE gainer. Buffalo really caught Denver napping on that one by throwing deep on 3rd-and-moderate very late in the game when they really just needed to get a first down and ice the clock, which meant Denver was playing up on the run and Evans managed to get behind Bailey before Champ realized what was going on. Great playcalling, good play by Evans, but in the end, there's a reason why they're called "low-percentage passes".
Cutler's always been as much of a gunslinger as Plummer. Remember, Plummer developed his gambling streak because he played for a bad Arizona franchise. If he played it safe, Arizona would lose. If he gambled and lost, Arizona would lose. If he gambled and won, Arizona would stand a chance. That sort of thing definitely leaves players looking to force things from time to time. Anyway, Cutler played college ball at Vanderbilt, which is sort of like the Arizona Cardinals of the SEC, only worse.
When the RB motioned out of the backfield, I was yelling "THIS DAMN WELL BETTER BE A QUARTERBACK KEEPER" at the TV, while the other people in the bar were giving me funny looks.
Denver outgained Buffalo 470-184. They committed 3 penalties, and were even in the turnover column. They got 23 first downs and allowed 13. They had 6.6 yards per offensive play, and 3.9 yards allowed per defensive play. Their starting RB averaged over 6 yards per attempt, and their starting QB leads all passers in passing yardage so far this week. Meanwhile, Buffalo's passing game didn't crack 50 net passing yards (FIFTY!). Buffalo was only in the game because of one decent drive and a huge, flukey punt return. Denver actually played VERY well, much better than the final margin of victory would indicate.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Agree with everything but the "flukey" comment. Buffalo has awesome special teams. There's nothing flukey about that. And Parrish is an fantastic returner.Buffalo's injuries already this season are sickening:
Ellison: High ankle sprain
Ryan Denny: Broken Ankle
Ko Simpson: Broken Ankle
Jason Webster: Broken Arm
Coy Wire: Sprained MCL
Kevin Everett: Cervical spine injury
videoguy505
Footballguy
So what if it's a spine injury and he was unconscious. No excuse for two of his teammates to not roll him off the field! :X
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
, except about the punt return being a fluke.
Porkchop Express
Footballguy
Sadly your attitude is all too common. What a jerk.If you're talking about karma, obviously, I'd have worse things to worry about than having a "nice season". Of course, you all know I'm right: There is NO risk of further injury by moving the guy that's "shook up" off the field to examine him instead of makeing time STOP and doing it on the field.With comments like that, you can expect to have a nice season, guy.OK, I will eagerly await your report from the team's website as to whether the guy's in critical condition or not. I'm sure we're all on pins and needles.Go home, Homer.Uhhh, obviously they've got to MOVE the guy anyway. What's the difference if it's into a stretcher or onto an ambulance? Get his butt off the field and move on. They DO THAT EVERY TIME EVENTUALLY ANYWAY, so why not get the game moving?You move a head/neck injury as little as possible, especially one that serious. Sorry to inconvenience you.
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Buffalo has AMAZING special teams, but iirc, nobody has ever returned more than 4 punts for TDs in a single season. Any play that happens *AT MOST* 4 times a year is, in my mind, a pretty fluky play that isn't going to happen very reliably in the future. I really didn't mean this as a shot at Buffalo, who really have been one of the bastions of special teams play in the league, it's just not the sort of thing they can ever count on to consistently keep them in games like it did this week. I consider INT returns for TDs to be fluky plays, too, even though I think some CBs are better at it than others.GroveDiesel said:Agree with everything but the "flukey" comment. Buffalo has awesome special teams. There's nothing flukey about that. And Parrish is an fantastic returner.Buffalo's injuries already this season are sickening:Ellison: High ankle sprainRyan Denny: Broken AnkleKo Simpson: Broken AnkleJason Webster: Broken ArmCoy Wire: Sprained MCLKevin Everett: Cervical spine injury
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
That's all well and good, but it took absolutely BONE HEADED plays by Lynch (going out of bounds) and the Bills OC (deep pass to Evans on 3rd down) down the stretch and 2 fourth down conversions to win in Buffalo at the buzzer.The Donks escaped today, and really dodged a bullet. I was cursing the Bills in my LT2 jersey this afternoon - I thought my Bolts were getting a gift from Buffalo this morning.SSOG said:
BoltBacker
Footballguy
As was I but it was pretty obvious to me that DEN was just dominating that game. It took a few Aaron Brooks moments by Cutler and a bunch of misses by Jason Elam for BUF to hang with DEN today. Parrish is a good returner and I wouldn't call that the fluke but Elam is not going to kick that poorly often. Didn't his first FG make bounce off the upright? The only good kick he had was the last one.... probably helped him to have no time to think about the kick, just run on the field and let muscle memory take over. That was the most amazing kick-team-transition I've ever seen.It was the type of victory a playoff team finds a way to win and overcome its own mistakes. DEN is very much for real and people trying to convince themselves IND/NE/SD are in a class above them are kidding themselves. BAL may also sneak into the group if you ask me.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I wonder if this game will make NFLN's replay games? I'd love to see that transition. I don't know how it's even possible to get everyone on the field and set for the required time in just 11 seconds. Why didn't they spike the ball to stop the clock?
