Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Yup, and the new catchphrase: "Given the circumstances, we're doing all we can do." I swear they study these right out of the NFL guidbook for damage control. It's verbatim every time. Thumbs up their asses.
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Goodell's Tenure as Commissioner (1 Viewer)
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Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
For those who missed it: https://vine.co/v/OWPa5O5U5rwThe high pitched, whiny voice made it that much better.
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CR69
Footballguy
:golfclap:For those who missed it: https://vine.co/v/OWPa5O5U5rw
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Is that Benjy from Howard? It really sounds like himFor those who missed it: https://vine.co/v/OWPa5O5U5rw
edit: It is him
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
I have been examining this video to figure out what the hot brunette is doing? Is she grabbing the raving lunatic?For those who missed it: https://vine.co/v/OWPa5O5U5rw
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Goodell was in true lawyer mode, there never really answering anything. 
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
That Payton question had him rattled.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
Do you really need a panel of women to tell you that you shouldn't beat women?
ffball-novice
Footballguy
Goodell should immediately be given the opportunity to practice his law career.Goodell was in true lawyer mode, there never really answering anything.
You know those times when you felt a coach should be fired at half-time of game 13, not the end of the season. That's the feeling of listening to him today.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
Rachel Nichols had great questions!
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
What I felt was that Roger Goodell is Michael ScottGoodell should immediately be given the opportunity to practice his law career.Goodell was in true lawyer mode, there never really answering anything.
You know those times when you felt a coach should be fired at half-time of game 13, not the end of the season. That's the feeling of listening to him today.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
bingoWhat I felt was that Roger Goodell is Michael ScottGoodell should immediately be given the opportunity to practice his law career.Goodell was in true lawyer mode, there never really answering anything.
You know those times when you felt a coach should be fired at half-time of game 13, not the end of the season. That's the feeling of listening to him today.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jason Whitlock talking always makes me turn the channel.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
I was listening on the radio and when I heard this I was hoping they were taking Goodell to the elevator and it was him screaming.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And he will be rightfully laughed at.
Did Goodell do anything illegal or against any rules (like the player that would be in his office would have done)?
Nope?
Why is it then that everyone expects the NFL Commish to fix society's problems?
njherdfan
Footballguy
Just out of curiosity, why does everyone assume he's a lawyer? He's not. He got a job with the NFL right after college and never left.Goodell should immediately be given the opportunity to practice his law career.Goodell was in true lawyer mode, there never really answering anything.
You know those times when you felt a coach should be fired at half-time of game 13, not the end of the season. That's the feeling of listening to him today.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Posted this in the FFA thread ... might as well drop it here:
Didn't hear the whole conference, only about 30 minutes of it. Sounds like Goodell will not only skate, but have none of this really stick to him.
Tell you what ... if he or any sitting commissioner in a major sport ever resign, it's going to have to be an all-of-the-sudden thing. The more time they withstand the media pressure, the more time they've got to craft a reasonable CYA response.
What I got out of the parts I heard: the NFL never had a policy for this stuff, therefore it was OK for me to make up things on the fly. Now I realize that's no longer accepted publicly, so we will craft new covering policy on this stuff going forward.
In a vacuum, that's reasonable and fair.
Didn't hear the whole conference, only about 30 minutes of it. Sounds like Goodell will not only skate, but have none of this really stick to him.
Tell you what ... if he or any sitting commissioner in a major sport ever resign, it's going to have to be an all-of-the-sudden thing. The more time they withstand the media pressure, the more time they've got to craft a reasonable CYA response.
What I got out of the parts I heard: the NFL never had a policy for this stuff, therefore it was OK for me to make up things on the fly. Now I realize that's no longer accepted publicly, so we will craft new covering policy on this stuff going forward.
In a vacuum, that's reasonable and fair.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
So much hatred for Goodell for no reason. He made the league you love better, but because players do illegal things they hate him?
Blame the players you love for negotiating a CBA that put them in this position. This hatred for Goodell is tiresome.
