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[Run It Up]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[NCCommish]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.

It's been legal for decades.

 

[bentley]

NCC - what about a law against prostitution then? Or the strip club tax?

Why do we only invoke the "my body my choice" argument only on this issue and not anything else related to women?

Its a stupid argument that has no basis in reality but it makes a heck of a bumper sticker and chant, though.

I am for legal prostitution and I have no problem with "sin taxes" in general. Strip club taxes don't stop a damn thing.

These are laws that women voted for restricting what men can do with their body.

IK is right. The only relevant question is whether or not abortion is murder. everything else if fluff.

 

[NCCommish]

NCC - what about a law against prostitution then? Or the strip club tax?

Why do we only invoke the "my body my choice" argument only on this issue and not anything else related to women?

Its a stupid argument that has no basis in reality but it makes a heck of a bumper sticker and chant, though.

I am for legal prostitution and I have no problem with "sin taxes" in general. Strip club taxes don't stop a damn thing.

These are laws that women voted for restricting what men can do with their body.

IK is right. The only relevant question is whether or not abortion is murder. everything else if fluff.

And so these laws were heard by an all female panel of legislators and passed with primarily the women putting it over the top? I doubt that.

Not to mention most of those laws are so old they were passed by men because women didn't even have the right to vote when they were passed.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

I agree with this, but that's exactly where pro-life people are coming from. Women (people in general) should have the right to do what they please as long as they aren't hurting anybody else. That's why I think prostitution should be legal, strip clubs should be legal, drugs should be legal, etc. Those may be vices, but they're victimless, so even if you have a moral objection to those things there's no good justification for legislating against them.

Pro-life people think that abortion is different precisely because there is a victim involved, namely the fetus. That's what makes laws against abortion more like laws against rape and murder and less like laws against prostitution or against selling booze on a Sunday. I'm open to the argument that pro-life people are totally wrong about the fetus being a victim, but that's really where the disagreement on this issue springs from. It's not a "role of government" issue even though people sometimes spin it that way.

 

[R Dizzle]

NCC - what about a law against prostitution then? Or the strip club tax?

Why do we only invoke the "my body my choice" argument only on this issue and not anything else related to women?

Its a stupid argument that has no basis in reality but it makes a heck of a bumper sticker and chant, though.

I am for legal prostitution and I have no problem with "sin taxes" in general. Strip club taxes don't stop a damn thing.

These are laws that women voted for restricting what men can do with their body.

IK is right. The only relevant question is whether or not abortion is murder. everything else if fluff.

 

[TobiasFunke]

No matter which side of the abortion debate you're on, comparing abortion laws to other laws don't work. Yes it's a woman's body, but there's another living thing inside of it. Yes, it's another living thing, but it's a living thing that depends entirely upon the woman for its existence until the pregnancy is 5-6 months old. There is no analogous situation. Other than maybe some weird Siamese twin type situation, I guess.

 

[RCon]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.

It's been legal for decades.

So was slavery.

Look, I'm (reluctantly) pro-choice, but the fact is, most of these arguments are stupid and full of non-sensical logic. IvanK is right; the ONLY argument here is whether abortion violates the rights of the fetus. "It's been legal for decades" is colossally stupid as justification, and I'm sure you can see that. "It's my body" is also colossally stupid and irrelevant for this particular issue.

 

[shader]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

 

[shader]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.

It's been legal for decades.

So was slavery.

 

[badmojo1006]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.

It's been legal for decades.

So was slavery.

You are comparing slavery to abortion?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

So...I don't know if this has been covered here yet, but it really seems the most important question of all:

Wendy Davis....would you?

I say yes.

 

[culdeus]

If you GOP types really want to explode your head google who her GOP opponent was in this election. You'll get a giggle. He's a JonMx clone.

 

[Run It Up]

So...I don't know if this has been covered here yet, but it really seems the most important question of all:

Wendy Davis....would you?

I say yes.

If she promises to abort our love child, although I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have to worry about that.

 

[shader]

BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.

Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis

Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.

I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?

cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.

It's been legal for decades.

So was slavery.

You are comparing slavery to abortion?

Slavery wasn't nearly as bad

 

[NCCommish]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

Until the fetus you worship can exist without the mother it is essentially an organ.

 

[shader]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

Until the fetus you worship can exist without the mother it is essentially an organ.

I disagree and don't worship a fetus anymore than I worship a newborn baby that gets dumped in a dumpster.

Also, saying it's essentially an organ is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this board, which is quite ironic, as it comes from a very intelligent poster.

 

[badmojo1006]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

Until the fetus you worship can exist without the mother it is essentially an organ.

I disagree and don't worship a fetus anymore than I worship a newborn baby that gets dumped in a dumpster.

Also, saying it's essentially an organ is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this board, which is quite ironic, as it comes from a very intelligent poster.

From your posts, I am guessing you are in favor of giving a fetus "Full Human rights" at the moment it is conceived. Correct?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

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[shader]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

Until the fetus you worship can exist without the mother it is essentially an organ.

I disagree and don't worship a fetus anymore than I worship a newborn baby that gets dumped in a dumpster.

