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Why do people continue to start arguments with "if you take away play X..."? You can't. That is an invalid argument.And, as I remember, SF still showed some fantasy value last week, even with a tough offensive showig -- see Vernon Davis.Gore has talent, and the Niners still play in the NFC West. I think Gore will be up and down, but will still probably finish in the top 10 overall.
c'mon pal. get real.
Why the hell would you take away his two 80 yard runs?
Even worse, what if you take away all caries for positive yardage?Touchdown Syndrome said:
Gore is held back by one Jimmy Raye. How does that clown continue to get OC gigs?
Well.... If you take away the play he got hurt would he still look dynamite?
Maybe because they both occured the same week, and most leagues score head to head on a weekly basis?WiDDoW_MaKeR said:
I ususally don't subscribe to this type of thinking, but in this case I do. Keystone Cops tackling on that play..He was good out of the backfield though..
was actually being quite sarcastic. From a FF perspective, I could care less how he ripped off that 64 yarder, and how the rest of his numbers were below pedestrian. Bottom line at the end of the game is a long td and a good chunk of yards. Now if you want to talk actual football and say he looked like crap, different story. I didn't watch the game so can't comment, but I'll take the production this week and move on to the next...Schedule fairly decent moving forward as well...Judge Smails said:
You shouldn't have been because it was a great point. You could care less THIS week how he got those numbers, but for his fantasy value moving forward it's appropriate to discuss how bad he looked running the football sans one run where basically two Colts hit him on either side simultaneously and bounced off of him. Leaner days are looming - Gore has simply gotten more than his fair share to this point. And I'm a pretty diehard dynasty owner.
Regardless there are FEW workhorse RBs in the league that you know will carry the rock the entire game. Based on your statement are you recommending selling him in redraft? If so, for who?
For real. Take away all of Barry Sanders big runs and he might have negative yards for his career. Therefore, he must have sucked.
Just as he won't continue to rip off 70 yard runs ever game, he will also not continue to average 2 ypc every game either. It is simple statistics actually. Crying about ypc without counting the big runs displays a clear lack of understanding of statistics and how things push towards a median over a long duration...Hold tight, I've called a waaaaambulance, its on the way!
you clearly are not a mathematician
Not sure why you think im crying, I have him on my team and will gladly take his big runs. Are you emotionally invested? As far as statistics they usually come up right at the end of the year. Gores statistics show the majority of the time that this team struggles to run the ball.Just as he won't continue to rip off 70 yard runs ever game, he will also not continue to average 2 ypc every game either. It is simple statistics actually. Crying about ypc without counting the big runs displays a clear lack of understanding of statistics and how things push towards a median over a long duration...Hold tight, I've called a waaaaambulance, its on the way!
I do own gore. THe statistics I was talking about was mathematics, not 'stats' of a player, or a team...Statistics deals with probability and such. So for example if you're betting on a coin flip, over the first 100 flips, you might lose your entire bankroll because it came up heads 75 times. Now stretch that to 1000 flips, and you might still be down as 600 times it came up heads. Take it to 10000 it gets closer to 50%, take it to about 10 million flips, and you're bound to be just about 50%. Now thats just a simple example of statistics which I'm sure everyone understands. TO equate this to Gore, once he gets enough carries, he will be close to or above what the league average is. Now the same with the 50+ yard runs. Can't discount them. Because you know what, if you discount all the negative yardage runs he's had, he's also going to be above the 2.2. So it ALL counts, and in the long run, you will have numbers that are indicative of what the player is. So when you say well 2 runs came in 1 game, etcetcetc, none of that matters. Are you going to sit him and have him rip off 2 more 80 yarders?!? Flip side, you start him and he goes for 18-44. Bottom line is, if you have better options you roll with them. IMO, outside of 5 backs in the league, you start Gore every week. And if his 90 yards came on 1 64 yarder and 2.2 per on the rest of his carries, you take that to the bank.Not sure why you think im crying, I have him on my team and will gladly take his big runs. Are you emotionally invested? As far as statistics they usually come up right at the end of the year. Gores statistics show the majority of the time that this team struggles to run the ball.Just as he won't continue to rip off 70 yard runs ever game, he will also not continue to average 2 ypc every game either. It is simple statistics actually. Crying about ypc without counting the big runs displays a clear lack of understanding of statistics and how things push towards a median over a long duration...Hold tight, I've called a waaaaambulance, its on the way!
