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TLDR :fishy: :banned:

Reading the goldfish stories reminded me of a long forgotten tale from college.  One of the guys on my soccer team was throwing a party at his house.  After a couple beers it was time to burn one down.  I grabbed a buddy and we head upstairs to enjoy our spliff in peace and free from the moral judgment of some uptight teammates. 

One teammate(Mike) had babbled on about his aquarium and how great his fish were.  As luck would have it we were standing in his very room and as we blaze away the movement of the fish captured our attention and sucked us in.  I have no recollection of how we went from ’those fish are cool’ to ‘I’ll eat one if you do’ but at the time it seemed a logical progression.

In hindsight I think Mike was partly to blame as he left the net in plain sight practically begging us to use it.   We each scooped out a fish and swallowed it down  :banned: and laughed hysterically as we stared into the tank.  Not content with the carnage we had wrought we dipped the net one more time and captured two more unsuspecting morsels.  Down they went and we headed back to the party and quickly forgot about our snack.

Monday rolls around and we are at practice warming up and Mike is in a sour mood.  He is beside himself because he had to flush  :toilet:  his favorite fish because it had decimated his tank eating four of his fishes.  :lmao: :lmao:

Me and my buddy somehow held it together with a straight face and offered our condolences but never told him the true fate of fish.  Mike if you’re out there you were  a good guy and I’m sorry.  Next time hide your net.  

 
Today is "Team Up Against Drugs" (wear a jersey) Day.

I am wearing my absolutely awesome Mean Machine #22 jersey (that's not me in the pic FYI).

Only one person knows WTF it is...and it's the dude that teaches next door that is the exact same age I am.  A few kids recognized the team name from the crappy Adam Sandler version.  

Not that I expected more but it's just said that young people to day do not know their history.

 
Today is "Team Up Against Drugs" (wear a jersey) Day.

I am wearing my absolutely awesome Mean Machine #22 jersey (that's not me in the pic FYI).

Only one person knows WTF it is...and it's the dude that teaches next door that is the exact same age I am.  A few kids recognized the team name from the crappy Adam Sandler version.  

Not that I expected more but it's just said that young people to day do not know their history.
Should have worn a Josh Gordon jersey 

 
Today is "Team Up Against Drugs" (wear a jersey) Day.

I am wearing my absolutely awesome Mean Machine #22 jersey (that's not me in the pic FYI).

Only one person knows WTF it is...and it's the dude that teaches next door that is the exact same age I am.  A few kids recognized the team name from the crappy Adam Sandler version.  

Not that I expected more but it's just said that young people to day do not know their history.
Can I suit up for the "Team up For Drugs" team?

 
you win

mine eats the cat poop and barfs it up, too. litter boxes are in the basement. we haven't installed a pet door.... yet. but that's coming. stupid animal noses the door open, sneaks down there and tries to scarf down as much as she can before she gets caught.

i've caught her a couple times. it's like shining floodlights on a keg party held by 14 year olds in the woods. pure terror in her eyes as she skitters & crashes across the unfinished basement floor trying to find a place to hide.

she's 45 lbs of pure muscle. one of these days she's going to slam in to a support beam and the first floor is going to buckle.

seriously, don't get a dog. they're dumber than your 2 year old, have less impulse control than your 1 year old and care less about where they defecate than your 6 month old.
Your dog appears to have done a terrible job of training itself.

 
Your dog appears to have done a terrible job of training itself.
it was 1 1/2 (appx.) when we got it. we've had her for about 8 months at this point.

she's way better than when we got her. thanks, mostly, to rubbing her nose in her feces when she acts out of line.

also, we lock her in a closet at night.

eta: picked her up from a local shelter. they get a "bus" full of rescues from the south on a regular (weekly, i think??) basis. so, i blame @AhrnCityPahnder

 
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it was 1 1/2 (appx.) when we got it. we've had her for about 8 months at this point.

she's way better than when we got her. thanks, mostly, to rubbing her nose in her feces when she acts out of line.

also, we lock her in a closet at night.

eta: picked her up from a local shelter. they get a "bus" full of rescues from the south on a regular (weekly, i think??) basis. so, i blame @AhrnCityPahnder
Based on your description of the behavior, isn't this like rubbing my nose in donuts when I act out of line?

