this being my second go-round, and having talked to other guys with kids, there's one thing of which i am certain.. no matter what... never ever ever ever tell your wife that you are exhausted during the first 2-3 months after she has had a baby.you worked 10 hours today? so ####ing what. she took care of the baby all day.you stayed up with the baby until midnight, got up at 3 and 5:30, then went to work for 10 hours? so ####ing what. she took care of the baby all day.you stayed up with the baby until midnight, got up at 3 and 5:30, then went to work for 10 hours, then came home to make dinner, do the dishes and shovel 10" of snow? so ####ing what. she took care of the baby all day.we get that taking care of the baby all day is hard work, really we do.... so when we fall asleep on the couch at 3 on a sunday because we are running on 3 hours of sleep a night for 3 weeks running, please don't get upset with us and tell us we don't know what it's like to be tired... just let us nap for 45 minutes or an hour. trust us, when we fall asleep involuntarily it's not a slap in your face of the faces of women who for thousands of years have taken care of babies all by themselves.. and we're certainly not mocking you by collapsing between the toilet and the bathroom sink... it's just that our brain has blacked out, like when you drank that half-liter of vodka in 20 minutes at our friends house 15 years ago. when the baby shrieks in about 30 minutes, and the 2 year old steps on our nuts, elbows our throat and knees our forehead again to play "climb the mountain" we'll wake up and make sure to get right on top of those dishes, and dinner, and diapers, and yes.. you can take an hour shower and 3 hour nap because we don't know what it's really like to be tired. we're just ####ing ###holes.

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