But just because heads came up the first 75 times doesn't mean the next 25 times are more likely to be tails! While statisticly you are correct that his average is fine probably because he is more of a home-run back, what people want to see is a median around his average ypc. The variance is what is concerning, it's unreliable.I do own gore. THe statistics I was talking about was mathematics, not 'stats' of a player, or a team...Statistics deals with probability and such. So for example if you're betting on a coin flip, over the first 100 flips, you might lose your entire bankroll because it came up heads 75 times. Now stretch that to 1000 flips, and you might still be down as 600 times it came up heads. Take it to 10000 it gets closer to 50%, take it to about 10 million flips, and you're bound to be just about 50%. Now thats just a simple example of statistics which I'm sure everyone understands. TO equate this to Gore, once he gets enough carries, he will be close to or above what the league average is. Now the same with the 50+ yard runs. Can't discount them. Because you know what, if you discount all the negative yardage runs he's had, he's also going to be above the 2.2. So it ALL counts, and in the long run, you will have numbers that are indicative of what the player is. So when you say well 2 runs came in 1 game, etcetcetc, none of that matters. Are you going to sit him and have him rip off 2 more 80 yarders?!? Flip side, you start him and he goes for 18-44. Bottom line is, if you have better options you roll with them. IMO, outside of 5 backs in the league, you start Gore every week. And if his 90 yards came on 1 64 yarder and 2.2 per on the rest of his carries, you take that to the bank.Not sure why you think im crying, I have him on my team and will gladly take his big runs. Are you emotionally invested? As far as statistics they usually come up right at the end of the year. Gores statistics show the majority of the time that this team struggles to run the ball.Just as he won't continue to rip off 70 yard runs ever game, he will also not continue to average 2 ypc every game either. It is simple statistics actually. Crying about ypc without counting the big runs displays a clear lack of understanding of statistics and how things push towards a median over a long duration...Hold tight, I've called a waaaaambulance, its on the way!
I think he'll get it going a bit more. They have some weapons, Crabtree is instantly producing, and VD is turning into an elite TE. Hopefully they get some consistent QB play. They play in the NFC west, can't ask for much more. Start him every week, not much more to say about it...
Got a couple of people trying to pry him away with teh same nonsense about take away his big runs and he's garbage. Well why do you want him then?!? Love FF, guys trying to take other guys they know aren't dumb for a ride...Been offered Steve Smith of the NYG, and they wanted me to throw in Hester, because Smith leads the league in receptiblahblahblah. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll ride gore into the ground all year...
I hear ya man, but that is the life long debate with FF, isn't it. The home run hitters vs. the consistent producers. WHile the variance is more evident with WRs, you tell me 5 rbs that give you solid consistency. Look at CJ, home run hitter that will give you a 49 yard clunker ever so ofter. Take MJD and ADP out of the equation, and tell me who gives you consistency. Yeah Benson is there, that makes 3. Turner hasn't done it, Forte, lets not even go there. Slaton no, Deangelo no. These are all top draft picks. Ray rice has been nice, but you get my point. What are Gore owners going to do, bench him?"!? Trade him for a middle-top receiver?!? Sure if you have 4 starting rbs on the squad thats an option, but round these parts of town we don't have many teams with 4 starters on teh team...But just because heads came up the first 75 times doesn't mean the next 25 times are more likely to be tails! While statisticly you are correct that his average is fine probably because he is more of a home-run back, what people want to see is a median around his average ypc. The variance is what is concerning, it's unreliable.I do own gore. THe statistics I was talking about was mathematics, not 'stats' of a player, or a team...Statistics deals with probability and such. So for example if you're betting on a coin flip, over the first 100 flips, you might lose your entire bankroll because it came up heads 75 times. Now stretch that to 1000 flips, and you might still be down as 600 times it came up heads. Take it to 10000 it gets closer to 50%, take it to about 10 million flips, and you're bound to be just about 50%. Now thats just a simple example of statistics which I'm sure everyone understands. TO equate this to Gore, once he gets enough carries, he will be close to or above what the league average is. Now the same with the 50+ yard runs. Can't discount them. Because you know what, if you discount all the negative yardage runs he's had, he's also going to be above the 2.2. So it ALL counts, and in the long run, you will have numbers that are indicative of what the player is. So when you say well 2 runs came in 1 game, etcetcetc, none of that matters. Are you going to sit him and have him rip off 2 more 80 yarders?!? Flip side, you start him and he goes for 18-44. Bottom line is, if you have better options you roll with them. IMO, outside of 5 backs in the league, you start Gore every week. And if his 90 yards came on 1 64 yarder and 2.2 per on the rest of his carries, you take that to the bank.Not sure why you think im crying, I have him on my team and will gladly take his big runs. Are you emotionally invested? As far as statistics they usually come up right at the end of the year. Gores statistics show the majority of the time that this team struggles to run the ball.Just as he won't continue to rip off 70 yard runs ever game, he will also not continue to average 2 ypc every game either. It is simple statistics actually. Crying about ypc without counting the big runs displays a clear lack of understanding of statistics and how things push towards a median over a long duration...Hold tight, I've called a waaaaambulance, its on the way!
