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TL; DR summary: My kids are breaking my heart
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sorry, red. this situation... ugh.

is there any way of talking to wife 1.0, or is that just worthless? I would hate for you to be put into "bad-guy" mode by taking away the things that they enjoy doing. I get that that's the arrangement you guys had with the kids and they are the ones forcing your hand here, but that is clearly how you and especially w.2 will be seen.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
oh- I thought you had already gone this route.

start with your family unit and see what hte counselor says about including w.1. definitely get outside help here before this gets even further.

 
TL; DR summary: My kids are breaking my heart
:(

sorry, red. this situation... ugh.

is there any way of talking to wife 1.0, or is that just worthless? I would hate for you to be put into "bad-guy" mode by taking away the things that they enjoy doing. I get that that's the arrangement you guys had with the kids and they are the ones forcing your hand here, but that is clearly how you and especially w.2 will be seen.
Ex-wife will never be hard on the kids. She clearly believes that we are too picky, too demanding, too mean, etc.. She has a perpetual victim complex and takes no accountability for her own actions and has clearly enabled that behavior in the kids unconsciously. And at the conscious level she clearly gets a kick out of the fact two of my kids are now miserable here. She told me in the past that she would never agree to 50/50 joint custody and now she doesn't have to worry that either of them might choose to be here full time when they turn 16. So she gets to comfort them and reinforce to herself what a great mommy she is and what a big mean bully I am.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
When my daughter was acting horribly toward just about everyone in her life, I tried counseling with her, but then my ex-wife got involved and it became useless because she made everything about blame. I found my daughter a counselor where I described the issues, then she met in private with my daughter. I was only involved if the counselor asked my daughter to discuss something with me or if my daughter asked me to discuss something with the counselor.

She made huge improvements. The trust and privacy she got from this approach made her more open to actually listening to the counselor and opening up to her. It took going through a few counselors to find the right fit.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
I mean you and the new wife and the kids.

 
Your ex is making you, your new wife, and your kids miserable. As a father you want to save your kids, but the pattern is ingrained, and there is no way to change that through part time parenting which is being subverted by the other parent with more access, none.

She has won and your kids are what they are. Time to let it go. Enjoy the kids for what they are and what little you can have with them. Fighting a losing battle is wasting what is available to you. Spoil them, and send them back spoiled. In the meantime devote yourself to your new wife and to your own happiness.

Give me the strength to change those things I can and the wisdom to ascertain those which I cannot.

 
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NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don’t believe in God, you might want to move to the Pacific Northwest.

Portland, Ore., is No. 1 on the list of metropolitan areas with the most religiously unaffiliated residents (42%), according to the nonpartisan and nonprofit Public Religion Research Institute’s American Values Atlas, a survey of 50,000 people. Seattle and San Francisco were tied at second place (with 33%) on the list, and Denver (32%) and Phoenix (26%) were third and fourth.

On the other end of the spectrum, Nashville was the metropolitan area with the fewest people without any religious affiliation (15%), followed by Charlotte, N.C. (17%), and Atlanta, Dallas, Orlando and Pittsburgh (all with 18%).

Why the regional differences? “Portland is quirky and different, and very attractive to people who may not feel comfortable in other social environments, particularly with a stigma against those who are atheists,” says Daniel Cox, research director at the Public Religion Research Institute. In fact, “The Big Sort,” a 2008 book by Bill Bishop, documented the “clustering” of like-minded Americans around politics and culture. While 94% of people said they would vote for a Catholic for president and only 5% say they would not, 54% said they would vote for an atheist while 43% said they would not, a nationwide 2014 Gallup survey found.
 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
I agree with Thorn. I think you need a professional from outside the situation. And I don't think the counseling should involve the ex.

Sorry man, tough situation.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
When my daughter was acting horribly toward just about everyone in her life, I tried counseling with her, but then my ex-wife got involved and it became useless because she made everything about blame. I found my daughter a counselor where I described the issues, then she met in private with my daughter. I was only involved if the counselor asked my daughter to discuss something with me or if my daughter asked me to discuss something with the counselor.

She made huge improvements. The trust and privacy she got from this approach made her more open to actually listening to the counselor and opening up to her. It took going through a few counselors to find the right fit.
I can believe the bolded. My daughter went to a counselor a couple years ago when she was exhibiting some very age-inappropriate behavior (tantrums like a toddler when she was 9-10 years old). She had several sessions and things seem to improve. Then a year later we had a very acute situation and had a joint session with daughter, counselor and ex-wife. I was horrified at how the counselor talked to my daughter, it was enabling beyond description. I absolutely wanted to get to the bottom of why she was acting the way she was but the bottom line was the unacceptable behavior had to stop. The counselor was unwilling to even address the behavior without being boxed into a corner.

