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Giants RBs not named David Wilson thread (1 Viewer)

ShaHBucks

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I'm in deep enough leagues where I could roster 2-3 of these guys without any compitition. Factor in things like IR and TS this could possible be a freeroll play that won't even cost a roster spot. Anyone else see any value here and care to discuss? Or is this a backfield you don't mind missing out on short and longterm?

PSA: lets not discuss how much Wilson sucks, how elite he is or how you were right all along ect... Lets have a safe place to talk about Brown, Cox, Scott and Jacobs for anyone that don't have the patience to read through 10 pages a day in "DW's band wagon thread" just to find any valuable content.

 
All right, I'll speak up for Da'Rel Scott.

He reminds me of Victor Cruz in that was chatter here about him from Giants fans from a couple years ago. No, he is not a Cruz, but he has speed and breakaway ability in my opinion.

Negatives are: the Giants are so bad right now and the line is horrible, the run game is not working. - And Scott was cut just last week, so er how good could he be. This feels like a "hunch" play that won't pay off because it's just a hunch but if I had to pick up a NYG RB right now it would be Scott.

 
Not a Giants homer, and I certainly haven't done any scouting on these guys, but my gut says that the guy to own down the stretch and into fantasy playoffs would be Brown, and to me it isn't even close. Then again, I'm below .500 in over half my leagues, so take this with a giant grain of salt.

 
MJD to big Blue? Nah. just kidding. They'll probably want as many draft picks as they can for this team.

 
They just did nothing against one of the worst teams in the league defensively. I think this back field is untouchable this year unless the Giants make some drastic changes.

 
I've said it before and I'm willing to reiterate it. But Scott has next to no talent. He was going to be cut prior to Browns injury. The injury to Brown is the only reason he kept a job. The second the Giants had a chance the released him. And if not for Wilson's injury he'd still be on his couch. Scott will be cut again as soon as Wilson is healthy again or Brown is healthy again.

Jacobs was a subpar mediocre talent in his prime. Now, at 31 he's lost most of his speed and power which was his only game to begin with. He's basically useless.

Cox intrigues me. But he's useless in redraft, Coughlin has stated many times, as early as last week after the cut of Scott "He has to learn everything".

Brown is a decent back. But he makes McFadden look like the epitome of health. He'll get hurt again before Week 17. All but guaranteed.

Nobody in this backfield is worth owning unless you have the roster space to stash Wilson as an upside possibility if the Giants remember how to win games again.

 
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My friend who is a Giants homer keeps telling me to take a flier on Cox and he's kind of a fantasy football savant. I won't, but I find it interesting non the less.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
All right, I'll speak up for Da'Rel Scott.

He reminds me of Victor Cruz in that was chatter here about him from Giants fans from a couple years ago. No, he is not a Cruz, but he has speed and breakaway ability in my opinion.

Negatives are: the Giants are so bad right now and the line is horrible, the run game is not working. - And Scott was cut just last week, so er how good could he be. This feels like a "hunch" play that won't pay off because it's just a hunch but if I had to pick up a NYG RB right now it would be Scott.
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Cox is actually the one with Cruz like agility. He's 5'11, 220, posted 24 reps on the bench with a nice vert and broad jump. He's a really athletic big dude. He has solid speed for his size as well.
 
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.
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I think NYG views Cox as a work in progress which is why they released Scott instead (prior to Wilson's injury). You're right though, at 0-5, why not start evaluating him now? Maybe he's #### in pass pro though, I don't know.

 
Huge Giants fan here. Sady have watched every game.

If you are desperate for a start this week you can take a flyer on Jacobs. Chance at a TD and some touches. But I wouldn't set my expectations high. Would rather and Andre Ellington type but if its between say Daniel Thomas and Jacobs for this week only, you could get lucky.

For the season I'd take a flyer on Cox, if only by process of elimination. If Wilson is out for an extended period (if he is not then this will be a year used to get him ready for next year or realize that we all overestimated him and look elsewhere), Cox has the size and speed to produce. Granted the team sucks and the line is beyond terrible, but guys have performed under worse conditions and have come from no where before.

