Game Thread W15 Green Bay V New England (1 Viewer)

[ookook]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"?

For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".

Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

 

[Maui]

Needless to say I wanted the Pack to win. Poor clock management on that last series. But Shane got me the win this week.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

It's a shame that when the game is hanging in the balance that the Packers on offense suddenly turn into a bunch of 10 year olds playing Pop Warner...seriously did these guys ever play street ball even? You gotta know that you don't have time. It's probably coaching. If I were a HC, I would have a set number of plays that could be numbered 1-10 at that popint in the game with a rookie so I could just bark it out quick or the QB could just call it at the line quickly..1...1...1...that is not the time to call X32bluewide49streakslantZ on 2.Drives me nuts when teams can't even run a play or get a shot at the winning score.

What's worse than the execution of the last play is in his post game presser McCarthy said they did nothing wrong and he was happy with how the play was called, the only problem was the result. Maybe he was just protecting Flynn but as HC you need to take it on chin there and take the blame for all the confusion.

Another McCarthy brain fart.

 

[Horses Mouth]

was that last play a sack and a fumble recovery?

Yup. Was up 4.5 points before that play and ended up winning my semi-final by a HALF POINT after it. I almost had a heart attack doing the last second math while scrambling to the live scoring to verify that I did actually win.Hard to believe the Packers couldn't get a play called quicker there.

How can there be a sack and then a fumble recovery? Doesn't the sack end the play before the fumble?

 

[Sabertooth]

I knew when Woodson dropped that pick that this would be the result. Hopefully Nick Collins isn't going to the IR.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

 

[datonn]

Nah...just the truth with AE...its nothing new.

Looked to me like he said the Pack coaching cost them the game, which is a sentiment that several people have been saying for weeks. I understand that most of you are having a frustrating end to the season, given that none of you saw this coming for whatever reason, but that's no reason to lash out against others for virtually saying the same thing as everyone else.

It was a fishing trip by a Vikes fan. I asked him if he had nothing better to do. Who's lashing out and why are you piling on?

Probably. In 40-50 years of tools being tools on both sides, however, nobody can remember who fired the first shots anymore. It's just ingrained in our respective DNA. Packer fans suffer? Viking fans are there to offer up a little Viking fans suffer? There's a green and gold line around the corner waiting to pounce.It's old/tired/played, but as long as there are tools on both sides being tools, it'll never stop.

All that said?! I was so happy to see New England win...as I want the only difference between the Packers and the Vikings 2010 seasons to be about 12-14 slots in the 2011 draft order.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

Man, just let it go already. Every thread degenerates into this nonsense, and it is largely because of your juvenile nonsense. Give it a rest already.

 

[sho nuff]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Most are allowed to change their mind.I made a statement when they were 3-3 I believe...that McCarthy should be told his job was on the line or he was on the hot seat.I started a thread later in the year after they had rolled off wins against the Jets and Cowboys and Vikings and so on...that he could be up for coach of the year given how they were playing and how many injuries they had (talked about Norv Turner in that too).But last week and tonight...he has shown he doesnt have what it takes. Moreover, it was added evidence on some other problems he has had, and it was just shown even more than before.Barring a deep run in the playoffs...Id look elsewhere.

 

[Pipes]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

Man, just let it go already. Every thread degenerates into this nonsense, and it is largely because of your juvenile nonsense. Give it a rest already.

McCarthy is by no means a great coach but to me a bigger problem is the special teams. The turning point of the game was that 70 yard return by the offensive lineman. The coverage on that was horrible.

 

[sho nuff]

And another reason for being back and forth on him.

Look at much of this game tonight.

The team was up and ready to play.

The onsides kick, the game plan, keeping the ball away from Brady. For much of the night his gameplan and play calling was pretty darn good.

But the few brainfarts really hurt them.

He is not a terrible coach. You don't go toe to toe with Belichick like that with your backup QB and barely come up short if you are terrible. But those few brainfarts are what continues to hurt this team.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Most are allowed to change their mind.I made a statement when they were 3-3 I believe...that McCarthy should be told his job was on the line or he was on the hot seat.I started a thread later in the year after they had rolled off wins against the Jets and Cowboys and Vikings and so on...that he could be up for coach of the year given how they were playing and how many injuries they had (talked about Norv Turner in that too).But last week and tonight...he has shown he doesnt have what it takes. Moreover, it was added evidence on some other problems he has had, and it was just shown even more than before.Barring a deep run in the playoffs...Id look elsewhere.

You should be wise like me. Don't flip flop like you do and finally admit McCarthy isn't going to get the Packers to the SB.

