God in the old testament (1 Viewer)

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Are we supposed to not question the part in our deity's autobiography where he practices intolerance and slaughters innocents for fun?

"do as I say not as I do"

 

[SproutDaddy]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

 

[timschochet]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

Among those who believe in the Bible, there are people who believe the Book of Job to be a parable. But there are other people, also very religious, who believe that everything in the Bible is the literal truth, including Job.

Not sure why I, as an atheist, should give more credence to your POV than to theirs.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

"I learned it from watching you!"

 

[fatness]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

 

[Ballstein]

The context is not just God and man. If you look at it from the perspective of just God and man, God can look pretty bad. But when the context includes fallen angels and all the havoc they've created with man, it becomes clearer. I used to have a hard time understanding why God would kill the entire world with a flood, until I came to the belief that some of the fallen angels produced their own race of offspring by mating with human women, and it corrupted the world so badly that essentially rebooting the entire world with only 8 people was the most loving thing God could do to save mankind from the sins those fallen angels committed.

Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Isn't that what Hitler wanted to do too? wipe out the"bad" people?

Looks like God wins this match too since the loons bring out the Hitler references.

Hitler reference already used by the 3rd poster in. You're way too late.

sorry, i should have used Stalin.

 

[matuski]

The context is not just God and man. If you look at it from the perspective of just God and man, God can look pretty bad. But when the context includes fallen angels and all the havoc they've created with man, it becomes clearer. I used to have a hard time understanding why God would kill the entire world with a flood, until I came to the belief that some of the fallen angels produced their own race of offspring by mating with human women, and it corrupted the world so badly that essentially rebooting the entire world with only 8 people was the most loving thing God could do to save mankind from the sins those fallen angels committed.

Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Was this a serious post?

 

[fatness]

The context is not just God and man. If you look at it from the perspective of just God and man, God can look pretty bad. But when the context includes fallen angels and all the havoc they've created with man, it becomes clearer. I used to have a hard time understanding why God would kill the entire world with a flood, until I came to the belief that some of the fallen angels produced their own race of offspring by mating with human women, and it corrupted the world so badly that essentially rebooting the entire world with only 8 people was the most loving thing God could do to save mankind from the sins those fallen angels committed.

Ephesians 6:12King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Was this a serious post?

He's posted similar stuff before, so yeah. God does bad stuff to people because he's good because......BAD ANGELS!

 

[Otis]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

How do we know which parts are just shtick?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

What is funny is that if the Bible was written by anyone else portraying God in this light God would have filed to keep it off the market. You would think God could edit himself better.

 

[Galileo]

The context is not just God and man. If you look at it from the perspective of just God and man, God can look pretty bad. But when the context includes fallen angels and all the havoc they've created with man, it becomes clearer. I used to have a hard time understanding why God would kill the entire world with a flood, until I came to the belief that some of the fallen angels produced their own race of offspring by mating with human women, and it corrupted the world so badly that essentially rebooting the entire world with only 8 people was the most loving thing God could do to save mankind from the sins those fallen angels committed.

Ephesians 6:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Was this a serious post?

He's posted similar stuff before, so yeah. God does bad stuff to people because he's good because......BAD ANGELS!

It would seem to me that an omnipotent god would have had the means to prevent a few fallen angels from corrupting his creation.

 

[Jayrok]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

The Author of the book of James seemed to think Job's story was real (James 5:11).

 

[Politician Spock]

The context is not just God and man. If you look at it from the perspective of just God and man, God can look pretty bad. But when the context includes fallen angels and all the havoc they've created with man, it becomes clearer. I used to have a hard time understanding why God would kill the entire world with a flood, until I came to the belief that some of the fallen angels produced their own race of offspring by mating with human women, and it corrupted the world so badly that essentially rebooting the entire world with only 8 people was the most loving thing God could do to save mankind from the sins those fallen angels committed.

Ephesians 6:12

King James Version (KJV)

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Was this a serious post?

He's posted similar stuff before, so yeah. God does bad stuff to people because he's good because......BAD ANGELS!

