Donnybrook
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He ran a 4.36 at his pro day yesterday. Great pick
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- Thread starter Bob Magaw
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Bengals team needs and most recent top-five picks in last year's draft:
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015cin.php
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015cin.php
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bengals
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
CIN definitely not taking a RB here, Hill/Bernard has to be one of the most ideal young, talented, complementary 1-2 RB punches across the NFL landscape.
Whitworth is getting up there in years, but they already added Phillips in the first round, arguably the best pure LT prospect in the class of '15 (Peat and Clemmings, MAYBE Collins also in the conversation, Collins may be viewed as a better RT/guard, like Scherff, the consensus highest graded OL overall in the draft). All the centers after Erving are still available, and some of them will be later in the third and maybe even fourth round, not sure if any left are clearly better and warrant a second round pick?
I'd seriously consider taking Petty to groom at QB (unless some are believers in McCarron, I'm not, as far as a potential future starter, seems like career backup at best, and imo Petty has more upside, lot of arm talent, but needs refining across the board coming out of the same Briles' scheme and funky passing attack that RG3 did). Not all through his fault, but Dalton hasn't been able to get over the first round hump in the playoffs.
They lost Gresham, and the best TE Maxx Williams* might be a BPA in some ways, they seem to like to run two TE sets a lot, it is a good formation to run out of, and still threaten the pass. Only, not sure how good a blocker he is, might be too similar in skill set to Eifert, better receiver than blocker? Just a thought.
On D, CIN loves DL, though they get Michael Johnson back (and hilariously, a bonus third round comp pick) after a lucrative year in sunny TB. Their talented former UFA LB has been hurt a lot lately. McKinney still on the board.
The Bengals seem to focus on DL and DB with high picks on that side of the ball (the Eagles when Reid was the HC come immediately to mind as being similar, as far as clearly discernible positional importance hierarchy/prioritization draft patterns that roar off the depth chart when you cross-check for pedigree), but not sure if a safety is merited here BPA-wise, and they got CB Dennard in the first round last year, an outstanding prospect.
After reviewing this, my suggestion would be best in class TE Williams or top 3-5 QB Petty on offense (I haven't scouted the centers that much, though, so another possibility - and they already took one OL), and LB McKinney on defense.
* Fairly rare, I think, to not have at least one TE go in the first round, when I have looked into the past several decades.
Whitworth is getting up there in years, but they already added Phillips in the first round, arguably the best pure LT prospect in the class of '15 (Peat and Clemmings, MAYBE Collins also in the conversation, Collins may be viewed as a better RT/guard, like Scherff, the consensus highest graded OL overall in the draft). All the centers after Erving are still available, and some of them will be later in the third and maybe even fourth round, not sure if any left are clearly better and warrant a second round pick?
I'd seriously consider taking Petty to groom at QB (unless some are believers in McCarron, I'm not, as far as a potential future starter, seems like career backup at best, and imo Petty has more upside, lot of arm talent, but needs refining across the board coming out of the same Briles' scheme and funky passing attack that RG3 did). Not all through his fault, but Dalton hasn't been able to get over the first round hump in the playoffs.
They lost Gresham, and the best TE Maxx Williams* might be a BPA in some ways, they seem to like to run two TE sets a lot, it is a good formation to run out of, and still threaten the pass. Only, not sure how good a blocker he is, might be too similar in skill set to Eifert, better receiver than blocker? Just a thought.
On D, CIN loves DL, though they get Michael Johnson back (and hilariously, a bonus third round comp pick) after a lucrative year in sunny TB. Their talented former UFA LB has been hurt a lot lately. McKinney still on the board.
The Bengals seem to focus on DL and DB with high picks on that side of the ball (the Eagles when Reid was the HC come immediately to mind as being similar, as far as clearly discernible positional importance hierarchy/prioritization draft patterns that roar off the depth chart when you cross-check for pedigree), but not sure if a safety is merited here BPA-wise, and they got CB Dennard in the first round last year, an outstanding prospect.
After reviewing this, my suggestion would be best in class TE Williams or top 3-5 QB Petty on offense (I haven't scouted the centers that much, though, so another possibility - and they already took one OL), and LB McKinney on defense.
* Fairly rare, I think, to not have at least one TE go in the first round, when I have looked into the past several decades.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Walter Football is correct in noting that Peko was a major liability on their D-Line. Their are still a couple of very good DTs and one that would fit.