 
ShaHBucks said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
All right, I'll speak up for Da'Rel Scott.

He reminds me of Victor Cruz in that was chatter here about him from Giants fans from a couple years ago. No, he is not a Cruz, but he has speed and breakaway ability in my opinion.

Negatives are: the Giants are so bad right now and the line is horrible, the run game is not working. - And Scott was cut just last week, so er how good could he be. This feels like a "hunch" play that won't pay off because it's just a hunch but if I had to pick up a NYG RB right now it would be Scott.
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Cox is actually the one with Cruz like agility. He's 5'11, 220, posted 24 reps on the bench with a nice vert and broad jump. He's a really athletic big dude. He has solid speed for his size as well.
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Yup, IMO Jacobs is the safe bet here for some value during the short-term, but we all know what his upside/limitations are at this point of his career, especially running behind this O-Line. I'd pickup Cox in deep bench/roster leagues as a lottery ticket, but by the time he starts seeing action(assuming they ease him in this week, ahead of Scott), Brown should be nearing a return and Wilson could be healthy again as well. Only RB I'd want to really own is Brown as an IR stash.

And I know everyone makes fun of the Wilson owners, but pretty much every serious FF player had him ranked pretty high on their boards after the Brown injury, it may not have been as high as his ADP after the injury, but I doubt anyone didn't have him ranked as an early round pick. Even if you weren't super high on his talent, he seemed primed for a really good workload in a decent offense inside a weak division.

 
SameSongNDance said:
ShaHBucks said:
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.
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I think NYG views Cox as a work in progress which is why they released Scott instead (prior to Wilson's injury). You're right though, at 0-5, why not start evaluating him now? Maybe he's #### in pass pro though, I don't know.
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Does it really matter if he is #### in pass pro, when they are 0 - 5?

 
msudaisy26 said:
SameSongNDance said:
ShaHBucks said:
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.
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I think NYG views Cox as a work in progress which is why they released Scott instead (prior to Wilson's injury). You're right though, at 0-5, why not start evaluating him now? Maybe he's #### in pass pro though, I don't know.
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Does it really matter if he is #### in pass pro, when they are 0 - 5?
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When you consider that keeping their franchise QB upright and off the injury report is a priority regardless of record, then yes.

 
msudaisy26 said:
SameSongNDance said:
ShaHBucks said:
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.
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I think NYG views Cox as a work in progress which is why they released Scott instead (prior to Wilson's injury). You're right though, at 0-5, why not start evaluating him now? Maybe he's #### in pass pro though, I don't know.
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Does it really matter if he is #### in pass pro, when they are 0 - 5?
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Yes, unless NYG feels like punishing Eli.

 
SameSongNDance said:
msudaisy26 said:
SameSongNDance said:
ShaHBucks said:
Another Cox "see what he has" angle could be to get rid of Jacobs and have insurance for Brown's inevitable injuries. I don't see why they wouldn't start evaluating him at 0-5.
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I think NYG views Cox as a work in progress which is why they released Scott instead (prior to Wilson's injury). You're right though, at 0-5, why not start evaluating him now? Maybe he's #### in pass pro though, I don't know.
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Does it really matter if he is #### in pass pro, when they are 0 - 5?
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Yes, unless NYG feels like punishing Eli.
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They might after the way he's played.

 
I would agree that Cox is the only one that intrigues me over the next several weeks in case Wilson is out longer than a few.

We know what Jacobs is and isn't, and if Coughlin really thought anything of Scott, he wouldn't have tossed him aside. Cox at least has some possibility, although Brown may be the guy to have when all is said and done.

 
Been on the Cox bandwagon for a while. Like a lot of the stuff RotoViz has been putting out, and they're big-time fans of the kid.

There's also this article from the New York Daily News which is going unnoticed.

