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Which would make it not illegal.
That's apparently what Carroll was mad about in the Seattle game. He'd asked about it pre-game and the refs told him "practice" kicks were not allowed. He called TO early enough that he felt the "practice" kick that Bryant took was illegal. Apparently it was, but if there's no penalty then that's a pretty useless designation.
If Manning went out there it would have been difficult for Tucker to angle the kick around Manning's head.
They would have to give the refs the same discretion as they do for whether the defense caused a false start. If they call the TO with 1 second left right before the snap of the ball it's not a penalty. 3 seconds later, yeah.Of course, they'd just be trained to snap the ball at the sound of a whistle during icing situations.
Maybe the refs should hold the ball for the kickers à la Lucy Van Pelt. In all seriousness what is described above is not what happened on Saturday. No one was lined up for a kick and then someone called timeout; there was a timeout called and then BAL came out to practice the kick.They would have to give the refs the same discretion as they do for whether the defense caused a false start. If they call the TO with 1 second left right before the snap of the ball it's not a penalty. 3 seconds later, yeah.Of course, they'd just be trained to snap the ball at the sound of a whistle during icing situations.
Lol. How bout "body slamming" your Mike Huckabee of a coach for going ultra conservative towards the end of regulation instead of whining about a kicker taking advantage of a situation. Had that been Prater doing it, you'd be in a thread talking about how "heady" it was.'BusterTBronco said:
I think they'll just put the onus on the referee to jump in there. The play in the Atl-Den game should be made illegal. Coming onto the field between quarters or during a TV timeout to kick should be a penalty. But there was a timeout in one of the games on Sunday during a punt and the ref ran in there looking like he was going to block the punt so it didn't go off. That will have to be the solution and if the timeout is so close to kicking, then the practice kick should be allowed.
the penalty is that the kicker has to live with himself knowing what an awful thing he did.
Ask Cundiff if he could live with himself had he had the chance to take a practice kick last year in the AFC Championship game
My guess is Tucker will not lose any sleep over getting away with this in a big game... nor will he have the chance to do it again in a game!!
As well as a sternly written letter from the UN.
That didn't work so well when they tried it on the pass to Jacoby Jones, so maybe they no longer thought it was a good tactic
Who is confusing the two?
might be refering tohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/14/pete-carroll-offers-novel-excuse-for-kicker-icing-backfire/
He is... or maybe he is just a sore loser. But, with all the noise and activity in an NFL stadium, a coach who calls a time-out to ice the kicker and then complains that the ball is snapped, etc. is just looking for an excuse.
Sounds like you're the confused one. He clearly understood the situation, which was the point I was making. I agree with you though that icing the kicker is stupid.
I think icing the kicker is a calculated risk. I don't like it - but I don't think it is "stupid".I'm not confused.... Apparently, after discussing the very different situation in the Baltimore game, the topic of a kicker being allowed to kick if a time-out were called just prior to a legitimate attempt was raised. Carroll believed the kicker would not be allowed an attempt. But, given the logistics of a last second time-out, not sure what he was depending on here.... And that is what he was alleged to be debating with the officials - so, it seems, that he was confused.
It was not a practice kick. They tried to ice the kicker and failed. It was a play.The Denver practice kick came between the overtimes. it was not a play but a practice kick.
Unfortunately, this common-sense logic is totally lost on coaches like Carrol...and it cost his team their season.
Still.... no confusion being shown here.
Weren't you just ripping on Carroll for blaming the loss on this? Yet you think it cost them the season? There's no reason to believe that the whistles and knowledge the TO had been called didn't affect Bryant on the first kick. I don't believe that it's a given that had the To not been called that Bryant wouldn't have made the kick. Too many variables to be cut and dried.
I think I found the confusion. Carroll's actions did cost them the season because they lost and their season is over. This we know. That he "might" have hit the first kick under different circumstances is irrelevant.