That counselor was at best a waste of money.

 
Your ex is making you, your new wife, and your kids miserable. As a father you want to save your kids, but the pattern is ingrained, and there is no way to change that through part time parenting which is being subverted by the other parent with more access, none.

She has won and your kids are what they are. Time to let it go. Enjoy the kids for what they are and what little you can have with them. Fighting a losing battle is wasting what is available to you. Spoil them, and send them back spoiled. In the meantime devote yourself to your new wife and to your own happiness.

Give me the strength to change those things I can and the wisdom to ascertain those which I cannot.
This thought has occurred to me, but I don't want to be responsible for sending two more self-centered, unaccountable, borderline sociopaths out into the world without a fight.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
We've discussed that. But I don't know what that would do with my ex-wife clearly poisoning the well on her end. She would never agree to be part of it. And even if she were, it wouldn't be helpful if she was. I know, I went through marriage counseling with her. Nothing is ever her fault.
When my daughter was acting horribly toward just about everyone in her life, I tried counseling with her, but then my ex-wife got involved and it became useless because she made everything about blame. I found my daughter a counselor where I described the issues, then she met in private with my daughter. I was only involved if the counselor asked my daughter to discuss something with me or if my daughter asked me to discuss something with the counselor.

She made huge improvements. The trust and privacy she got from this approach made her more open to actually listening to the counselor and opening up to her. It took going through a few counselors to find the right fit.
I can believe the bolded. My daughter went to a counselor a couple years ago when she was exhibiting some very age-inappropriate behavior (tantrums like a toddler when she was 9-10 years old). She had several sessions and things seem to improve. Then a year later we had a very acute situation and had a joint session with daughter, counselor and ex-wife. I was horrified at how the counselor talked to my daughter, it was enabling beyond description. I absolutely wanted to get to the bottom of why she was acting the way she was but the bottom line was the unacceptable behavior had to stop. The counselor was unwilling to even address the behavior without being boxed into a corner.

That counselor was at best a waste of money.
I went through a few, including one that made things worse. The key was getting my ex out of the picture, because she: (1) is a pathological liar and (2) continues to try to use my daughter to control my life, even though we split 7 years ago. Once it was just one on one with a counselor without the ex having any involvement, that's when her behavior improved.

 
Your ex is making you, your new wife, and your kids miserable. As a father you want to save your kids, but the pattern is ingrained, and there is no way to change that through part time parenting which is being subverted by the other parent with more access, none.

She has won and your kids are what they are. Time to let it go. Enjoy the kids for what they are and what little you can have with them. Fighting a losing battle is wasting what is available to you. Spoil them, and send them back spoiled. In the meantime devote yourself to your new wife and to your own happiness.

Give me the strength to change those things I can and the wisdom to ascertain those which I cannot.
This thought has occurred to me, but I don't want to be responsible for sending two more self-centered, unaccountable, borderline sociopaths out into the world without a fight.
You are a good man.

BTW, you would not be sending them out without a fight. You have fought the good fight, for righteous reasons, and with devotion. Not all fights are winnable. Save yourself, save your new wife, and heal. By husbanding your strength you will have it when these kids wake from the somnambulistic trace your ex has them in and they will need your strength then more than ever. If the distraction of the battle of wills with you is removed your kids will begin to examine their life with her, and upon that examination they will wonder whatever the #### were they thinking.

 
So I am pretty excited, we just joined a farm CSA (community supported agriculture) for meat and our first pickup is tomorrow. 100/mth for 18-20lbs of fresh meat :excited:
I should look into something like this next year

Just committed to a 1/4 cow. Have to freeze but it tastes fine to me
been doing this for about 10 yrs. Great meat, especially the hamburger. Way better than what you can buy at your local supermarket
Looking into this right now. Think I may need a cow and a pig.

 
So I am pretty excited, we just joined a farm CSA (community supported agriculture) for meat and our first pickup is tomorrow. 100/mth for 18-20lbs of fresh meat :excited:
I should look into something like this next year

Just committed to a 1/4 cow. Have to freeze but it tastes fine to me
been doing this for about 10 yrs. Great meat, especially the hamburger. Way better than what you can buy at your local supermarket
Looking into this right now. Think I may need a cow and a pig.
You should do the Noah...two of each.