Also, saying it's essentially an organ is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this board, which is quite ironic, as it comes from a very intelligent poster.

From your posts, I am guessing you are in favor of giving a fetus "Full Human rights" at the moment it is conceived. Correct?

The only thing I'm saying is that willfully aborting a baby is wrong. That's it. I really don't care what laws are made. The government is just making laws that are supported by the majority of the people. The real problem is that there are so many people out there that don't think twice about killing the baby inside them. But that's not a problem the government can fix.

 

[RCon]

You are comparing slavery to abortion?

No, I am not. I am suggesting that the argument "It's been legal for decades, therefore we cannot make it illegal now" is a stupid argument. As an example of this, I submit that "Slavery has been legal for decades, therefore we cannot make slavery illegal now" would have been a really dumb argument to make.

 

[pantagrapher]

Oh fun. An abortion thread.

 

[Uwe Blab]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

Right they are all just whores. What a ####### joke.

I didn't call them that. Although I personally think murdering the unborn baby in your stomach is just as bad as whoring out your body. Would have sucked if your mom had murdered you. Oh wait, killed you when you were a fetus. Or wait, that wasn't you was it? It was some random fetus that magically turned into you when you were born, right?

Until the fetus you worship can exist without the mother it is essentially an organ.

Right its not much different than a spleen before that time. Now THAT is a ####### joke.

 

[Uwe Blab]

Oh fun. An abortion thread.

Lol. Yeah, it will all get solved this time. I don't know why I bother...same old arguments. Same old rhetoric.

 

[Christo]

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

For those of you confused about what begging the question is, here is a perfect example.

 

[badmojo1006]

Shader - The only thing I'm saying is that willfully aborting a baby is wrong. That's it. I really don't care what laws are made. The government is just making laws that are supported by the majority of the people. The real problem is that there are so many people out there that don't think twice about killing the baby inside them. But that's not a problem the government can fix.

You never answered my question. At what point do you give "Full Human rights and protections" to the fetus? Conception? When it is viable outside the womb? When it is born?

 

[Christo]

Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

And here is an example of pure cluelessness.

 

[shader]

Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

And here is an example of pure cluelessness.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Love this stuff. Sorry I missed it. Good for her for doing her job. More state legislatures should be under the microscope and have more on the ground level fighting like this where the people can see exactly what is going on. I don't even care about the sides of the bill or the bill itself. This is the way that debate and disagreement should happen - on the floor, in full view of everyone and sometime ugly and outright boring. Not in 30 second sound and video clips taken so out of context that it becomes ridiculous.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Oh fun. An abortion thread.

I predict that many minds will be changed.

 

[shader]

Shader - The only thing I'm saying is that willfully aborting a baby is wrong. That's it. I really don't care what laws are made. The government is just making laws that are supported by the majority of the people. The real problem is that there are so many people out there that don't think twice about killing the baby inside them. But that's not a problem the government can fix.

You never answered my question. At what point do you give "Full Human rights and protections" to the fetus? Conception? When it is viable outside the womb? When it is born?

I don't care. It's not as if my opinion is going to make a difference in the Supreme Court. I'm completely unconcerned with the politics involved in the debate.

The science behind the matter is clear. Your life begins at the moment of conception, and "fetus" is just a stage of life that many people obviously feel is of little significance.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Oh fun. An abortion thread.

I predict that many minds will be changed.

I don't know where I stand on abortion anymore. Gun to my head, I find it to be such a useless waste of political capital and public monies to fight over when there are so many more pressing things that need to be addressed.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

 

[Gawain]

Oh fun. An abortion thread.

I predict that many minds will be changed.

I don't know where I stand on abortion anymore. Gun to my head, I find it to be such a useless waste of political capital and public monies to fight over when there are so many more pressing things that need to be addressed.

All something like this does is turn more people into one-issue voters. I'm disappointed that Republicans gave up so easy. There was the potential for much more hilarity if the bill was ramrodded through.

 

[Fennis]

Hey Shader do you protest outside abortion clinics?

 

[shader]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

 

[shader]

Hey Shader do you protest outside abortion clinics?

of course not

 

[TobiasFunke]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

 

[Christo]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Your statement was not one of opinion, it was one of fact--an incorrect fact.

 

[Fennis]

Hey Shader do you protest outside abortion clinics?

of course not

 

[badmojo1006]

Hey Shader do you protest outside abortion clinics?

of course not

Why not?

 

[shader]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

I understand that some people have the opinion that it is not murder. I don't share that opinion. I feel it's murderous, disgusting and immoral. Yes, I would imagine that would be highly obnoxious and annoying to people who don't share that opinion. I respect their right to an opinion, which is why I don't go protest abortion clinics, get involved in the ridiculous political debates and try to force them to share my opinion.

But I still reserve the right to express my opinion, which is that it's murder and those that willingly terminate the life of their fetus are murderers.

 

[shader]

Hey Shader do you protest outside abortion clinics?

of course not

Why not?