DT Carl Davis of Iowa, 6'5 320 lbs, graded out well.
Per TE they took Tyler Eifert in the first round two years ago and he is coming back healthy so I don't think TE is a priority need.
DT Carl Davis of Iowa, 6'5 320 lbs, graded out well.
Per TE they took Tyler Eifert in the first round two years ago and he is coming back healthy so I don't think TE is a priority need.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Maybe we can get some more input.
I'm amenable to a DT. But they have multiple liabilities for a playoff caliber roster, and Dalton's long term viability may be the hinkiest of all. Drafting a first round caliber TE in the second round two years after taking one in the first might not be that different from taking Eifert in the first three years after taking Gresham in the first?
I'm amenable to a DT. But they have multiple liabilities for a playoff caliber roster, and Dalton's long term viability may be the hinkiest of all. Drafting a first round caliber TE in the second round two years after taking one in the first might not be that different from taking Eifert in the first three years after taking Gresham in the first?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Carl Davis would be a really good selection.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They took Eifert because Gresham never lived up to his potential as a move TE. He was never a big play TE.
A starting caliber DT when they need one or a backup move TE?
Outside of that maybe a MLB. They signed Hawk but he's pretty old. Malugua is limited.
I dunno Petty's value.
A starting caliber DT when they need one or a backup move TE?
Outside of that maybe a MLB. They signed Hawk but he's pretty old. Malugua is limited.
I dunno Petty's value.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Detroit is up.
Their needs and last year's top-five draft picks. Looks like all positions o the O-Line are highest priorities they need to fill.
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015det.php
Their needs and last year's top-five draft picks. Looks like all positions o the O-Line are highest priorities they need to fill.
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015det.php
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/lions
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Michael Bennett, DT - OSU???
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't realize how bad the situation was on their offensive line. Looks like they really need immediate impact so Ogbuehi doesn't seem to be the guy but he is dropping and should go soon.
I like Havenstien. He is a RT and if the Lions run a power blocking scheme he'd be a great fit but I don't know their line scheme. Hroniss would be a great fit on a more mobile type of O-Line scheme.
Ogbuehi, Cedric OT 6'5" 306 Texas A&M
Havenstein, Rob OT 6'7" 321 Wisconsin
Grasu, Hroniss C 6'3" 297 Oregon
Andy pulled a great name for the D-Line. I love Bennett. Hopefully a Lions fan can chime in and make the pick.
I like Havenstien. He is a RT and if the Lions run a power blocking scheme he'd be a great fit but I don't know their line scheme. Hroniss would be a great fit on a more mobile type of O-Line scheme.
Ogbuehi, Cedric OT 6'5" 306 Texas A&M
Havenstein, Rob OT 6'7" 321 Wisconsin
Grasu, Hroniss C 6'3" 297 Oregon
Andy pulled a great name for the D-Line. I love Bennett. Hopefully a Lions fan can chime in and make the pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
2nd round is too early for Havenstein.
Daryl Williams from Oklahoma would be a fit though. Places seem to have him pegged as a 3rd rounder but I think he goes late second, maybe early third.
Daryl Williams from Oklahoma would be a fit though. Places seem to have him pegged as a 3rd rounder but I think he goes late second, maybe early third.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
One of the articles on the side of that link mentions them bringing in Ogbuehi for a visit.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I thought of DT, losing serial Pro Bowler Suh AND fellow high first rounder Fairley. They manufactured a replacement in Ngata, but he is 31 and the 5 X All-Pro ('8-'12, also Pro Bowl as recently as '13) may be slowing down, and not as explosive and disruptive as he was even a few years ago.But DET seems to perpetually be in need of OL upgrades and reinforcements, so that could be the way to go?
Ogbuehi received a first round grade from the advisory committee after the '13 season, came back to add LT to his resume, some scouts think he is more athletic than top 10 overall A&M LT predecessors Joeckel and Matthews and he has nearly 36" arms (like the telescoping arms dude in Master of the Flying Guillotine). I think he could be worth the wait for a potential blue chip prospect LT of the future, one of the most important positions in the importance hierarchy (after QB, comparable to DE). Versatility on the bonus plan, he has played everywhere on the OL except for center. He can pave the way for new starting RB Todd Gurley in the future!