 
So I am pretty excited, we just joined a farm CSA (community supported agriculture) for meat and our first pickup is tomorrow. 100/mth for 18-20lbs of fresh meat :excited:
I should look into something like this next year

Just committed to a 1/4 cow. Have to freeze but it tastes fine to me
been doing this for about 10 yrs. Great meat, especially the hamburger. Way better than what you can buy at your local supermarket
Looking into this right now. Think I may need a cow and a pig.
We got 2 dzn eggs, 1lb of bacon, 1lb or ground beef, 1lb of ground pork, 1lb of italian sausage, 1 chicken, beef short ribs, butterfly pork chops and something similar to a beef chuck roast. The eggs and bacon are much better than what you get in the store, making burgers tonight and the chicken tomorrow so will update once we have those.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.

 
Redmond - We only get the glimpses of what you give us here so in know way can I or anyone else make too many assumption or presumptions about what is actually happening. I have no doubt your ex is involved at some level. I have no doubt you are trying hard but I think you need to examine the fact that your current suite of tactics are not working. You are attempting brute force and considering more brute force. You may consider the Pricess Laia advice - "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers". I don't know what the right course is but tougher love might not be it.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.
I hear you. But they have both admitted to being intentionally cruel to her for years and to ignoring my requests that they change their behavior, requests that they call me when they are not here (since my calls to their mom's house often go unreturned) and my requests that they occasionally phone my parents (who are in their mid-80s and absolutely adore them). They admit to this and can give no justification or reasons, however weak. They refuse to rise in their own defense even.

I don't want to get the baseball coach involved at all, but he needs to know he can't count on one of his team captains and better players not being available a third of the time.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.
I completely agree with this, because baseball is horrible.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.
I completely agree with this, because baseball is horrible.
:lmao:

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.
I hear you. But they have both admitted to being intentionally cruel to her for years and to ignoring my requests that they change their behavior, requests that they call me when they are not here (since my calls to their mom's house often go unreturned) and my requests that they occasionally phone my parents (who are in their mid-80s and absolutely adore them). They admit to this and can give no justification or reasons, however weak. They refuse to rise in their own defense even.

I don't want to get the baseball coach involved at all, but he needs to know he can't count on one of his team captains and better players not being available a third of the time.
I would be spending the rest of your day looking for a family counselor for you, Wife 2.0 and your three kids. You guys are on a precipice right now and you need professional help. Forget your ex-wife. Good luck.

 
Sorry Red, sounds awful. Seems like you clearly need family counseling.
Yeah, absolutely get some family counseling yesterday. I don't know what the right course of action is, but in my unprofessional opinion it sounds like you are running the risk of alienating your kids altogether with draconian penalties for not meeting your requirements with Wife 2.0...and that means they will view Wife 1.0 as the good guy and begin to push for more time with her and less time with you. You guys need professional help asap.

And my two cents, do NOT get the baseball coach involved in this.
I hear you. But they have both admitted to being intentionally cruel to her for years and to ignoring my requests that they change their behavior, requests that they call me when they are not here (since my calls to their mom's house often go unreturned) and my requests that they occasionally phone my parents (who are in their mid-80s and absolutely adore them). They admit to this and can give no justification or reasons, however weak. They refuse to rise in their own defense even.

I don't want to get the baseball coach involved at all, but he needs to know he can't count on one of his team captains and better players not being available a third of the time.
I would be spending the rest of your day looking for a family counselor for you, Wife 2.0 and your three kids. You guys are on a precipice right now and you need professional help. Forget your ex-wife. Good luck.
Actually, maybe start with Rover's counselor who helped with his daughter...

 
I need a new surround sound system and don't want another POS one in a box like I have now and the B-ray isn't working correctly. Anyone? GM, can you check with your Best Buy connections for me?
Drifter was my guy for this info.
Drifter knows stuff, lots and lots of stuff.
I'm not up to date on the latest and greatest in audio these days unfortunately. The advance of soundbars and the like has passed me by. I will echo what was said earlier - Center channel is the most important unless you are looking fora dual purpose to play music. The smaller your center and other channels the better your sub has to be

 
I lived through 24 hours at a Boy Scout campground with a bunch of adult scouting nerds.

Not something I would do again voluntarily.

Technically I didn't really do it voluntarily this time either.
Oooooof. Really hoping my boys don't get into the Scouts. Trying to get around it by taking them camping/fishing on my own terms like with beer and people I actually like.
Seems like the way to do it. My wife asked what we'd say if my son said he wanted to join and I said then I'd have to explain their bigotry and offer to start a fire somewhere with him. Win-win.