 

[ookook]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Most are allowed to change their mind.I made a statement when they were 3-3 I believe...that McCarthy should be told his job was on the line or he was on the hot seat.I started a thread later in the year after they had rolled off wins against the Jets and Cowboys and Vikings and so on...that he could be up for coach of the year given how they were playing and how many injuries they had (talked about Norv Turner in that too).But last week and tonight...he has shown he doesnt have what it takes. Moreover, it was added evidence on some other problems he has had, and it was just shown even more than before.Barring a deep run in the playoffs...Id look elsewhere.

I recall the comment.I like McCarthy. Nice guy. Love to do lunch. Will never lead the Packers to win NFC.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

Well....when I told sho that MM couldn't take the Packers to the SB he had to tell me I was wrong. So do you want to tell us why MM is the coach that will take the Packers to the SB?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Most are allowed to change their mind.I made a statement when they were 3-3 I believe...that McCarthy should be told his job was on the line or he was on the hot seat.I started a thread later in the year after they had rolled off wins against the Jets and Cowboys and Vikings and so on...that he could be up for coach of the year given how they were playing and how many injuries they had (talked about Norv Turner in that too).But last week and tonight...he has shown he doesnt have what it takes. Moreover, it was added evidence on some other problems he has had, and it was just shown even more than before.Barring a deep run in the playoffs...Id look elsewhere.

I recall the comment.I like McCarthy. Nice guy. Love to do lunch. Will never lead the Packers to win NFC.

sho actually said he could.

 

[sho nuff]

 

[Vike Me]

Yawn...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

green bay --- I salute you!!

awesome game.

and for all you ingrates who've been ripping mccarthy and thompson since their respective hires, you'd better appreciate what you've got --- there's a lot worse out there, and don't think firing somebody guarantees the next guy being better.

that's really a shame about rodgers, though -- this team should be in the playoffs.

by the way --- I have no idea what happened at the end --- did flynn think they had another time out?

 

[Jagerbomber]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

Well....when I told sho that MM couldn't take the Packers to the SB he had to tell me I was wrong. So do you want to tell us why MM is the coach that will take the Packers to the SB?

Hooray for winning Internet arguments. You must be so fulfilled.

 

[snorlax]

Hilarious play, but how does the ref miss the block in the back literally RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM?

I came in here just to see if someone mentioned this when it happened; it sure was pretty flagrant. Thanks for being there Cappy. I doubt it would have made a difference, but it sure was a big swing there.Thanks for making this thread unreadable, Packer haters and Packer administration haters. I don't understand how half the posts in this thread are by Bears and Vikings fans cheering against the Packers. It'd be fun to do this without the arguments and trolling for arguments.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

Well....when I told sho that MM couldn't take the Packers to the SB he had to tell me I was wrong. So do you want to tell us why MM is the coach that will take the Packers to the SB?

"could" and "will" are two very different things.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

green bay --- I salute you!!by the way --- I have no idea what happened at the end --- did flynn think they had another time out?

No. My understanding of this was some on the field thought Driver might be close to a 1st down. In that case, they could've clocked it. So, they had to wait until the ball was spotted. Once it was spotted and called fourth, they tried to quickly relay a play to Flynn, but crowd noise prevented that from happening quickly. Regardless, they got the play off against a three man rush. Looking a little more organized would've been nice, but again, they play was run and they had a chance.

 

[Sudsy]

McCarthy took an incredibly injured and depleted team on the road, with an untested Q.B., to play the best team in the league. The Packers controled much of the game and came within a whisker of pulling off somethig that hasn't been done in years by the likes of Rivers, Manning, or Roethlisberger's team. It was in impressive game plan under the circumstances. Yes it was evident the kid got a little excited and disoriented in the end. McCarthy choosing not to put that on the young Q.B. during his press conference is not the same as it being that the Packers had not properly coached Flynn on the scenario. Flynn has gone to McCarthy's Q.B. school two years runnning. He has sat in countless meetings listening as Rodgers is coached about these scenarios. No, inellectually the kid knew what to do, hell its not rocket science. Nope, in the heat of the moment the inexperienced kid lost his head. McCarthy's statements are statements for public consumption. They are not his best insights into matters. He understands that his job is to take some heat, to deflect some heat, so that his young players have room to grow.

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job. Absent so many deeply impactful injuires it is clear to me that they would be going this year. Certainly a team's #1 running back, to T.E., right tackle, and backup T.E. are good for an additional 3 or 4 points a game. Just as certainly when a team plays the 3-4 defense having 3 or your 4 starting L.B.'s out most of the season is costs a team at least 2 to 3 points a game, if not more. Now couple that with projected starters in the defensive backfield, and your dime and nickel players being out, along with your defensive line rotation depth and we are talking a major hit to any team.

