Goodell's Tenure as Commissioner (1 Viewer)

[Tango]

Bob Kraft went on CBS and defended Goodell publicly.

SPORTS MEDIA: Points to this as proof that Goodell is safe b/c Bob Kraft carries so much weight within NFL ownership

NON-SPORTS MEDIA: Does not have such reverence for Kraft and they think Kraft sounds like an ignorant baffoon to defend the indefensible actions of Goodell.

Goodell is in trouble here. The NFL doesnt seem to realize Peter King is not the one covering them this time. The real media will not bend over the way that the sports media does.

They're the same damn companies.

Yes, to a certain extent you are 100% correct. CBS, a company whose news division I cited in a hypothetical a few posts up, has a parent who is in bed with the NFL as much (or more) than Peter King and SI/TW; to the tune of around a billion dollars annually.That said, there is plenty of room in the media for blatantly unfavorable coverage of Goodell. And this may be the instance where that swath of media, commentators/political types and general NFL naysayers in the media get enough of a rise that their demand for Goodell's blood is met.

I find Andrew Brandt's insistence on Ross Tucker's Sirius show this morning that Goodell is Teflon absolutely ridiculous.

The logic of NFL insiders such as Brandt who say Goodell makes the owners too much money to get fired, etc. is officially in the back seat at this point. This is now in the mob-justice sphere (for right or wrong) which has its own business implications, and any number of outcomes could occur.

 

[Slapdash]

Null vote. Goodell and the NFL continue to get mired in scandals, lose credibility, but he stays on board as captain of the sinking ship for five to ten years too many. Like Stern in the NBA.

Can't wait for the NFL's Adam Silver.

 

[dparker713]

Joe Paterno went down for what Sandusky did. Goodell is no different. He's going down and deservedly so. If they sit on this and let it become "Day 60 of Elevator Gate" on the evening news, they're in big trouble.

A 30 year cover-up of child abuse and Goodell's actions are just a tad bit different.

 

[cstu]

Null vote. Goodell and the NFL continue to get mired in scandals, lose credibility, but he stays on board as captain of the sinking ship for five to ten years too many. Like Stern in the NBA.

Goodell was hired to make the league money and that's exactly what he's done since getting the job in 2006.

 

[sho nuff]

The ship is sinking so fast...that the Forbes 31st valued franchise just sold for $1.4 billion.

 

[General Tso]

The NFL is making record profits in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

 

[MattFancy]

The NFL is making record profits in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

I could be the commisioner of the NFL and turn a profit.

Scandals under Goodell:

Spygate

Bountygate

Concussions

Capgate

Domestic Violence

He's not very good at keeping the league out of trouble

 

[fatness]

Dan Patrick suggested on Wednesday that the league office’s handling of the case possibly should result in a suspension of the man in charge of the league office.

“Sean Payton was suspended for Bountygate, right?” Patrick said in the opening segment of his TV/radio show, which is broadcast by among other outlets NBCSN. “Lost a whole year. . . . He runs the Saints. Now, he was not involved directly in Bountygate. But it was still his team, so he was punished.

“The Commissioner, he is employed by the owners. Why can’t he be suspended by the owners? Why can’t he be punished? Tell me the difference. You’re running a team, you’re running the league. It still happened under your watch here. What’s more egregious here? What happened with Bountygate, or what happened with Ray Rice? We know the answer. So you’re going to hold coaches and players to a different standard than we should be holding the Commissioner to? The Commissioner should be held to a higher standard.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/dp-should-goodell-be-suspended/

 

[sho nuff]

The NFL is making record profits in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

I could be the commisioner of the NFL and turn a profit.

Scandals under Goodell:

Spygate

Bountygate

Concussions

Capgate

Domestic Violence

He's not very good at keeping the league out of trouble

Wait...the commisioner was supposed to preemptively prevent spygate and bountygate?

Concussion stuff as far as downplaying the significance...I will give you that (if you admit it was going on before him as well).

Capgate...again...he was supposed to preemptively prevent that too?

Domestic Violence...seems he reacted to help create a stronger policy.

I doubt anyone here could come close to running things of the NFL.

Could many who are actually qualified do it? Probably...but doubt many would have been able to stop any of what actually happened.

 

[mphtrilogy]

he burned the tapes of SPYGATE, why did he do that?