Coughlin added that seventh-round pick Michael Cox was progressing and could contribute down the road as well.

“Brandon had some good runs the other day, and Da’Rel had some good runs when he was here,” Coughlin said. “We have the young rookie that’s done a good job in preseason on kickoff returns, so I’m trying to project that further down the road. He did a nice job last week by the way, scout team-wise.”
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Could easily see Cox get involved tomorrow night. If Wilson is out for any extended period, Cox is the guy I want.

 
If Wilson is out for the year or at least an extended time, will we see NY pursue someone like Beanie Wells or Michael Turner? Do you think they regret not bringing McGahee on board?

 
just_want_2_win said:
If Wilson is out for the year or at least an extended time, will we see NY pursue someone like Beanie Wells or Michael Turner? Do you think they regret not bringing McGahee on board?
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I seriously doubt it on both counts.

Bringing in another old RB makes no sense for an 0-5 team.

If the Giants gave McGahee the 48 touches they've given to Jacobs and Scott this season, I highly doubt it would've made a bit of difference.

 
 
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tdhartis said:
I Love Your Fantasy Team said:
Where is the Cox buzz coming from? Preseason rushing stats don't look pretty, so what am I missing by not seeing him play this PS?
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Desperation. Sweet, sweet, desperation.
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Oh yeah, it's definitely mostly rooted in desperation, however..

I'm reading reports that Wilson may be done for the season with his recent neck injury. Assuming this is the case, process of elimination dictates that Cox very well find himself in a position to contribute. Let's face it, Jacobs isn't even back-up material at this stage in his career, Scott is a middling talent at best and Brown's body has never agreed with the game of football.

The stars would absolutely have to align for Cox to become fantasy relevant but IMO those in deep leagues could do worse.

 
SameSongNDance said:
tdhartis said:
I Love Your Fantasy Team said:
Where is the Cox buzz coming from? Preseason rushing stats don't look pretty, so what am I missing by not seeing him play this PS?
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Desperation. Sweet, sweet, desperation.
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Oh yeah, it's definitely mostly rooted in desperation, however..

I'm reading reports that Wilson may be done for the season with his recent neck injury. Assuming this is the case, process of elimination dictates that Cox very well find himself in a position to contribute. Let's face it, Jacobs isn't even back-up material at this stage in his career, Scott is a middling talent at best and Brown's body has never agreed with the game of football.

The stars would absolutely have to align for Cox to become fantasy relevant but IMO those in deep leagues could do worse.
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This is where I am (14-redraft). At this point I'm looking for someone who's a better stash than C-Mike in SEA.

 
I Love Your Fantasy Team said:
SameSongNDance said:
tdhartis said:
I Love Your Fantasy Team said:
Where is the Cox buzz coming from? Preseason rushing stats don't look pretty, so what am I missing by not seeing him play this PS?
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Desperation. Sweet, sweet, desperation.
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Oh yeah, it's definitely mostly rooted in desperation, however..

I'm reading reports that Wilson may be done for the season with his recent neck injury. Assuming this is the case, process of elimination dictates that Cox very well find himself in a position to contribute. Let's face it, Jacobs isn't even back-up material at this stage in his career, Scott is a middling talent at best and Brown's body has never agreed with the game of football.

The stars would absolutely have to align for Cox to become fantasy relevant but IMO those in deep leagues could do worse.
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This is where I am (14-redraft). At this point I'm looking for someone who's a better stash than C-Mike in SEA.
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Exactly. Someone like Cox has a clearer path to touches than Micheal at this juncture. As it pertains to desperation, opportunity will always trump talent (unless, of course, you're Brandon Jacobs).

 
I am a Giants season ticket holder. I chimed in on the loooong Wilson thread. Here's my 2 cents.

If you have to choose 1 RB other than Wilson, it would be Jacobs. The biggest reason is TC trusts him...not purely on talent. Cox was a 7th rd draft choice for a reason and is clearly not ready to be thrust into a game at this point.

Scott is a borderline NFL player.