It would seem to me that an omnipotent god would have had the means to prevent a few fallen angels from corrupting his creation.

It Happenedtm

This is the whole premise of Satan. And Satan has never worked alone.

 

[Politician Spock]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

 

[Jayrok]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

I didn't realize you read Genesis as literal history.

 

[SacramentoBob]

@ the entire wrestling story.

Jacob got up during the night, took his two wives, his two women servants, and his eleven sons, and crossed the Jabbok River’s shallow water. He took them and everything that belonged to him, and he helped them cross the river. But Jacob stayed apart by himself, and a man wrestled with him until dawn broke.

So Jacob gets his wife and kids up in the middle of the night, sends them across a river then "wrestles with a man" until dawn. Nothing gay about that. At all.

 

[Politician Spock]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

I didn't realize you read Genesis as literal history.

I do, but my definition of "in the beginning" isn't the same as most literalists. Most literalists believe that it means absolutely nothing ever happened outside the world as we know it. To me it means the beginning of the world as we know it.

 

[joffer]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

I didn't realize you read Genesis as literal history.

I do, but my definition of "in the beginning" isn't the same as most literalists. Most literalists believe that it means absolutely nothing ever happened outside the world as we know it. To me it means the beginning of the world as we know it.

Holy cow

 

[Ballstein]

@ the entire wrestling story.

Jacob got up during the night, took his two wives, his two women servants, and his eleven sons, and crossed the Jabbok River’s shallow water. He took them and everything that belonged to him, and he helped them cross the river. But Jacob stayed apart by himself, and a man wrestled with him until dawn broke.

So Jacob gets his wife and kids up in the middle of the night, sends them across a river then "wrestles with a man" until dawn. Nothing gay about that. At all.

What he doesn't tell you is that Jacob had an uncanny resembalence to Ric Flair. At he end of the match he says "Whooooooohoooo!".

 

[tonydead]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

Hey normal Jesus freaks, does this guy creep you out a little bit? Now you know how we feel.

 

[urbanhack]

Mark 16: 17-18, which reads: 'And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.'

http://rt.com/usa/snake-handling-pastor-dies-334/

 

[Otis]

at the wrestling

 

[Jayrod]

Ezekiel 23:20 "[SIZE=.75em] [/SIZE]There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

 

[Jayrod]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

 

[Jayrok]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

You mean the New Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira. I find that one interesting too. Church goers today don't seem to be worried a similar fate could ever happen to them. It's almost as if they view it as just a story.

The story of Moses' time in the spotlight can be confusing, but it appears there are multiple threads interwoven through the text and sort of spliced together by the final editors.

It's similar to the first parts of Genesis where there are two creation stories and two flood stories spliced together. A good book on the documentary hypothesis is Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

You mean the New Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira. I find that one interesting too. Church goers today don't seem to be worried a similar fate could ever happen to them. It's almost as if they view it as just a story.

The story of Moses' time in the spotlight can be confusing, but it appears there are multiple threads interwoven through the text and sort of spliced together by the final editors.

It's similar to the first parts of Genesis where there are two creation stories and two flood stories spliced together. A good book on the documentary hypothesis is Who Wrote the Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman.

I would have thought that the Conservapedia would have scrubbed the communist roots of Christianity away. But they left it in!

 

[fatness]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

So no fossils of nephilim. Just human fossils. Which proves they were nephilim. Got it.

 

[fatness]

@ the entire wrestling story.

Jacob got up during the night, took his two wives, his two women servants, and his eleven sons, and crossed the Jabbok River’s shallow water. He took them and everything that belonged to him, and he helped them cross the river. But Jacob stayed apart by himself, and a man wrestled with him until dawn broke.

So Jacob gets his wife and kids up in the middle of the night, sends them across a river then "wrestles with a man" until dawn. Nothing gay about that. At all.

What he doesn't tell you is that Jacob had an uncanny resembalence to Ric Flair. At he end of the match he says "Whooooooohoooo!".

To BE the nephilim, you gotta BEAT the nephilim. "Whooooooohoooo!".