 

[dparker713]

Dan Patrick suggested on Wednesday that the league office’s handling of the case possibly should result in a suspension of the man in charge of the league office.

“Sean Payton was suspended for Bountygate, right?” Patrick said in the opening segment of his TV/radio show, which is broadcast by among other outlets NBCSN. “Lost a whole year. . . . He runs the Saints. Now, he was not involved directly in Bountygate. But it was still his team, so he was punished.

“The Commissioner, he is employed by the owners. Why can’t he be suspended by the owners? Why can’t he be punished? Tell me the difference. You’re running a team, you’re running the league. It still happened under your watch here. What’s more egregious here? What happened with Bountygate, or what happened with Ray Rice? We know the answer. So you’re going to hold coaches and players to a different standard than we should be holding the Commissioner to? The Commissioner should be held to a higher standard.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/dp-should-goodell-be-suspended/

For the NFL, Bountygate is more egregious. That's an institutional failure. Ray Rice was acting as an individual. And the suspension is no more or less haphazard than the other suspensions Goodell's handed down.

 

[cstu]

he burned the tapes of SPYGATE, why did he do that?

To protect the NFL, you know, his job.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Angry wimmins.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24704406/now-calls-for-roger-goodell-to-resign


National Organization for Women calls for Roger Goodell to resign By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer
September 10, 2014 4:24 pm ET

Roger Goodell reportedly won't resign. (USATSI)Apparently all ... the ... explanations made by Roger Goodell in regards to why the NFL never saw the Ray Rice elevator surveillance tape have not won him many new fans.

As was to be expected, Goodell seems to have the support of all 32 owners -- and Giants owner John Mara said Wednesday that Goodell won't be leaving his post -- but that hasn't stopped plenty of media from calling for Goodell to resign.

Now, the National Organization for Women has done the same.

"The only workable solution is for Roger Goodell to resign, and for his successor to appoint an independent investigator with full authority to gather factual data about domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault and stalking within the NFL community, and to recommend real and lasting reforms," the organization wrote on its website.

NOW points to the league's high percentage of arrests for domestic violence and sex offenses; the fact 49ers defensive tackle Ray McDonald played in Week 1 despite his recent arrest on a felony domestic violence charge; and the fact that Panthers linebacker Greg Hardy, convicted of hitting his former girlfriend, has not been punished.

NOW also mentioned that the NFL has maintained "radio silence" on the sexual assault accusations against Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

"The NFL has lost its way," NOW wrote. "It doesn't have a Ray Rice problem; it has a violence against women problem ... The NFL sets the example for college, high school, middle school and even elementary school football programs. And the example it is setting right now is simply unacceptable. New leadership must come in with a specific charge to transform the culture of violence against women that pervades the NFL. That's the only way to restore honor and integrity to the country's most lucrative and popular pastime."

But will Goodell take NOW's advice and resign?

Said a source to the Washington Post: "That's not a consideration."

 

[Sinn Fein]

Blood in the water, and the usual vermin are out seeking their 15 minutes in the spotlight.

 

[sho nuff]

You would think Goodell was the one on the tape knocking her the f out.

Maybe Martha Burk will speak up...Goodell can take off and do a presser from the gates of Augusta before teeing off with Hootie Johnson.

 

[Tango]

Wetzel covers things fairly well here:

Even best-case explanation for Roger Goodell makes him and NFL look woefully incompetenthttp://sports.yahoo.com/news/even-best-case-explanation-for-roger-goodell-makes-him-and-nfl-look-woefully-incompetent-235313261.html

 

[General Tso]

Goodell won't survive the AP report that came out tonight. No way. He gone.

 

[SacramentoBob]

NFL had the tape since April. I guess we're supposed to believe that he never saw it though right?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

So what if he saw the tape, it doesn't really change anything.

This is going to blow over and Goodell is going to be fine. He's gotten away with much, much worse.

 

[SacramentoBob]

he burned the tapes of SPYGATE, why did he do that?

It's pretty obvious he can't be trusted with evidence. It's VERY likely that they had proof the Patriots outright cheated in their Super Bowl and he couldn't allow that to get to the public.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So what if he saw the tape, it doesn't really change anything.

Uhh, it means he lied about not seeing it for starters. It means he thought it was okay to uppercut your wife into unconsciousness as long as no one else saw the tape. It means the 12 month suspension after the "new evidence" was discovered was only to cover his ###.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

So what if he saw the tape, it doesn't really change anything.

