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I don't think people we're worried that he was still hurt... people are worried because he seems fragile. However; I have yet to draft him in any league and I am in alot of them. Hes been going in late 1st which seems about right.
I have to disagree that there weren't/aren't concerns. When he showed up at mini-camp and was throwing balls with his left hand due to his shoulder I think there were many legit questions as to how his health was.
True.. I guess some where worried but the shoulder.. Either... this is good news.
Good to hear that it's precautionary...but as a Maroney owner, it worries me that we're ~6 weeks from opening weekend, and the Pats are still concerned about "aggravating the injury". Can we really expect this guy to hold up over 16 weeks?
Maroney won't win any games playing in August.
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Thats not good.Its good if all you want is for him to play week one.Its not good when you consider there are 16 games and the team obviously wants him around come playoff time.Nope, thats not good at all. How legit/solid are these insiders?
Rock solid, like media people in the locker room almost every day solid. Maybe the team is being overly cautious or maybe they are not letting on that it is a bigger concern than they let on. That I can't say.I disagree that this is automatically bad news. It sounds like they just want to reduce any chances for problems. They need Maroney to be around all season. Why waste meaningless contact at this point? Clearly the best news would be that Maroney was 100% and participating in everything without ill effects, but that's still better than him being unable to go at all (which is where he was a month or two ago). I think part of the issue for fantasy owners is what is a realistic expectation. Some people seem to think that Maroney would get 400 touches (say 350 carries and 50 receptions).I don't think that's realistic. I'd guess 250-275 carries and 25-35 receptions. I WOULD NOT just add up what he and Dillon produced last year and dump it all into Maroney's numbers.I would guess that they will try to keep Maroney to 15-18 carries a game and sometimes 20 if a particular game requires it. IMO, they blew their chance of a title by having no running game in the playoffs last year, so they will make more of an effort to have Maroney good to go in the post season.
Thus there is a problem. Smoke>>>Fire. Im not saying he is injured still, Im saying there is a very significant chance (according to the team itself) that the shoulder cannot handle the workload associated with playing RB full time. How many other players miss a lot of reps as a second year player when not injured? Thats not a waste. That is very important practice time. Thus I conclude that this cannot be good news. It is better then "not being able to go". But that doesnt mean its not bad news.
If he isnt playing/practicing in the camps and preseason because the team is taking it easy on his shoulder/body, his ADP has to slide.
The Pats need this guy around in January, so I think he'll get spelled often in the regular season - I'd think it would also mean less short/tough yardage opportunities for Maroney. My question is, who's going to do the spelling?
I have hypothesized that at times the Pats will go back to calling more short yardage ball control passing plays. They certainly have the horse to do it. RUn the receivers long and throw quick strikes in the flat to the Welkers, Watsons, and Faulks of the world.They could also offload a few carries to the other backs to account for some of the carries Dillon got. Again, the goal here is not to win the battle but win the war. I would think that the Pats will have a hard time not making the playoffs, so they need to worry about having fresh bodies for a SB run. They may assess the implications of securing home field throughout the playoffs and that may mean trying to squeeze out an extra win or two, but I would guess the team will npot win the title again if Maroney is not able to play in the post season.The Pats need this guy around in January, so I think he'll get spelled often in the regular season - I'd think it would also mean less short/tough yardage opportunities for Maroney. My question is, who's going to do the spelling?
I doubt he'll free fall. I suspect he'll play enough in drills and minimal contact activities or have the red flap jacket on in camp. Basically video for the media to show to prove he's in camp and active. They may even stage some contact drills or tackles to make it look like he's 100%. But I doubt we'll see much of it and he'll do mostly running and pass catching drills but nothing laborious.
Exactly. Their offensive line is o.k., but if they have to face a Baltimore or San Diego in the playoffs without their feature back it will be really tough on them. They have to make sure Maroney is viable in January and that means less work during the regular season. Maybe he can do more with less, but it's very hard for me to get excited about him as my first round pick.
I like him as a 2nd rounder right now and I doubt that changes much. Let's face it, he could be equal to Dillon circa 2004. This offense is going to score a lot this season, I think 12 touchdowns is very realistic. If he can gain 1300 yards and equal his catches from last season, you are looking at 1500 combines and 12-14 touchdowns. I think that's a pretty reasonable projection for Maroney. Off course he has the injury issues that will drive his value down from where a 1500+12 guy would normally be targetted.Exactly. Their offensive line is o.k., but if they have to face a Baltimore or San Diego in the playoffs without their feature back it will be really tough on them. They have to make sure Maroney is viable in January and that means less work during the regular season. Maybe he can do more with less, but it's very hard for me to get excited about him as my first round pick.
I like him as a 2nd rounder too. Problem is his ADP is right around 10 overall. Too rich for my blood.As an aside anyone else notice that there seem to be more rb projections with 10 or more tds this year than usual? Similarly with guys projected to get 15 or more? I look at last year as an aberration, are people thinking it's the norm now?
Does that assume that his ADP is based on people drafting him without awareness of the offseason shoulder surgery? I would contend that any rational person drafting him who knows that would assume that they would take it slow. This should be no surprise to anyone that follows offseason news. I still don't see him falling farther than early-mid 2nd even if he doesnt get one touch in preseason.
His stats are now projected lower then a month or two ago. Even two weeks ago. Thats all it means.
This is good news if you're looking for a sleeper RB who could become a HUGE factor: Sammy Morris.shoulder injuries to a RB are what leg injuries are to horses: they're never going to be quite the same.Morris and Betts are both `thisclose` to being top 12 RBs...
I don't see Morris ever being a regular every game workhorse back. He might see a decent workload for a game or two, but beyond that the team would either change their game plan or bring in help. They are not devoid of other RB options with Faulk, Evans, Hairston around and Pass and Dillon a phone call away.This is good news if you're looking for a sleeper RB who could become a HUGE factor: Sammy Morris.shoulder injuries to a RB are what leg injuries are to horses: they're never going to be quite the same.Morris and Betts are both `thisclose` to being top 12 RBs...
I don't know about this. Whenever I've had surgery (knee, achilles), I did extensive physical therapy for months afterward. The result was that the surgically repaired areas were stronger than they were before because the PT concentrated improving these repaired areas. He's probably stronger than you think he is.twitch said:
Is it just me or does anyone else really like the dancing pickle?