Why would I? It's supply and demand. There are people that want to have abortions, and that demand is met by a supply of people willing to perform them. Who am I going to protest? All of them? Yes, I think it's awful on both sides. But the problem is a moral issue in society. If that doesn't change, then nothing can be done to stop it.

 

[shader]

It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.

They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.

Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.

Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.

Yes, that is highly hypocritical. Doesn't mean allowing abortion is moral though. It's still a sick, disgusting act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever.

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Your statement was not one of opinion, it was one of fact--an incorrect fact.

which part was "incorrect"

 

[TobiasFunke]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

I understand that some people have the opinion that it is not murder. I don't share that opinion. I feel it's murderous, disgusting and immoral. Yes, I would imagine that would be highly obnoxious and annoying to people who don't share that opinion. I respect their right to an opinion, which is why I don't go protest abortion clinics, get involved in the ridiculous political debates and try to force them to share my opinion.

But I still reserve the right to express my opinion, which is that it's murder and those that willingly terminate the life of their fetus are murderers.

You might want to think about expressing your opinion as opinion. it's much less obnoxious. Not only is being less obnoxious a good goal on its own, you're also more likely to get people who may be on the fence to listen to you if you put aside dooshbaggery like "it's a sick obnoxious act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever." That's not only an opinion masquerading as fact, but you also went out of your way to underscore it by adding "absolutely" and "whatsoever."

You weren't trying to make a useful point, you were trying to get up in everyone's face with how totally devoted you are to your side of the debate, as if another perspective can't possibly exist. That's what makes it clueless.

 

[shader]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

I understand that some people have the opinion that it is not murder. I don't share that opinion. I feel it's murderous, disgusting and immoral. Yes, I would imagine that would be highly obnoxious and annoying to people who don't share that opinion. I respect their right to an opinion, which is why I don't go protest abortion clinics, get involved in the ridiculous political debates and try to force them to share my opinion.

But I still reserve the right to express my opinion, which is that it's murder and those that willingly terminate the life of their fetus are murderers.

You might want to think about expressing your opinion as opinion. it's much less obnoxious. Not only is being less obnoxious a good goal on its own, you're also more likely to get people who may be on the fence to listen to you if you put aside dooshbaggery like "it's a sick obnoxious act done by women with absolutely no morals whatsoever." That's not only an opinion masquerading as fact, but you also went out of your way to underscore it by adding "absolutely" and "whatsoever."

You weren't trying to make a useful point, you were trying to get up in everyone's face with how totally devoted you are to your side of the debate, as if another perspective can't possibly exist. That's what makes it clueless.

Perhaps you are right. I typically try to stay level-headed in most discussions. My opinions on abortion are very strong and I can get angrier than I should on a message board.

 

[jhib]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

This is the kind of thing that gets me about the subject of abortion. With most topics, I'm an "it's all about the subtleties and grey areas" kind of guy and the people at the extremes bother me a lot. But with abortion, I actually respect those people at the extremes*. I mean, if you feel that abortion is indeed murder, than that should pretty much overwhelm any other moral/ethical complication out there, shouldn't it. If instead, the fetus is "essentially an organ," than what's the problem with it at all? Is there any moral complication to having an appendectomy?

* I'm not talking the people that would kill abortion doctors, but definitely peaceful protestors.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Perhaps you are right. I typically try to stay level-headed in most discussions. My opinions on abortion are very strong and I can get angrier than I should on a message board.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and to voice that opinion. But there's definitely a difference in tone between "I think this is immoral and repugnant" and "this is immoral and repugnant."

 

[shader]

You are even worse in the FFA than the Shark Pool. Totally clueless.

How can having an opinion that differs from yours (and that is shared by hundreds of millions of people) make me clueless?

Because you're not acknowledging that it's an opinion that differs from yours. You're stating it as unassailable fact. It's obnoxious and annoying. It's an issue with a lot of subtlety and gray areas and you're acting as if they don't exist. You're just as bad as the people on the other side of the issue who act like ending the life of a fetus before birth is a nothing act with zero moral and ethical complications.

This is the kind of thing that gets me about the subject of abortion. With most topics, I'm an "it's all about the subtleties and grey areas" kind of guy and the people at the extremes bother me a lot. But with abortion, I actually respect those people at the extremes*. I mean, if you feel that abortion is indeed murder, than that should pretty much overwhelm any other moral/ethical complication out there, shouldn't it. If instead, the fetus is "essentially an organ," than what's the problem with it at all? Is there any moral complication to having an appendectomy?

* I'm not talking the people that would kill abortion doctors, but definitely peaceful protestors.

Good points. I don't "respect" the opinion of people that think it's fine to abort a baby, so I come across angrier than I should. I think the opinion that a fetus is essentially an organ is laughable, so I respond as such.

If I held the opinion that slavery was ok and should still be occurring, I'm sure I would get blasted with anger, and rightfully so. That being said, there is a right way to frame a debate, and just reacting with anger is never a great move. But it's a touchy subject.

 

[SacramentoBob]

There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.

For those of you confused about what begging the question is, here is a perfect example.

I think Pickles handled this a few years ago.