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Game Thread W5 - New England V Denver (1 Viewer)
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We haven't seen a lot of the precision timing stuff out of him, most of Welker's receptions have been plays where he was just the 3rd option and Brady had so much time in the pocket that he eventually made it to Welker. He's looked fine outside of the minor injury, although it's hard to tell for sure since he's out of the frame 75% of the time.
Yes.
Moreno's looking pretty solid. He's not making any spectacular plays, but he's been very consistent and reliable getting yardage. And, of course, as I start to type this he hobbles off the field. He looks fine on the sidelines (has his helmet back on already), but I'll keep you updated.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
New England just got away with a blatant late hit out of bounds.
I'm fine with a call up the middle. Denver's had decent success there so far. The problem was that New England knew what the play was.
Ironically enough, that famous Hook-and-Ladder to Moe Williams came against Denver, too. Maybe it's something about playing the Broncos that makes Moss want to lateral.
Graham gets a lot of well-deserved credit for his incredible blocking prowess, but man oh man did he blow that one on 3rd and short. He motioned out wide of the guy he was supposed to block and then never even got a hand on him as the defender went unabated to make a tackle in the backfield.
To play devils advocate:Two feet off the ground and one foot above their head, that is a pretty vulnerable position.
A flop like that shouldn't draw a penalty. If somebody runs into him and he can hold his balance or falls on accident, call it. But the moment he falls down on purpose in a ridiculous manner after barely being touched, it shouldn't be called.
I am pretty sure touching him at all is a penalty, isn't it?
I've got no problem with protecting the punter. I have a problem with making touching the punter into a penalty. It's worse than with QBs- contact = penalty.
I'd take it one further. I think that flopping should be an unsportsmanlike penalty on the punter. Yeah, it'd be a judgment call and it'd be hard to actually call, but just give the punter something to think about before deciding whether or not to audition for the Oscars.
No, touching the punter is not a real penalty (New England touched Denver's punter on his last punt, he just declined to flop). In practice, though, like 90% of the time when you touch the punter it's going to be a penalty.
What is the definition of "running into the kicker"?
ChargersOH
Footballguy
Still no pressure on Brady at all. Have they even knocked him down once?
Fortunately he's been off target all day, or this game would be a laugher.
Fortunately he's been off target all day, or this game would be a laugher.
Andre Davis and D.J. Williams both managed to get a hit on Brady in the first half on blitzes. I think that's about it so far.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Bronocss special teams may very well have just cost them a chance to tie the game with those stupid penalties. They went from getting the ball around midfield to starting from their own 2.
Running Article 6 No defensive player may run into or rough a kicker who kicks from behind his lineInto Kicker unless such contact:
(a) is incidental to and after he has touched the kick in flight;
(b) is caused by the kicker’s own motions;
© occurs during a quick kick;
(d) occurs during a kick or after a run behind the line;
(e) occurs after the kicker recovers a loose ball on the ground; or
(f) is caused because a defender is blocked into the kicker.
Looks like a judgement call but any touching of the kicker could be called so long as none of these conditions apply, which was the case on the penalty.
That contact was absolutely incidental.
You have to touch the ball first for that condition to apply. Note the word "and".
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Orton really has had two solid games in a row.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
First time watching the Broncos play this year and I am pretty impressed with the play of Orton. Having seen him a bit in Chicago he looks to have matured quite a bit. Maybe it's just this game, but he looks pretty good to me.
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
Rumors of Royal's demise have been greatly exaggerated. What's that, like a million targets this drive?
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Phantom flag there.
Ah, I read that as after the KICKER had touched the ball, not the defender. Either way, it's ludicrous. Everyone who watched that play knows that the Broncos player was doing his best to avoid the kicker, barely brushed the kicker, and the kicker flopped egregiously. If the rulebook says that's a penalty, the rulebook needs to be changed.Welcome back Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall. To paraphrase a very wise scholar of the game... you are who we thought you were. You are who we thought you were!
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Wow, what a drive.
He didn't get flagged for the hit (which was borderline), he got flagged for standing over Royal after the hit and taunting.
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