The Packers have 14 players on I.R. and at least 10 of them are very impactful players. They have a 15th player (a starter) suspended. they had a huge injury report this week, and yet the gave the Patriots all they want whle the Packers were on the road. Critics are not appreciated the job mcCarthy has done this year, not by a long shot. The sad thing is that when the packers do reach their goal it will be these same detractors who are up on the bandwagon crowing the loudest that they knew it all along.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

Well....when I told sho that MM couldn't take the Packers to the SB he had to tell me I was wrong. So do you want to tell us why MM is the coach that will take the Packers to the SB?

Hooray for winning Internet arguments. You must be so fulfilled.

Well anytime I have posted something negative about McCarthy sho is usually the first one to counterpoint. I am not fulfilled at all. I don't think McCarthy is the coach that will take the Packers to a SB and I have said that for the last few years. His record in close games is terrible and this will likely be the second time in 3 years that they won't make the playoffs. Yes the MM supporters will fall back to the injury excuse but that doesn't change the fact that McCarthy fails more often than not when it is crunch time.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

 

[Summer Wheat]

Needless to say I wanted the Pack to win. Poor clock management on that last series. But Shane got me the win this week.

Why were the Packers moving so slow and wasting so much time that last series with the game on the line??

 

[sho nuff]

Needless to say I wanted the Pack to win. Poor clock management on that last series. But Shane got me the win this week.

Why were the Packers moving so slow and wasting so much time that last series with the game on the line??

Other than those last plays, I don't think they were doing anything too wrong there.They wanted to make sure they did not give Brady enough time.That sack really hurt them and using their two timeouts when they did.

 

[Sudsy]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

You want the date? I'm not going to play that game with you like sho will and has. I see a roster infused with talent such that our second and third stringers are keeping games competitive against good teams. I see a direction that has been positive in spite of record fluctuations. As long as I see that direction continue I will support this regime. I admit that your point, supported by the facts of the record in close games is worth watching. I just do not draw the same conclusion you do as I see uncontrollable external varieables as the cause for that. Should that disturbing trend continue in a year of relative health I will join you. For now I think your side of the argument is precipitous and will lead to a regression of the progress I have seen if new coaches and coordinators are brought in.We differ on this, for now. I do find your position, and the facts you bring to support it worthy of further observation.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

You want the date? I'm not going to play that game with you like sho will and has. I see a roster infused with talent such that our second and third stringers are keeping games competitive against good teams. I see a direction that has been positive in spite of record fluctuations. As long as I see that direction continue I will support this regime. I admit that your point, supported by the facts of the record in close games is worth watching. I just do not draw the same conclusion you do as I see uncontrollable external varieables as the cause for that. Should that disturbing trend continue in a year of relative health I will join you. For now I think your side of the argument is precipitous and will lead to a regression of the progress I have seen if new coaches and coordinators are brought in.We differ on this, for now. I do find your position, and the facts you bring to support it worthy of further observation.

Unlike sho that flip flops all the time you have taken your postion and I admire that. I hope the Packers get to the SB asap!

 

[Sudsy]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

You want the date? I'm not going to play that game with you like sho will and has. I see a roster infused with talent such that our second and third stringers are keeping games competitive against good teams. I see a direction that has been positive in spite of record fluctuations. As long as I see that direction continue I will support this regime. I admit that your point, supported by the facts of the record in close games is worth watching. I just do not draw the same conclusion you do as I see uncontrollable external varieables as the cause for that. Should that disturbing trend continue in a year of relative health I will join you. For now I think your side of the argument is precipitous and will lead to a regression of the progress I have seen if new coaches and coordinators are brought in.We differ on this, for now. I do find your position, and the facts you bring to support it worthy of further observation.

Unlike sho that flip flops all the time you have taken your postion and I admire that. I hope the Packers get to the SB asap!

As do I. That they seem so tantalyzingly close without stepping through the door that it is very frustrating. My belief is that sans catastrophic injury next year that the Superbowl will be played by the Packers and the Patriots. The Patriots are young, improving, already very good, and will have the opportunity for a very impactful draft. The Packers, already looking good, will have gained valuable experience in their backups from this year and will see an infusion of talent off of their I.R. list that is nearly impossible to comprehend.

 

[Flash]

And another thread where Beaver comes in and pisses all over the thread.

Go away little boy

 

[Flash]

So is this where you tell us that McCarthys job was on the line this season or are you supporting him for coach of the year still?

Read above.Is this where you ruin another thread with your usual arguing with me?

Isn't there a thread for you guys to argue in? Why must every GB thread end up with this ####ing contest? It gets old to everybody else on the boards. STOP IT!