 
Apparently, when talking to your friends whose daughter is the one always initiating trouble, the appropriate response to, "You know, she's actually really bright," is NOT, "so was Hannibal Lecter."

 
Got through my mom's memorial service today.

Tomorrow I am pretty sure I am going to fire our contractor.

None of this is fun, but we are starting to get through this ####.

 
Got through my mom's memorial service today.

Tomorrow I am pretty sure I am going to fire our contractor.

None of this is fun, but we are starting to get through this ####.
Ugh... Sorry GB. 

Was the memorial cathartic? 

F-ing contractors. What happened there? Schedule creep end up killing his profit so he stopped working?

 
TPW Redmond and Dan. 

Mouse murder update. No deaths last night (had 8 traps set). I’ve either killed them all or they are learning...

 
wave as you go by..mix in a light beer once in a while.  gotta hydrate
I usually go with vodka soda when trying to hydrate but one time that led to me and a buddy splitting a liter after we already had several tall beers and then later getting into a coconut and wine bottle fight on the beach

 
Ugh... Sorry GB. 

Was the memorial cathartic? 

F-ing contractors. What happened there? Schedule creep end up killing his profit so he stopped working?
@DA RAIDERS

The laundry list of #### the contractor has done is a long one. The straw(s) that broke the camel's back came in the last week or so. We are really in the final stretch and he continues to have a labor problem. His best finish carpenter, who is a friend of his but a freelance sub and not an employee, is now on house arrest for violating a restraining order against his soon to be ex-wife. His other skilled guy is very nice and does good work, but it also a total flake.

The only guy who shows up regularly and works 8+ hours is a total moron. He is a 26 year old, unskilled, $15/hour moron. And our contractor has been having this idiot install door wraps with no real supervision. The quality of the work is horrific. And he has been pre-painting the door wraps with a damn foam roller. So not only is the fit and sizing awful, but the paint finish looks like alligator skin.

When I brought up these concerns to our contractor, the first thing he did was send me a budget update (which he hadn't done in months) and it was almost $50K higher than the last one.

I had a series of qualified people come through to look at the work and I explained what was going on to all of them. This group included a couple of master finish carpenters, a guy I know who owns a multi-crew professional painting company, and an older contractor who was recommended to me. They all said that the $15/hour kid is creating multiple hours of work for every hour he spends doing something more challenging than sweeping the floors.

Our project is at least 8 months behind the initial timeline and 6 months behind the more realistic one. It is horrifically over budget. And the final touches, which can make or break all the time, money and heart-ache we have invested, are on the way to looking like they were done by a high school shop class. At best. And during this project our contractor has taken two vacations, consistently left before 4 pm to coach or play soccer, and never once worked a weekend.

The older contractor I mentioned earlier has offered to come on as a consultant to help us just get the project wrapped up. He said he feels like it will serve us best to work on that basis. He will work based on an hourly rate, help us arrange and vet subs, and oversee things generally and we'll pay the subs directly. I haven't said yes to that yet, but I am pretty sure it is the direction we are heading.

 
@DA RAIDERS

The laundry list of #### the contractor has done is a long one. The straw(s) that broke the camel's back came in the last week or so. We are really in the final stretch and he continues to have a labor problem. His best finish carpenter, who is a friend of his but a freelance sub and not an employee, is now on house arrest for violating a restraining order against his soon to be ex-wife. His other skilled guy is very nice and does good work, but it also a total flake.

The only guy who shows up regularly and works 8+ hours is a total moron. He is a 26 year old, unskilled, $15/hour moron. And our contractor has been having this idiot install door wraps with no real supervision. The quality of the work is horrific. And he has been pre-painting the door wraps with a damn foam roller. So not only is the fit and sizing awful, but the paint finish looks like alligator skin.

When I brought up these concerns to our contractor, the first thing he did was send me a budget update (which he hadn't done in months) and it was almost $50K higher than the last one.

I had a series of qualified people come through to look at the work and I explained what was going on to all of them. This group included a couple of master finish carpenters, a guy I know who owns a multi-crew professional painting company, and an older contractor who was recommended to me. They all said that the $15/hour kid is creating multiple hours of work for every hour he spends doing something more challenging than sweeping the floors.