The guy to pick up after next week is BROWN if he is still available. TC loves him, and he runs hard and tough. Thats all.

 
he_hate_me_too said:
I am a Giants season ticket holder. I chimed in on the loooong Wilson thread. Here's my 2 cents.

If you have to choose 1 RB other than Wilson, it would be Jacobs. The biggest reason is TC trusts him...not purely on talent. Cox was a 7th rd draft choice for a reason and is clearly not ready to be thrust into a game at this point.

Scott is a borderline NFL player.

The guy to pick up after next week is BROWN if he is still available. TC loves him, and he runs hard and tough. Thats all.
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Yes, Jacobs will likely see a lot of carries. But even at 30 carries a game you're still crossing your fingers and hoping for TDs. Cause Jacobs is nothing more than a 2ypc back.

 
Khy said:
he_hate_me_too said:
I am a Giants season ticket holder. I chimed in on the loooong Wilson thread. Here's my 2 cents.

If you have to choose 1 RB other than Wilson, it would be Jacobs. The biggest reason is TC trusts him...not purely on talent. Cox was a 7th rd draft choice for a reason and is clearly not ready to be thrust into a game at this point.

Scott is a borderline NFL player.

The guy to pick up after next week is BROWN if he is still available. TC loves him, and he runs hard and tough. Thats all.
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Yes, Jacobs will likely see a lot of carries. But even at 30 carries a game you're still crossing your fingers and hoping for TDs. Cause Jacobs is nothing more than a 2ypc back.
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I agree. But he is the best right now of a bad situation.

Wilson is out "several weeks" with a disc roblem

 
I think there's more of a chance that Da'Rel Scott catches 5 or 6 passes for 50-60 yards than Jacobs scores a short yardage TD.

For those desperate enough to need to start one of them because of injuries and stuff, I'd rather have Scott's potential in a PPR league than Jacobs.

 
he_hate_me_too said:
I am a Giants season ticket holder. I chimed in on the loooong Wilson thread. Here's my 2 cents.

If you have to choose 1 RB other than Wilson, it would be Jacobs. The biggest reason is TC trusts him...not purely on talent. Cox was a 7th rd draft choice for a reason and is clearly not ready to be thrust into a game at this point.

Scott is a borderline NFL player.

The guy to pick up after next week is BROWN if he is still available. TC loves him, and he runs hard and tough. Thats all.
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Two issues with Brown. 1) when is he coming back? 2) when will he get hurt again?

 
ShaHBucks said:
he_hate_me_too said:
I am a Giants season ticket holder. I chimed in on the loooong Wilson thread. Here's my 2 cents.

If you have to choose 1 RB other than Wilson, it would be Jacobs. The biggest reason is TC trusts him...not purely on talent. Cox was a 7th rd draft choice for a reason and is clearly not ready to be thrust into a game at this point.

Scott is a borderline NFL player.

The guy to pick up after next week is BROWN if he is still available. TC loves him, and he runs hard and tough. Thats all.
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Two issues with Brown. 1) when is he coming back? 2) when will he get hurt again?
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1. week 10, and 2. week 11

 
I think there's a point in here about Eli. Jacobs might not be quick enough to hold off defenders and Scott isn't the best blocker.

I'd expect the Giants to try the fountain of youth and pound Jacobs into the line in the first Q and probably drop that and just pass quickly, often with FB John Conner playing more than normal. Maybe even Bear Pascoe lining up in the backfield.

Their best weapons are the WRs and they won't get Eli flattened trying to establish two RBs they didn't want once upon a time. Protecting Eli will be paramount to anything else IMO.

For FF, Jacobs is a desperate bye week cover, nothing more.

 
Does it count if I grabbed him after his first td because waivers don't lock on Thursday in my league?

 
I LOL'd at the guy who picked him up in my league. No thanks, I say. I'll just start Trent Richardson and DeAngelo Williams all year. I think he Jacobs just outscored them both in this one game.

 
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