I think he'll get it going a bit more. They have some weapons, Crabtree is instantly producing, and VD is turning into an elite TE. Hopefully they get some consistent QB play. They play in the NFC west, can't ask for much more. Start him every week, not much more to say about it...
Basically, their passing game was ineffective so teams stack the box and can hold him to a low YPC but every once in a while he's going to get a crease, breaks some tackles and take it the distance. He's had 3 long runs but he's only played in 4 games (not counting the game he got hurt at the start) and big runs are part of his game so discounting them is ridiculous. The only time I consider discounting a play is an anomoly like if L. White or Jamal Lewis breaks an 80 yarder...they are grinders and grinding is their game so while they may break one every couple of seasons is not something you can expect to happen frequently...with guys like CJ and Gore that is a part of their game and they are going to break big runs during the year so not counting something that is a strength in their game makes no sense. The offensive line is banged up but the addition of Crabtree and Smith to the offense may loosen up the defense a bit (remains to be seen).
Forte/Driver for Gore/Lance Moore
This guy knows things.
Seriously. Dude was over 100 total and a td at the half. 2nd half got a bit crazy, but you get consistent production like that out of your back, and you end up with a 1400-1800 yard season with 12-20 tds. That is elite. He missed a few weeks so he won't hit that, but his production is serious, and no other back sniffs anything in SF when he is healthy. he's as good a 3rd down back as he is a 1st and 2nd down back, and a good chunk of the passing offense revolves around him as well. In other words, HE IS AN ELITE STUD...and doesn't hurt that they play in nfc west, I can't stress this fact enough...
Since people are jumping on you for this statement...are you saying this from an FF or NFL point of view.RBM said:
I am Team A...had this trade offered to me by a desperate team during the SFO Week 6 Bye before Gore came back in Week 7 from his injury.Team A gets: Schaub, Matt HOU QB;Coffee, Glen SFO RB;Gore, Frank SFO RBTeam B gets: Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB;Edwards, Braylon NYJ WR;Holmes, Santonio PIT WR
this trade would never be approved in any league I'm in...
you have a lame league.
why not?
gore AND Schaub for Mendenhall and a couple of WRs that are middle of the pack?!? And braylon is actually not even middle of the pack, he is a guy that is available 4 times over on the WW, in that he'll give you a decent week and then a 2-23 week...So GORE>>>Mendenhall, and on top of that you have Schaub going for a couple of average wrs that are likely not starting in a 12 team or less league where you need 2 wrs and possibly a Flex...So not knowing the league this went down in, I can't comment on it, buit I can safely say in my 10, 12 and 14 team leagues, this trade wouldn't pass review...
NFL. I said it after the Indy game also. Gore led me to a win yesterday.
I watched the entire game. Without looking into the game stats, I'd say Gore was directly involved in 60% of the offensive plays yesterday. I am not rally sure how you think Gore could have been better used. You cant keep pounding the ball on the ground when you're 3rd and long so often.