 

[Dr Oadi]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

Maybe they are the species apes and humans evolved from.

 

[Politician Spock]

I don't recall Hitler encountering nephilim.

I don't recall anyone encountering nephilim. Did they find fossils of them or something?

They had bodies of men and spirits of angels. Some people believe the Greek and Roman mythologies are stories of the sinning angles and the nephilim. They saw the sinning angels as "gods" and their offspring with human women as "demigods".

The angels that committed that sin are locked up in the abyss. The Nephilim's bodies were killed in the flood. Any remnants of their bodies would look like human bodies, because they had human bodies. Their spirits however did not die because they had spirits of angels. Their spirits lived on roaming the earth. They are called demons (the etimology of the word "demon" goes back to "demigod"). This is why demons posses things like humans and pigs.

The angels locked up in the abyss will be released at the 5th trumpet. The book of Jubilee says 90% of the demons on the earth were locked up in the abyss too per Noah's request to God. So when the 5th Trumpet sounds and the abyss is opened the world will once again be filled with the fallen angels and their demon offspring, "just as in the days of Noah".

So no fossils of nephilim. Just human fossils. Which proves they were nephilim. Got it.

Prove?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think it is funny how someone thinks these arguments are new or something when God addressed them in the Bible thousands of years ago in the book of Job.

If the Bible is real, then nothing surprises Him and man's mocking, scoffing and ranting probably doesn't change anything.

Calling God names like psychopath and childish is pointless and foolish.

While these types of rants are not surprising, I still find them saddening.

Job sure has to suffer a lot during that analysis. And in the end God's only defense seems to be "I am God and you're not, so shut the #### up! I can do what I want." Pretty lame IMO.

Just an fyi, the book of Job never happened. The whole book is a parable and completely made up. Not everything in the Bible is real.

The Author of the book of James seemed to think Job's story was real (James 5:11).

As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

Nothing in that quote indicates that the author sees Job as a real person as opposed to a parable that we're supposed to draw lessons from.

 

[Otis]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

What's craziest of all are the people who believe in the bible literally. Eesh.

 

[MaxThreshold]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

What's craziest of all are the people who believe in the bible literally. Eesh.

Not bashing Christians. Got it.

 

[Dr Oadi]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

What's craziest of all are the people who believe in the bible literally. Eesh.

Good thing they will all be gone when the rapture happens and the world can finally have some peace.

 

[Otis]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

What's craziest of all are the people who believe in the bible literally. Eesh.

Not bashing Christians. Got it.

That's not bashing Christians. Many Christians are reasonable people who, even if they are devoutly religious, understand that some of the stories in there are just stories, intended to convey some lesson.

But the people who believe that the old lady really DID live in a shoe with all those children??? Yeah. Nuts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

 

[Otis]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

Don't shoot! I was simply making a point it's easy to poke holes and make fun of the OT, that's primarily why Christians outside of say Catholicism, Greek Orthodox and the like, those folks distance themselves from the OT where as Catholics as well as Jewish folks embrace it.

 

[FUBAR]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

It's probably the comments like calling the Bible an "absurd book", references to Hitler, other attempts to use "quotes" to make a point, "wondering" if the OT was menopause...

 

[Christo]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

It's probably the comments like calling the Bible an "absurd book", references to Hitler, other attempts to use "quotes" to make a point, "wondering" if the OT was menopause...

Don't Christians say "love the sinner, hate the sin." I think this is just that practice in reverse. Otis loves you all. He just thinks you believe some wacky ####.

 

[Otis]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

It's probably the comments like calling the Bible an "absurd book", references to Hitler, other attempts to use "quotes" to make a point, "wondering" if the OT was menopause...

I'm sorry, did you read the stories in this thread/the story linked at the OP???

I'd like a good, literal-OT-loving Christian to come in here and tell me how the definition of absurd, as set forth in Webster's, is inapplicable.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The OT is one giant black eye for Christianity which is why so many of the Evangelicals and the New Christian movement try to ignore a lot of it or attempt at just letting folks know it's the New Testament that they follow. Some of the stuff written in the OT is pretty frightening.