Blame the players you love for negotiating a CBA that put them in this position. This hatred for Goodell is tiresome.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
What was he supposed to get in trouble for? What did he do wrong? What is his fault? Peole getting in trouble is his fault? Did he make Dwyer head butt his wife? How bout ADP, did he put the stick in his hand? Was he the one who filmed Ray Rice punching his wife? A lot of angry bitter people who have no understanding what it takes to be a commish judging in here.
NFL needed a decisive leader and Roger Goodell punts instead:
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24716523/nfl-needed-a-decisive-leader-and-roger-goodell-punts-instead
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24716523/nfl-needed-a-decisive-leader-and-roger-goodell-punts-instead
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Only reason he had a presser was because people are unsatisfied with how many games Rice got. He didnt do anything wrong, this like everything was tailored to the media. The embarrassing thing is this is a man of his stature answering to people who have no bearing on his job.
btemp
Footballguy
Don't agree at all - the press conference was horrible and Goodell's being ripped for it. Said he was going to be transparent and answer all questions and guess what... He didn't do either.
I'm not saying he gest canned, but I think this press confernence actually ratchets up the pressure because he handled it terribly. I thought he should've been canned beforehand, but now I am 100% certain about it. Goodell is COMPLETELY out of touch and whoever (and whenever) the next commissioner is, you hope for the NFL's health it's an outside hire.
I'm sorry but you're completely missing it. How has he made the league better?
He's instituted more penalties and slowed the game down even more. During his tenure his economic record is not as strong as suggested (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-owners-may-be-overvaluing-goodell/). There are numerous solutions to make the game safer and more fun without relying on a top-down strategy of simply throwing more flags.
More importantly, while being known for discipline he's been more focused on handing down mult-game fines for players that can't lower their strike zone by 6 inches while hurtling towards another moving object than a man who beats his fiancee. He took 5 months to deliver a verdict - and still completely messed it up when domestic violence IS a major issue in the NFL. Certainly a lot more important than the pot Josh Gordon keeps smoking.
Or how about the referee strike? The Saints bounty scandal that was so badly handled the last commissioner had to come fix it?
Or how about hiding information about the impact of concussions? Do I need to go on?
sho nuff
Footballguy
He instituted more penalties?
Interesting...given its the competition committee that does such things.
How is he more focused on fining people for policies/rules the comp committee already had in place than someone beating his wife or kid? That is simply a BS statement.
Hiding info on concussions is the worst thing he has done (and even that was not all him)...but that is one I would have been fine saying he needed to be gone for.
The others...pfft...
pantherclub
Footballguy
Ratings, revenues and franchise values are at a record levels. Why in the hell would the owners want to get rid of him?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Stupid question, but how did Goodell get this gig? Who was he before his Commish days?
pantherclub
Footballguy
the panel on ESPN said that next week that the Players Union (Dee Smith?) is going to sit down with Goodell and go through each case. Goodell himself said he wasnt sure where to intervene with Greg Hardy. The panel then kindof alluded to that the players may be re-instated until they get there policies in place.
Seems fair to me
pantherclub
Footballguy
btemp
Footballguy
Where do you think that direction comes from? The Goodell (and owners) realized they were going to be facing serious lawsuites given the concussion information they had and Goodell tookt he very public stance of wanting to come down on big hits. Voila - competition committee institutes new penalties. The competition committee is comprised of coaches, GMs, and owners. Hmmmm... wonder where the direction is coming from there...
And that's not being conspiratorially, the competition committee always works with the direction of the league (as makes sense). I didn't expect this needed to be explained.
"How is he more focused on fining people for policies/rules the comp committee already had in place..." What? The penalties for smoking dope have been far more extreme than those for domestic violence. That's kind of why this has become such a big deal, because people saw video evidence of some of what that domestic violence looked like.
And no, concussions certainly was not all on him - far from it. But the fact that you're arguing that his incompetence and hypocrisy doesn't matter? I'm sorry for you.
Ratings and revenues were at record levels before he took over, and under his tenure has grown slower than all other sports and significantly less than under Tagliabue (as I referenced above).
And very simply why? Because the NFL is taking a justified beating for their handling of this. When you make money because people buy your product to escape, and now it's being associated with child and wife-beaters... well that can hurt the brand.