MogusMaximus
Footballguy
I think Shanahan did it for exactly the reason BoltBacker suggested and that is Elam was having a bad day and Shanahan didn't want him to have time to think about it.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
OK, I will eagerly await your report from the team's website as to whether the guy's in critical condition or not. I'm sure we're all on pins and needles.Go home, Homer.Uhhh, obviously they've got to MOVE the guy anyway. What's the difference if it's into a stretcher or onto an ambulance? Get his butt off the field and move on. They DO THAT EVERY TIME EVENTUALLY ANYWAY, so why not get the game moving?You move a head/neck injury as little as possible, especially one that serious. Sorry to inconvenience you.
Emergency surgery and Intensive Care. Completely classless human being. Should get banned until Everett plays again.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Uhhh, obviously they've got to MOVE the guy anyway. What's the difference if it's into a stretcher or onto an ambulance? Get his butt off the field and move on. They DO THAT EVERY TIME EVENTUALLY ANYWAY, so why not get the game moving?
I don't think so. Elam's got ice in his veins. He has 15 NFL seasons, 2 superbowls, and 21 game-winners on his resume. Mike Shanahan actually stopped calling timeouts to ice opposing kickers because Elam once told him that he actually RELISHED the other team calling a timeout, because it gave him more time to prep his spot. You don't last a decade and a half as a kicker in the league unless you have a very short memory and nerves of steel.The real reason they didn't spike it seems pretty straightforward to me- they simply didn't know whether they'd convert or not. The play before was a 3rd-and-10 play with 18 seconds left. Obviously, if that play failed, they couldn't spike the ball, or they'd turn it over on downs. As a result, they had to have the FG team standing by ready to run on the field in case the ball was caught but was short of the first down. After that, you can't say "If it converts, run on the field, otherwise stay on the sideline and they'll spike the ball for you", because that might cause someone on the unit to hesitate for a second trying to decide if the play converted or was short, and obviously if you hesitate for a moment, time runs out. No, the ONLY way Denver could have played that 3rd-and-10 with 18 seconds left is if everyone had a clear understanding that, regardless of what the outcome of the play was, the FG team was coming on and the offense was coming off IMMEDIATELY after it was over. Since they converted, it seems a bit silly that they didn't spike the ball, but in reality, it was the only logical way to play that final series.
HellToupee
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
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LordOpie
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Dude, it has NOTHING to do with the FACT that he went for lifesaving surgery.That's proper procedure EVERY time. As for why the quick FG attempt... Shanny and staff didn't know hat down it was. Cutler did and when he saw the FG unit running on the field, he was like, "WTF?"
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
doublemad sweeney said:
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Good job.
ATC1
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Oh, I wasn't saying that's the reason Shanny did it.... just that it probably didn't hurt considering the circumstances. You can also rattle off a bunch of impressive statistics for Mike Vanderjagt's career. It a guys having a bad game it's pretty easy for it to snowball.Isn't there a "STL" rule out there where the offensive team has to be completely set or if there's an illegal motion penalty at the end of a half the offense is penalized by time being run off the clock?? In this case it was probably a lot easier for the kicking team to be waiting on the sidelines ready to line up correctly in time with no penalty than hoping all the receivers can get back to their position and set to spike the ball.Either way it was a great play by DEN and it's the type of smart play a championship caliber team makes. I don't like shanny but you have to give him and his ST coach their props for having his team ready to execute that under the gun like that.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Good of you to post that. We can all use reminders that it's (football and fantasy football) just a game. It's a shame something like this had to happen to bring that out for us.I say "us" because, even though we had a go round yesterday, I didn't really think it would be this serious, either. I thought better safe than sorry. Now we're all sorry. Very sad start to the season. Again, glad you posted that. Hope folks with 20/20 hindsight realize we all make mistakes.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think you might have hit the nail on the head. A hurried spike risks a penalty that takes 10 seconds off the clock (and ends the game). They probably practice the hurry-up in practice all the time.What amazes me is how they did it to perfection with really no time to spare, not even a second. You can bet that play will be seen in the film room of every NFL special teams meeting. It's textbook.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
And not a single player with so much as a head bob when you watch it in slow motion. I can't stand DEN but THAT is the definition of good coaching.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Any offensive penalty in the last minute (maybe 2?) that stops the clock results in a 10 second runoff. St Louis (the source of your stl?) thought they won last year when there was an illegal formation penalty, but since that penalty didn't occur until the ball was snapped there was no clock stoppage and so therefore no runoff.
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LordOpie
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so y'all missed the fact that Shanny thought it was fourth down?Only Cutler knew what was going on.