All that said, it does not give atheists or anyone a license to blast Christians. Of course folks do but I think it only weakens your stance.

Link to the post where one person in here blasts Christians. You won't likely find it. What you will find is people questioning stories in an absurd book from a brzillion years ago -- which book has been adopted as a foundational book in many religions -- and a couple of defensive Christians claiming we're on a witch hunt for them. We're really not.

It's probably the comments like calling the Bible an "absurd book", references to Hitler, other attempts to use "quotes" to make a point, "wondering" if the OT was menopause...

I'm sorry, did you read the stories in this thread/the story linked at the OP???

I'd like a good, literal-OT-loving Christian to come in here and tell me how the definition of absurd, as set forth in Webster's, is inapplicable.

Why? You wouldn't believe it anyways. You're definition of absurd is basically anything religious.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The old Testament has better stories than the New Testament. I think that was why I liked Bible Study when I was in primary school.

 

[joffer]

It's not black and white, absurd or not. Sure, from my point of view, belief in any god is to a certain extent, absurd, but I understand it. Belief that Noah's flood actually happened is a whole different level.

 

[eurotrashman]

My personal top 3 most confusing Bible passages are:

1 - God wants to kill Moses AFTER the burning bush, haggling about who would do the talking and him packing up the family to go, but he's saved by his wife performing an impromptu circumcision on their son.

2 - Boys call Elisha a "baldhead" and he curses them and then two bears come and maul 42 of the boys.

3 - The Nephilim were on the earth before the flood (and after) and they were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

I'm not going to lie, this stuff is confounding as heck. I don't get the symbolism/meaning of any of them for sure. Yes, I've read every theory and explanation out there on each of them, but I couldn't tell you exactly which ones (if any) are the truth. I've got my own opinions, but I'd hardly pass any of them off as certainty.

While I can believe in God and Jesus with all of my being, that doesn't mean I'm not equally confused about some of the odd stories in there. Even the Old Testament story of Ananias and Sapphira is a bit of a head scratcher.

What's craziest of all are the people who believe in the bible literally. Eesh.

Not bashing Christians. Got it.

Grow a spine or get of the innerwebs.

 

[Otis]

It's not black and white, absurd or not. Sure, from my point of view, belief in any god is to a certain extent, absurd, but I understand it. Belief that Noah's flood actually happened is a whole different level.

This. And if you can't understand this, your belief system is way out of whack.

 

[timschochet]

And the Lord said

"I burn down your cities--how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You must all be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why i love mankind."

 

[Jayrod]

It's not black and white, absurd or not. Sure, from my point of view, belief in any god is to a certain extent, absurd, but I understand it. Belief that Noah's flood actually happened is a whole different level.

Pretty much every ancient civilization in the world has a flood story.I personally believe something major went down and if I had to wager, my money would be on the Biblical account being most accurate. But I'm not going to say I know for sure. Whether 100% factual or mostly symbolic, there is a lot of truth in the Biblical account of Noah regarding the relationship between God and man.

 

[Jayrod]

And the Lord said

"I burn down your cities--how blind you must be

I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we

You must all be crazy to put your faith in me

That's why i love mankind."

I don't know if I've just never caught on to it before or what, but I'm surprised by your extreme stance on this topic. There is a surprising level of vitrol in this thread from you, and I feel like there is something deeper going on here...like you are a bit out of character on this topic.

 

[Otis]

It's not black and white, absurd or not. Sure, from my point of view, belief in any god is to a certain extent, absurd, but I understand it. Belief that Noah's flood actually happened is a whole different level.

Pretty much every ancient civilization in the world has a flood story.I personally believe something major went down and if I had to wager, my money would be on the Biblical account being most accurate. But I'm not going to say I know for sure. Whether 100% factual or mostly symbolic, there is a lot of truth in the Biblical account of Noah regarding the relationship between God and man.

Do you believe a man built a boat and took two of each animal on it, thereby saving them from the flood?