There was, but Joe locked it.....Yea, thanks Joe. Keep opening the SP for these guys to piss all over it.Hope you enjoy it

 

[BeaverCleaver]

And another thread where Beaver comes in and pisses all over the thread.Go away little boy

Please contribute to the topic. TIA.

 

[Flash]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

So what?Hey take your loser self out of here and any other Packer thread and don't come back.You suck

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"? For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

So what?Hey take your loser self out of here and any other Packer thread and don't come back.You suck

Now that isn't being excellent. They do have an ignore feature here. I suggest you look into that and next time please contribute to the topic instead of whining. TIA.

 

[Flash]

Are people allowed to change their opinion without the silly "flip-flopping"?

For example, my opinion of Thompson has improved every season for several to where I am now on record as saying he is at least "very good".

Maybe Sho is just learning that McCarthy infects more problems than he solves.

Have you not seen how often sho flip flops? If the Pack win next week he may state that MM should be coach of the year.

The more important question is why do you care what some fan you will never meet thinks? And why do you waste your efforts to not only comment on his thoughts, but track them? Who is the fool?

Good post.The guys a loser.

About all you can say about him.

 

[Flash]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

You want the date? I'm not going to play that game with you like sho will and has. I see a roster infused with talent such that our second and third stringers are keeping games competitive against good teams. I see a direction that has been positive in spite of record fluctuations. As long as I see that direction continue I will support this regime. I admit that your point, supported by the facts of the record in close games is worth watching. I just do not draw the same conclusion you do as I see uncontrollable external varieables as the cause for that. Should that disturbing trend continue in a year of relative health I will join you. For now I think your side of the argument is precipitous and will lead to a regression of the progress I have seen if new coaches and coordinators are brought in.We differ on this, for now. I do find your position, and the facts you bring to support it worthy of further observation.

If everyone would just ignore the clown, he might go away.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

This coach and GM will get this team to the Suprebowl if left alone to do their job.

When will this happen and how many years are you willing to give them to get their job done?

You want the date? I'm not going to play that game with you like sho will and has. I see a roster infused with talent such that our second and third stringers are keeping games competitive against good teams. I see a direction that has been positive in spite of record fluctuations. As long as I see that direction continue I will support this regime. I admit that your point, supported by the facts of the record in close games is worth watching. I just do not draw the same conclusion you do as I see uncontrollable external varieables as the cause for that. Should that disturbing trend continue in a year of relative health I will join you. For now I think your side of the argument is precipitous and will lead to a regression of the progress I have seen if new coaches and coordinators are brought in.We differ on this, for now. I do find your position, and the facts you bring to support it worthy of further observation.

If everyone would just ignore the clown, he might go away.

And your recent number of posts seem to show you know how to ingore. Now, please contribute and stop pissing in the Shark Pool. TIA

 

[Flash]

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Now if everyone else would do this, life would be much better around here.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

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Now if everyone else would do this, life would be much better around here.

Any thoughts on the game last night?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Stop the back and forth baiting and cat fight stuff if you guys want to continue posting here. Keep it on the game.

TIA.

J

 

[The Jerk]

was that last play a sack and a fumble recovery?

Yup. Was up 4.5 points before that play and ended up winning my semi-final by a HALF POINT after it. I almost had a heart attack doing the last second math while scrambling to the live scoring to verify that I did actually win.Hard to believe the Packers couldn't get a play called quicker there.

How can there be a sack and then a fumble recovery? Doesn't the sack end the play before the fumble?

On a passing play (in other words, not on a designed QB run), any time the ball is knocked out of the QBs hands behind the line of scrimmage, the defense is credited with a sack and forced fumble. This is true even when the QB is not actually taken to the ground as normally required to get credit for a sack.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Needless to say I wanted the Pack to win. Poor clock management on that last series. But Shane got me the win this week.

Why were the Packers moving so slow and wasting so much time that last series with the game on the line??

Other than those last plays, I don't think they were doing anything too wrong there.They wanted to make sure they did not give Brady enough time.That sack really hurt them and using their two timeouts when they did.

I'm sure they were just milking it because they were afraid of brady's retaliation, but I thought that was really a mistake, and me and my pats buddy were both saying so at the time.if you want to play that game with rodgers under center then that's one thing, and I don't suppose I'd argue, but when you have a flynn in there and your defense is as strong as it is then I think you hustle it up and save time for mistakes, runs, etc.you put him out there and not only do you eliminate the potential for running plays, but you telegraph that top the pats defense, which might not be a big deal with rodgers, but you don't want flynn at that disadvantage.with more time on the clock they actually could've tried to pick up the yard on a conventional run, or sneak, then clock it.