Uhh, it means he lied about not seeing it for starters. It means he thought it was okay to uppercut your wife into unconsciousness as long as no one else saw the tape. It means the 12 month suspension after the "new evidence" was discovered was only to cover his ###.

He'd lied and done hypocritical things in the past.

 

[Tango]

So what if he saw the tape, it doesn't really change anything.

This is going to blow over and Goodell is going to be fine. He's gotten away with much, much worse.

Bob Ley ‏@BobLeyESPN 25m
Knowing nothing but the momentum of prior dramas, this Goodell story seems to be slow walking towards an inevitable conclusion.

 

[Tango]

So what if he saw the tape, it doesn't really change anything.

Uhh, it means he lied about not seeing it for starters. It means he thought it was okay to uppercut your wife into unconsciousness as long as no one else saw the tape. It means the 12 month suspension after the "new evidence" was discovered was only to cover his ###.

He'd lied and done hypocritical things in the past.

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

Meanwhile, RG has people like the President, Congress, NOW, the Vice President, and my mom all asking questions and demanding answers at a furious pace. He has mass media (not Peter King) on his butt.

More importantly, he has sponsors like Marriot teetering..and most importantly,through the mob-mentality-media-frenzy this has caused like no other, he probably polls at 80% negatives from females in the United States; which is the #1 targeted revenue growth demographic for the business he runs.

He will be lucky to surivive at this point

 

[Raider Nation]

@weddlesbeard

As a husband, father and player I'm embarrassed to be associated with the NFL right now!

 

[Bojang0301]

Funny what 24 hours does... Goodell is in a bad way right now. No commissioner has ever been caught with their pants down so badly. I remember the Goodell era starting and he seemed young and idealistic and he quickly destroyed that image in my mind to one of a brash, arrogant, facist who has played the NFLPA like a fiddle for the whole of his tenure. Of course thats what the owners wanted but it has blown up in their face to this point. The real downfall of the NFL is they keep creating a major disparity between the players profits and the owners. Yes, they play far less games than any other sport, they also destroy themselves more physically and mentally than any other sport. The day will come when its really time to pay the piper and I think it will be in the form of a players strike and the downfall of the system as we know it (i.e. salary cap, franchise/transition tags, guarenteed contracts) and it will hurt the sport a great deal.

 

[Tango]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

 

[sho nuff]

@weddlesbeard

As a husband, father and player I'm embarrassed to be associated with the NFL right now!

So...wife beating and drug use...high divorce rate...dog killing...that is all fine.

But if someone lies about an internal investigation, that is embarrassing.

 

[MCguidance]

This guy is walking the green mile.

 

[dparker713]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Null vote. Goodell and the NFL continue to get mired in scandals, lose credibility, but he stays on board as captain of the sinking ship for five to ten years too many. Like Stern in the NBA.

Wow. To real sports fans, the depths David Stern sunk to included the integrity of the games as honest games.

That's a pretty low bar.

Goodell will end up equal or worse. And he'll keep his job the whole way down.

As an avid NBA fan, until the games are blatantly fixed or I hear "football reasons" out of Goodell's mouth, this will not prove to be true. In terms of credibility if the "big 4" sports, basketball is well at the bottom of the barrel. It will take years to recover from Stern's reign.

 

[fatness]

League partner and hotel chain Marriott said it was "closely following the situation."

"We trust that the NFL will address the matter appropriately," a statement on Marriott's Twitter account said.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11504842/roger-goodell-nfl-taken-task-players-react

 

[Tango]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

That's an interesting point as I was thinking about the downside of this coming Sunday.

The fact that this came out on Monday morning means that every Sunday morning news show (Meet the Press, This Week, Fox News Sunday, CBS' show) has yet to take a whack at this.

And each one will all dedicate a full segment, plus a round-table to it. And, especially after Labor Day, those shows set the tone for the news cycle for the week. I agree Sunday afternoon will help, but the mainstream media has a hold of this (most of whom dont go near a TV to watch football on Sundays) and their power is incredibly strong when they sink their teeth into something.

 

[houston]

Bud selig for commish!

 

[dparker713]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

That's an interesting point as I was thinking about the downside of this coming Sunday.

The fact that this came out on Monday morning means that every Sunday morning news show (Meet the Press, This Week, Fox News Sunday, CBS' show) has yet to take a whack at this.