Our project is at least 8 months behind the initial timeline and 6 months behind the more realistic one. It is horrifically over budget. And the final touches, which can make or break all the time, money and heart-ache we have invested, are on the way to looking like they were done by a high school shop class. At best. And during this project our contractor has taken two vacations, consistently left before 4 pm to coach or play soccer, and never once worked a weekend.

The older contractor I mentioned earlier has offered to come on as a consultant to help us just get the project wrapped up. He said he feels like it will serve us best to work on that basis. He will work based on an hourly rate, help us arrange and vet subs, and oversee things generally and we'll pay the subs directly. I haven't said yes to that yet, but I am pretty sure it is the direction we are heading.
Horrible. Even worse, sounds like you're going to end up with lawyers involved one way or the other.

 
Horrible. Even worse, sounds like you're going to end up with lawyers involved one way or the other.
I actually doubt that lawyers will be involved. One warning sign I should have picked up on is that our contractor has had some bad "luck" with "unreasonable" clients before us. He told us horror stories about trying to collect from some of them. Of course, now we understand that it was probably less a matter of luck and the unreasonableness of his clients and more a matter of his business practices. The most notable thing in those stories is that while he protested and complained about those folks, he eventually skulked away without collecting what he believed he was owed.

I can't imagine that he is so deluded that he thinks an accurate and complete airing of the details of our experience to a neutral party would go well for him.

I am not big on making threats. But if he threatens us with legal action or threatens to rat us out for not having proper permits for some of the work, we can tell him that we will simply tell our story accurately to the local community Facebook pages for the three main communities in our vicinity. That is where ALL of his work comes from. He won't want that at all, I don't think. And it would also reflect poorly on the architect, who is a buddy of the contractor's, as well.

 
You could also post your story on Angie's List & Home Advisor if you decide to go that route.
I could. I sincerely hope it isn't necessary though.

I am angry and frustrated, but I am really trying to reduce the drama in our lives, rather than amp it up.

The good news is that most of the real, substantial work has been done properly, I believe. But spending zillions of dollars to buy and upgrade a house only to have the final touches look like something out of do-it-yourself rental property rehab is unacceptable.

 
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I could. I sincerely hope it isn't necessary though.

I am angry and frustrated, but I am really trying to reduce the drama in our lives, rather than amp it up.
Oh, I hear ya. And I hope it resolves as painlessly as possible. You've been through enough lately.

I think you're doing the right thing bringing a consultant in, too. Best of luck.

 
Oh, I hear ya. And I hope it resolves as painlessly as possible. You've been through enough lately.

I think you're doing the right thing bringing a consultant in, too. Best of luck.
I am actually learning from my mistakes now, I hope.

Can you give me your thoughts on this proposal from the older contractor?

An alternate option is simply suggesting hiring myself as a Construction Consultant and or Job Coordinator as opposed to hiring a replacement General Contractor. 

There are a lot of details that would need to be discussed if the idea is of interest to you.

  • As a consultant, I would be paid hourly. 
  • All materials and subcontractors would be paid directly by you avoiding the typical General Contractor  P&O markup.
  • I would source, screen and coordinate all of the new or needed subcontractors. 
  • I would require a list of the subcontractors names and contact information you are currently using.
  • New subcontractor rates, availability, receipts of insurance certificates and so on would be presented to you for your approval prior to hiring.
I’m sure additional descriptions of scope of work can or might be required or requested. 

Per my previous other email, the timing required to assume responsibilities as a General Contractor, do not benefit you or your move in schedule.

Let me know if this concept is of interest to you. 

 
I could. I sincerely hope it isn't necessary though.

I am angry and frustrated, but I am really trying to reduce the drama in our lives, rather than amp it up.
I am all for reducing drama and working towards the result that will make you happy and lets you enjoy your house.

With that said make sure you are gathering documentation of phone calls, pictures of shoddy work etc. if things escalate

and sending good vibes your way that this is resolved quickly

 
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I think that, this close to the finish line, what he's proposing scope-wise is better for buttoning this project up than hiring a new GC (who may want to undo more work than maybe needs to be undone, if you know what I mean). That's generally speaking, as you'll have to determine how the numbers/schedule work for you.

eta: I don't recall - is this gent someone you know?

 
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I could. I sincerely hope it isn't necessary though.