And the owners are very complicit in this, make no mistake, but seeing as people can't get the owners removed they'll take Goodell's head instead.
pantherclub
Footballguy
switch that graph to true dollars instead of percentage and I think it will tell a different story.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
The reason he had the presser was to give the appearance to the sponsors that he was doing something about these problems.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
This OTL article absolutely destroys Goodell and the Ravens. There is NO question in my mind that the Ravens knew EXACTLY what happened and covered it up. It's also 100% clear that Goodell played favorites once again and let Rice off easy due to his friendship with Bisciotti.
If the other owners don't get smart and throw Goodell out to get an unbiased Commish in who isn't universally hated by the public, I would be surprised.
http://es.pn/1qQXaNf
If the other owners don't get smart and throw Goodell out to get an unbiased Commish in who isn't universally hated by the public, I would be surprised.
http://es.pn/1qQXaNf
metoo
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
The league is in a long arc crisis of the concussion ramifications and goodell, despite window dressing manuvers, needs to be ahead of matters now and goodell has shown no significant concern to past issues, nor is he shaping the game to evolve beyond this.
THAT Is the boogeyman waiting for the nfl. And goodell has scarcely distinguished himself on the matter, being a short line hump. Boxing was once as big as football and now it exists in bingo balls and has maybe 3 noteworthy nights a year.
So he is hardly irreplaceable.
Right now he is actively a liability to the brand. And possibly a permanent one.
He makes the owners money? Yes. But if his presence causes protest he stops doing that. P&G pulling our today is your canary in the coal mine.
THAT Is the boogeyman waiting for the nfl. And goodell has scarcely distinguished himself on the matter, being a short line hump. Boxing was once as big as football and now it exists in bingo balls and has maybe 3 noteworthy nights a year.
So he is hardly irreplaceable.
Right now he is actively a liability to the brand. And possibly a permanent one.
He makes the owners money? Yes. But if his presence causes protest he stops doing that. P&G pulling our today is your canary in the coal mine.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
He's only worked for the NFL i believe. He got a job with the nfl by writing a letter to then commissioner pete rozelle.ConnSKINS26 said:
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
He will not survive the espn article and after reading that I actually feel sorry for Ray Rice. Can't believe I typed that. What he did was inexcusable but they protected him when it was in their interest to do so and then vilified him when it was in their interest to do so. Goodbye roger as well as the ravens front office.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Horse #### he's made it better. The product on the field is worse. Less talent, more commercials, more flags and a dart board of player suspensions. Don't even try to sell that Goodell had made the league better. Let's not forget the draft fiasco(s). Having it in prime time ####### sucks. He's never made any progress in shortening the preseason. He reaped what he sowed from Pac Man Jones until this moment in time.Jerry Curl said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Ok, Roger.
Goodell finally speaks, but he shows he still doesn't get it:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/19/roger-goodell-nfl-press-conference-ray-rice-adrian-peterson-greg-hardy
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/19/roger-goodell-nfl-press-conference-ray-rice-adrian-peterson-greg-hardy
7 months after the incident in question it’s clear the public is not satiated by the NFL throwing its piles of money around to new hires, charitable organizations, and committees.GroveDiesel said:
What the NFL has not acted-on is the fact the public will simply not buy that the NFL is taking this issue seriously unless the owners credibly and publicly put on the table just the mere possibility that the Commissioner will be reprimanded and possibly fired (which doesn’t mean they have to fire him).
If the NFL did not want to fire Goodell and also somehow prevent itself from being the punch line of jokes for a few years to come, which is a fate the NBA managed to largely avoid, they’d announce that they put Goodel on temporary suspension pending the results of a (tweaked vs what it is now) investigation….and they’d probably bring him back a number of months later.
I believe that temporary suspension would end the firestorm with firing Goodell, but there is no indication that the owners have an interest in preserving their public reputation. It's almost as if they still think this outcry is akin to the boos he gets at the draft and nothing more. There most be some owners that realize it's much bigger than that and, as more things come out (such as this article), they'll likely take an act to attempt to at least suspend Goodell at some point here. An owner would serve as interim Commissioner.
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