 
How old are Wife 2.0's kids and how is your relationship with them? Do your kids get along with them?
Her kids are 11 and 13. They slot between my kids.

My relationship with them started out difficult when they first moved in (call it 3 years ago) and has gotten better with time. At first I think they felt disloyal to their dad for liking and respecting me, since we are polar opposites in many ways. He is uneducated, uninterested in the world and has declared personal bankruptcy, squatted in a foreclosed house, etc.. Bottom line is that he isn't a bad guy and he loves them, but is a giant screw up.

I have also had to learn how to be a good step-parent. It isn't any easy balance to strike and I have screwed up plenty of times. Every time I do, I redouble my efforts to do better.

On the nights that my kids are not around, we have a pleasant family atmosphere around here, mostly. It actually makes me feel horribly guilty lately because it is nicer when my kids aren't here. And that feels terrible to admit. And I wish it wasn't true so much that it hurts.

My kids generally have a good relationship with the other kids, though there have been hiccups. My oldest son used to treat the other kids with the same cruelty that he treats my wife with, until we pointed out that they have no responsibility for any of this whatsover. Since then, he has been more than decent. My youngest and Wife 2.0's youngest are a year apart in age and are best buddies a lot of the time, and horrible enemies some of the time. Which is actually pretty normal, I'd think.

 
Some tough stuff to deal with for sure. The only real advice I can give is not to give up on reaching some kind of resolution no matter how tough it is. The short term will suck, but the long term will be worth it. Best of luck and be strong.

 
I need a new surround sound system and don't want another POS one in a box like I have now and the B-ray isn't working correctly. Anyone? GM, can you check with your Best Buy connections for me?
Drifter was my guy for this info.
Drifter knows stuff, lots and lots of stuff.
I'm not up to date on the latest and greatest in audio these days unfortunately. The advance of soundbars and the like has passed me by. I will echo what was said earlier - Center channel is the most important unless you are looking fora dual purpose to play music. The smaller your center and other channels the better your sub has to be
Hawks64 said:
I need a new surround sound system and don't want another POS one in a box like I have now and the B-ray isn't working correctly. Anyone? GM, can you check with your Best Buy connections for me?
Late to the party, but how much do you want to spend and what are you looking to accomplish with the final result?

ETA I saw 1-2k. Question do you want to use a receiver (equipment that takes the sound from the cable/sat TV, BluRay, Xbox/PS, etc and amplifies it to your speakers) or do you want something simple with a single speaker that you plug your TV into for the sound?

Kinda of my hobby, I used to use Paradigm speakers like tommyboy until they went to #### and now am using GoldenEar (the founder of Polk Audio and then Definitive Technology).
I'm up for suggestions. I generally just watch sports and the occasional movie.

Thanks guys!

 
You are a good man.

BTW, you would not be sending them out without a fight. You have fought the good fight, for righteous reasons, and with devotion. Not all fights are winnable. Save yourself, save your new wife, and heal. By husbanding your strength you will have it when these kids wake from the somnambulistic trace your ex has them in and they will need your strength then more than ever. If the distraction of the battle of wills with you is removed your kids will begin to examine their life with her, and upon that examination they will wonder whatever the #### were they thinking.
Redmond - We only get the glimpses of what you give us here so in know way can I or anyone else make too many assumption or presumptions about what is actually happening. I have no doubt your ex is involved at some level. I have no doubt you are trying hard but I think you need to examine the fact that your current suite of tactics are not working. You are attempting brute force and considering more brute force. You may consider the Pricess Laia advice - "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers". I don't know what the right course is but tougher love might not be it.
This and this, imo. Feels like going super-tough-love isn't going to work with kids that age...especially with the ex working against you on the other side.

 
All of this hurts so much. My previous wife, who is a real piece of work, left me, but somehow two of my kids have ended up behaving as if they hate me and blame me for everything. They hate my new wife, who is the best partner I could ever ask for. The stress of all of this has made her so unhappy and has caused massive strain in our relationship. I would never do it, but for only the second time in my life I understand how people become desperate enough to take their own lives.
I think if you just told this to each of your kids independently, would be the best start towards mending fences and feeling empathy on both sides. Your children, independent of your or your current wife, are probably feeling pain as well. Pain created by broken marriages, pain from wife 1.0, pain that maybe they aren't as important to you as your new wife is, and unimagined pains that may or may not make any sense to a seasoned adult. Bottom line, you're all in pain, you're all suffering but having an open/honest/heartfelt conversation is a great way to start the empathy train rolling in all directions.

good luck

 

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