And each one will all dedicate a full segment, plus a round-table to it. And, especially after Labor Day, those shows set the tone for the news cycle for the week. I agree Sunday afternoon will help, but the mainstream media has a hold of this (most of whom dont go near a TV to watch football on Sundays) and their power is incredibly strong when they sink their teeth into something.

I'm guessing the combined viewership for shows would be less than a Jags v Titans MNF matchup. Those shows have a lot more weight iwith DC than they do with the NFL's audience.

 

[Tango]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

That's an interesting point as I was thinking about the downside of this coming Sunday.

The fact that this came out on Monday morning means that every Sunday morning news show (Meet the Press, This Week, Fox News Sunday, CBS' show) has yet to take a whack at this.

And each one will all dedicate a full segment, plus a round-table to it. And, especially after Labor Day, those shows set the tone for the news cycle for the week. I agree Sunday afternoon will help, but the mainstream media has a hold of this (most of whom dont go near a TV to watch football on Sundays) and their power is incredibly strong when they sink their teeth into something.

I'm guessing the combined viewership for shows would be less than a Jags v Titans MNF matchup. Those shows have a lot more weight iwith DC than they do with the NFL's audience.

Very true. The point Im trying to make is that Goodell's fate is tied directly to two things (1) the existence of a smoking gun that the NFL had the video and/or (2) how far the media carries this, which causes an uproar in the public/Congress/President, and therefore does irreparable damage to the brand/womens-interest-in-the-NFL/etc.

The fact that these shows set the news cycle contributes to #2 above greatly and we shouldnt undestimate the power of that vehicle to take down a commissioner.

 

[dparker713]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

That's an interesting point as I was thinking about the downside of this coming Sunday.

The fact that this came out on Monday morning means that every Sunday morning news show (Meet the Press, This Week, Fox News Sunday, CBS' show) has yet to take a whack at this.

And each one will all dedicate a full segment, plus a round-table to it. And, especially after Labor Day, those shows set the tone for the news cycle for the week. I agree Sunday afternoon will help, but the mainstream media has a hold of this (most of whom dont go near a TV to watch football on Sundays) and their power is incredibly strong when they sink their teeth into something.

I'm guessing the combined viewership for shows would be less than a Jags v Titans MNF matchup. Those shows have a lot more weight iwith DC than they do with the NFL's audience.

Very true. The point Im trying to make is that Goodell's fate is tied directly to two things (1) the existence of a smoking gun that the NFL had the video and/or (2) how far the media carries this, which causes an uproar in the public/Congress/President, and therefore does irreparable damage to the brand/womens-interest-in-the-NFL/etc.

The fact that these shows set the news cycle contributes to #2 above greatly and we shouldnt undestimate the power of that vehicle to take down a commissioner.

Those shows only set the political news cycle. And the media isn't in charge of Goodell's fate - its the audience and the advertisers. But the NFL isn't Imus. No entertainment option is even close to the NFL at this point. The advertisers can't substitute the NFL for anything else.

 

[Tango]

He has Robert Kraft and John Mara on his side, but unfortunately they are hurting RG more than helping. They look like out-of-touch lunatics.

More on this point:

(1) Kraft took a pretty big hit yesterday in his defense of Goodell. Though Mara's timing turned out to be exponentially worse given his statements, Kraft seemed the most out of touch,

(2) The AP and Roger Goodell made John Mara look like a horse's a*s. The timing of Mara's letter and its contents just before the AP story was a perfect-storm-of-doom for Goodell

(3) When the economic costs of Goodell overcome his economic benefits, then he is gone. Given that he most certainly is replaceable, that time might be arriving very quickly. What's interesting is that if the AP story is true (and TMZ's latest story casts doubt on it), then they will not be able to hire the "next-man-up" from within, they will have to clean house and take not only Goodell, but many layers deeper on Park Avenue

Goodell really just needs to survive until Sunday. Then, when the ratings are there and the stadiums are full, he'll be fine. Tomorrow night should help some.

That's an interesting point as I was thinking about the downside of this coming Sunday.

The fact that this came out on Monday morning means that every Sunday morning news show (Meet the Press, This Week, Fox News Sunday, CBS' show) has yet to take a whack at this.

And each one will all dedicate a full segment, plus a round-table to it. And, especially after Labor Day, those shows set the tone for the news cycle for the week. I agree Sunday afternoon will help, but the mainstream media has a hold of this (most of whom dont go near a TV to watch football on Sundays) and their power is incredibly strong when they sink their teeth into something.