I am angry and frustrated, but I am really trying to reduce the drama in our lives, rather than amp it up.

The good news is that most of the real, substantial work has been done properly, I believe. But spending zillions of dollars to buy and upgrade a house only to have the final touches look like something out of do-it-yourself rental property rehab is unacceptable.
I shudder to ask... but has the architect been awol too? IME, they're the ones that should have been putting their foot down about the quality and getting fixes- not you. 

 
I think that, this close to the finish line, what he's proposing scope-wise is better for buttoning this project up than hiring a new GC (who may want to undo more work than maybe needs to be undone, if you know what I mean). That's generally speaking, as you'll have to determine how the numbers/schedule work for you.

eta: I don't recall - is this gent someone you know?
If by "this gent" you mean the older guy, then no, I don't know him personally. But the guy I know who owns the painting company has worked as a sub of his for years. He says he is a real SOB to work for, but if my friend was doing a remodel project he wouldn't hire anybody else. That's a pretty good recommendation.

I also was very impressed by him the other day when he came out to look at the house. He took copious notes and was obviously very Type A about everything on the job site. He was pointing out little imperfections in the drywall and various other areas and suggesting what could be done to fix them. But when I explained to him that some of that is beyond the scope of what we have the money, time, or inclination to remediate, he immediately focused on our chief concerns.

 
I shudder to ask... but has the architect been awol too? IME, they're the ones that should have been putting their foot down about the quality and getting fixes- not you. 
Completely AWOL.

The architect was really the one who got us in this pickle to begin with. He was vague about which aspects of our project would require major permits (which in our county take 7-9 months to acquire) versus counter permits, but he made it sound like only converting the detached garage into livable space would certainly require a full remodel permit. So we bought the house.

Then suddenly there were remodel permits needed for all sorts of stuff.

He then suggested that we could work "ahead of permits" and the contractor said he would do that. We didn't really fully appreciate the gravity of what we agreed to at that time, I guess.

Then after a bit of work, the architect told us that he couldn't be involved any more because we were doing too much without proper permits. And we really haven't seen or heard from him since.

Later, when I was bringing up my concerns and frustrations to the contractor he told me that he was really doing us "a favor" by doing it without permitting. As if that was supposed to make us okay with delays, overruns, and poor work. He also never said anything like that when the decision was made to move forward without them.

We take responsibility for our part in this: we were naive, trusting, and in some cases down right stupid. But we were led by the hand into this situation by people that have lots of experience. I don't believe it to be the case, but it hasn't escaped my notice that this could have been an elaborate and well-orchestrated scam to get us on the hook and in a jam in order to extract maximum dollars from us. More likely, it is just the logical result from dealing with people who operate with bad business practices and have zero sense of accountability.

 
@DA RAIDERS

The laundry list of #### the contractor has done is a long one. The straw(s) that broke the camel's back came in the last week or so. We are really in the final stretch and he continues to have a labor problem. His best finish carpenter, who is a friend of his but a freelance sub and not an employee, is now on house arrest for violating a restraining order against his soon to be ex-wife. His other skilled guy is very nice and does good work, but it also a total flake.

The only guy who shows up regularly and works 8+ hours is a total moron. He is a 26 year old, unskilled, $15/hour moron. And our contractor has been having this idiot install door wraps with no real supervision. The quality of the work is horrific. And he has been pre-painting the door wraps with a damn foam roller. So not only is the fit and sizing awful, but the paint finish looks like alligator skin.

When I brought up these concerns to our contractor, the first thing he did was send me a budget update (which he hadn't done in months) and it was almost $50K higher than the last one.

I had a series of qualified people come through to look at the work and I explained what was going on to all of them. This group included a couple of master finish carpenters, a guy I know who owns a multi-crew professional painting company, and an older contractor who was recommended to me. They all said that the $15/hour kid is creating multiple hours of work for every hour he spends doing something more challenging than sweeping the floors.

Our project is at least 8 months behind the initial timeline and 6 months behind the more realistic one. It is horrifically over budget. And the final touches, which can make or break all the time, money and heart-ache we have invested, are on the way to looking like they were done by a high school shop class. At best. And during this project our contractor has taken two vacations, consistently left before 4 pm to coach or play soccer, and never once worked a weekend.