DET Cedric Ogbuehi, OT Texas A&M (big time coup and Brinks job-type heist in the back half of the second if he returns to form)
ARI (DT Malcom Brown) and PIT (CB Marcus Peters) next up, first round picks shown.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Cards top needs and last year's top-five picks:
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015arz.php
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015arz.php
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/lions
Donnybrook
Footballguy
What about TE Maxx Williams or CB Ronald Darby for Arizona?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd say Nate Orchard, OLB Utah
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I doubt they would draft Williams when they invested a pretty high pick in Niklas last season. The also seem to prefer 3WR sets.
Not saying they wont add a TE at some point in the draft, I just don't think they will pick one here.
Tevin Coleman is available and would give them a explosive RB (expecting him to recover from toe injury he played through) to pair with Ellington. I think that would improve their offense.
The first pick they got Malcom Brown. Of they did go defense again, Hunter could be an option at OLB. Perhaps some other guys like Hau'oli Jamora?
I like the Coleman pick at this point for the Cardinals assuming they didn't get Peterson or something crazy already.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
If this is my pick I think the Cardinals should take Tevin Coleman.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Lets go with Coleman here, I've sided with Andy several times recently, just to get a range of alternatives reflected in the mix.
Agree about TE, even though I think it is highly likely he goes earlier, doesn't seem like the pick here.
Tevin Coleman, RB Indiana
PIT next, than CAR.
Agree about TE, even though I think it is highly likely he goes earlier, doesn't seem like the pick here.
Tevin Coleman, RB Indiana
PIT next, than CAR.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Trade chart.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
Pick 16-17 worth 1,000-950 pts. Pick 20 is worth 850 pts. To bridge that 150-100 pts with a lower pick, it would cost pick 88 in the third round (150) or the fourth pick in the round four (100 pts).
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I like Coleman more than most but he is not exactly a big back like Arizona apparently wants. He is 7 pounds heavier than Ellington.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well I suppose the Cardinals could try to wait until their next pick to address the position. But they won't get as talented a RB as Coleman if they do.
Duke Johnson is the only remaining RB who I think is at a similar level of explosiveness, obviously he is smaller than Coleman is.
They could target TJ Yeldon or David Johnson I suppose if size is an important feature to compliment Ellington in their priorities, or perhaps some RB later on but they won't be getting any other RB with the upside to be a great player as Coleman.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
I was wondering about size, too, but in this case, I wanted to allow Biabreakable to make the call, so we don't have just one or two voices predominating. Perhaps Coleman ends up being the better RB, and it will look like a brilliant pick in the future. Jeremy Hill may not be an ideal example, because he is bigger than Gio Bernard, but just to illustrate that we are constantly surprised, not too many gave Hill much of a chance to surpass Bernard so quickly, if at all. Many firmly believed, if healthy, Hill would be Bernard's caddy for the foreseeable future.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Sure if size matters to you more than explosiveness.
If the Cardinals were to take Yeldon while Coleman was still there I think that would not be a very good move.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I think the Steelers would take Maxx Williams here. There are a few OLB prospects on the board that would intrigue (Orchard, Golden, Mauldin, Kikaha, etc) but after re-signing Harrison it's gone from a desperate need to only a very serious need and I know they want an heir apparent to Heath Miller. Unlike the LBs, Williams is a fringe first round talent and I believe he represents BPA here at a position they're definitely looking to bolster.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I like it EG. If Bob makes that the official pick then Carolina would be up next so here is their remaining team needs and the top-five picks they made in last year's draft.
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015car.php
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/panthers
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2015car.php
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/panthers
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
This was going to be my recommendation, I've mentioned him a few times earlier. Heath Miller is a warrior and huge part of the offense (while WRs like Burress, Holmes, Wallace, Sanders come and go, Ward retires, Sweed busts, etc.), but already has a decade of NFL service and turns 33 this season.
PIT Maxx Williams, TE Minnesota
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's the right pick, I think. I was going to recommend Agholor.
Edit: That's who I think the Ravens should take. Nelson Agholor
Edit: That's who I think the Ravens should take. Nelson Agholor
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We may have undervalued the RBs according to this tweet by Sig.
In the first round of this mock we collectively took the top-two RBs and so far in the second round three have gone off the board.
Their are a handful of others left and Baltimore might be interested.