I'm guessing the combined viewership for shows would be less than a Jags v Titans MNF matchup. Those shows have a lot more weight iwith DC than they do with the NFL's audience.

Very true. The point Im trying to make is that Goodell's fate is tied directly to two things (1) the existence of a smoking gun that the NFL had the video and/or (2) how far the media carries this, which causes an uproar in the public/Congress/President, and therefore does irreparable damage to the brand/womens-interest-in-the-NFL/etc.

The fact that these shows set the news cycle contributes to #2 above greatly and we shouldnt undestimate the power of that vehicle to take down a commissioner.

Those shows only set the political news cycle. And the media isn't in charge of Goodell's fate - its the audience and the advertisers. But the NFL isn't Imus. No entertainment option is even close to the NFL at this point. The advertisers can't substitute the NFL for anything else.

Interesting.

I think it's a connected cocktail of influences that ultimately affects the outcome here. The media has a big role to play and is absolutely connected to NOW's decision today...which, I should add, is not a big deal on its own. However, if other womens groups follow....say the Breast Cancer people feel the need to detach from the October dog and pony show of pink....(and you and I would be very naive to think that those conversations are not happening as we write this), then that would hit like a ton of bricks.

Ultimately, we agree that this is about dollars and cents; where we may disagree is that I think that when the mainstream media digs in like they are here and it is a sustained push; it is not a far trip to where they can drive substantive influence over sponsors, politicians (including the President) and key, massive demographics segments such as females...and that's real dollar and cents.

 

[Tango]

NFL announces independent investigation....

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mara and Rooney are heading up an "independent investigation"?

Surprisingly, this alert was not from The Onion.

 

[Tango]

NFL announces independent investigation....

Jason Whitlock ‏@WhitlockJason 1m
Let Harvey Levin investigate Goodell and the NFL rather than some covert former FBI director. More faith in Harvey/TMZ than Mueller.

 

[fatness]

So who is the handcuff here? Is it worth stashing Goodell or should I just drop him?

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=428133&st=100

Pick up Condoleeza Rice now.

 

[fatness]

Mara and Rooney are heading up an "independent investigation"?

Yeah, they're really independent of the NFL.

What a desperate idea.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mara and Rooney are heading up an "independent investigation"?

Yeah, they're really independent of the NFL.

What a desperate idea.

Well, they're investigating their employee, right? $44.2M* employee, but he works at the pleasure of the owners, so it seems appropriate.

*to be clear, in their non-profit organization filing the NFL made it clear that only $35.1M of that was salary and bonus. $5M deferred and $4.1M went to his pension.

 

[fatness]

They're certainly entitled to investigate their own employee. The question is whether their investigation will be credible in the eyes of the public. Would you trust an NFL investigation right now?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Everytime NOW makes a PR release, I always think "they're still around?"

 

[Slapdash]

So who is the handcuff here? Is it worth stashing Goodell or should I just drop him?

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=428133&st=100

Pick up Condoleeza Rice now.

Dawn Aponte

 

[Bruce Hammond]

216 votes in. What was nearly 60% after 88 votes and 56% after 120 votes has steadily declined over the last couple days.

The Rice incident will blow over and Goodell will continue as Commissioner indefinitely. Business as usual. (106 votes [52.48%])

If I started this poll a day later it might be well under 50% now, as early voters who thought he was teflon might have been more inclined to vote no due to all the negative coverage.

I'm honestly still on the fence as to how I feel about it. I've leaned each way at different times over the last few days.

(by the way, 14 null votes are included in the 216 above but not in the percentages, so the 106 is 52.48% of 202 actual votes)

 

[dparker713]

216 total votes in. What was nearly 60% after 88 votes and 56% after 120 votes has steadily declined over the last couple days.

The Rice incident will blow over and Goodell will continue as Commissioner indefinitely. Business as usual. (106 votes [52.48%])

If I started this poll a day later it might be well under 50% now.

I'm honestly still on the fence as to how I feel about it. I've leaned each way at different times over the last few days.

There are really only two viable options. Either nothing happens to him or he's gone in a few weeks. Nothing else makes any sense.

 

[T with T]

He should be gone... Corrupt Person and commish. NFL as a whole is a corrupt, vile organization....