The older contractor I mentioned earlier has offered to come on as a consultant to help us just get the project wrapped up. He said he feels like it will serve us best to work on that basis. He will work based on an hourly rate, help us arrange and vet subs, and oversee things generally and we'll pay the subs directly. I haven't said yes to that yet, but I am pretty sure it is the direction we are heading.
Yea, that would make me murderous. Can you stop paying the GC until some one does the work correctly, or F it, can his ### is the best solution. Sounds awful. 

 
Was watching the local news last night after the baseball game with my in-laws.  Wasn't really paying attention, but then the news flashed the face of this guy along with the story and my heart sank.  I lived next door to this monster when I lived in a townhouse after my divorce.  Mother ####### piece of garbage was diddling his girlfriend's daughters and some other girls that lived in the complex.  This guy wouldn't leave me alone, always posted crap on my FB feed and I finally defriended him altogether and forgot all about him.  Until last night.  I am sick over this.  Hope he gets the similar treatment in prison he doled out to innocent little girls.  

 
I could. I sincerely hope it isn't necessary though.

I am angry and frustrated, but I am really trying to reduce the drama in our lives, rather than amp it up.

The good news is that most of the real, substantial work has been done properly, I believe. But spending zillions of dollars to buy and upgrade a house only to have the final touches look like something out of do-it-yourself rental property rehab is unacceptable.
I rented a villa in St. John one time that ended up being seriously sub standard. Bed bugs, serious safety concerns for my toddler, false advertising in that the ####### kitchen was in a different building than the rest of the house. But I digress, after giving the guy every opportunity to come right and offer a discount or something. I went nuclear on the social media, innerwebs threat. I was detailed and told him exactly what I was going to do if he didn't do the right thing. He immediately acquiesced and refunded the last week to me with a written mandate, that I not drop the innerweb bomb on him after the fact.  I agreed. People suck

 
Completely AWOL.

The architect was really the one who got us in this pickle to begin with. He was vague about which aspects of our project would require major permits (which in our county take 7-9 months to acquire) versus counter permits, but he made it sound like only converting the detached garage into livable space would certainly require a full remodel permit. So we bought the house.

Then suddenly there were remodel permits needed for all sorts of stuff.

He then suggested that we could work "ahead of permits" and the contractor said he would do that. We didn't really fully appreciate the gravity of what we agreed to at that time, I guess.

Then after a bit of work, the architect told us that he couldn't be involved any more because we were doing too much without proper permits. And we really haven't seen or heard from him since.

Later, when I was bringing up my concerns and frustrations to the contractor he told me that he was really doing us "a favor" by doing it without permitting. As if that was supposed to make us okay with delays, overruns, and poor work. He also never said anything like that when the decision was made to move forward without them.

We take responsibility for our part in this: we were naive, trusting, and in some cases down right stupid. But we were led by the hand into this situation by people that have lots of experience. I don't believe it to be the case, but it hasn't escaped my notice that this could have been an elaborate and well-orchestrated scam to get us on the hook and in a jam in order to extract maximum dollars from us. More likely, it is just the logical result from dealing with people who operate with bad business practices and have zero sense of accountability.
such a different world. I can't take a step forward with construction if I don't have all the permits and building/county approvals in place. 

I guess I understand what these guys were offering- it's great to not have to be at the mercy of the local DOB timetables, although there are inherent risks in getting red-flagged and/or held up/fined. tbh- I don't think they did this as a scam... I do believe they were all doing you and the project a favor by risking moving forward without the permits.

That said, I don't understand the architects walking away because the project moved forward per their recommendations. And it should be in their contract to have ongoing regular site-visits to oversee construction and ensure the work is being done to per their drawings and intent to their satisfaction. and not being performed by well-meaning but inexperienced guys who have no business going near finish work. unless I had a client who had completely stopped fulfilling the contract (not payed), this last phase is where I spend a lot of time on site punch-listing and making sure everything that's been built right LOOKS right too. eta: I can't imagine just walking away from this crucial part of the project. like walking outside without a scarf.

dammit. this all makes me pissed... can't imagine what you're feeling- especially with everything else going on. so sorry. maybe ask the 12yo to pinch a nicer bottle of whiskey next time, to be instantly confiscated.

 
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