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Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom · Apr 1
Could see 10 RBs go in first 2 days RT @DOrlandoAJC Early buzz is that @GamecockFB RB Mike Davis ran an official 4.45/4.38 on his first 40.
In the first round of this mock we collectively took the top-two RBs and so far in the second round three have gone off the board.
Their are a handful of others left and Baltimore might be interested.
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Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom · Apr 1
Could see 10 RBs go in first 2 days RT @DOrlandoAJC Early buzz is that @GamecockFB RB Mike Davis ran an official 4.45/4.38 on his first 40.
Faust
MVP
Agholor or Funchess (as a hybrid WR / TE) would be good choices. Not sure if I am buying the Ravens owner claiming that TE is a bigger draft priority over WR
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Really? The Ravens owner said that? I don't know enough about him to say he's putting out disinformation. He might be telling the truth and I've seen many mocks putting DGB to them in the 1st round so maybe they think he could be used as a move-TE. He's big enough and he'd be matchup nightmare. I dunno. He might have told the truth, where did you hear that?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have picked for Buffalo and the Cardinals already in the second round. So not sure if I can pick again or not.
Denver mainly needs offensive and defensive linemen now. Players I would suggest are
DE Mario Edwards Florida State
OT/OG Jamil Douglas Arizona State
OT Donovan Smith Penn State
G Arie Kouandjio Alabama
I think there are quite a few other players who would fit their offensive line, but these three may be the best to target right now.
The do also need MLB but I could see waiting until the 4th round to address that. I think LB may be a bit over represented so far.
Bob I agree that RB and CB seem under represented.
Denver mainly needs offensive and defensive linemen now. Players I would suggest are
DE Mario Edwards Florida State
OT/OG Jamil Douglas Arizona State
OT Donovan Smith Penn State
G Arie Kouandjio Alabama
I think there are quite a few other players who would fit their offensive line, but these three may be the best to target right now.
The do also need MLB but I could see waiting until the 4th round to address that. I think LB may be a bit over represented so far.
Bob I agree that RB and CB seem under represented.
Faust
MVP
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I guess Crockett Gilmore is not in the Raven's plans at TE if they are prioritizing the position over WR. Not sure what to make of the owners comments there.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I like Crocket. He had a huge Senior Bowl or whatever game and he got on a lot of people's radar. I like him but he lacks deep speed. He's not a big play move-TE.
I think they used to use Anquan Boldin in that role of a move-TE to attack the middle and sidelines and when he was healthy they had Dennis Petta to go deep. They only that combo for one season, um their Super Bowl season so maybe Bisciotti was telling the truth and they want a guy who can be their Jimmy Graham.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Lets give Donovan Smith to DEN.
DEN will want to protect Manning in what may be his last hurrah, the OL was weakened by the departure of Orlando Franklin, and I have seen Smith as a potential pick for a team needing OL for a while now in the second round. They haven't taken one already in the first round, so that fits.
DEN - Donovan Smith, OT Penn St.
* Down to the last five picks of this TWO ROUND mock, DAL (Melvin Gordon) up, IND (Cam Erving) on deck. First round pick shown.
DEN will want to protect Manning in what may be his last hurrah, the OL was weakened by the departure of Orlando Franklin, and I have seen Smith as a potential pick for a team needing OL for a while now in the second round. They haven't taken one already in the first round, so that fits.
DEN - Donovan Smith, OT Penn St.
* Down to the last five picks of this TWO ROUND mock, DAL (Melvin Gordon) up, IND (Cam Erving) on deck. First round pick shown.
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Funchess might have been the guy over Agholour because of this. Funchess to me iis a TE. I would not mind him for the Packers at there pick. Of course McKinney is still available also
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I've already made two this round, but would Mario Edwards make sense for the Cowboys? I mostly just want to put him there because of his father (I guess Cowboys could use DL help too).
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
They took Lawrence last year, but have lost Ware and Spencer in successive years. At 280+ lbs., he can play strong side DE as a bookend to Lawrence. Seems like a good pick (icing on the cake he is drafted to the same team his father was). They took offense with Gordon in the first. Maybe McKinney would get a look, but there is some question of whether he can cover at the NFL level and, if not, will therefore be relegated to a two down defender role, making him less valuable. So to keep things rolling:
DAL - Mario Edwards, DE Florida St.
IND is up
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massraider
Footballguy
Best available players?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Nate Orchard fits the Def. Scheme.
