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Gorilla Rescues Toddler at Zoo, Gorilla Euthanized (2 Viewers)

Willie Neslon said:
I guess it's because a majestic, helpless animal was kidnapped and jailed for life so dip####s could stare at him and eat popcorn.  Then one day a family wearing burger king t-shirts showed up and took their eye off their 3 year old as he crawled into the gorilla exhibit. Because of that an awesome animal who did nothing wrong except being born on earth got shot between the eyes. That's why people are pissed. It's all good though as the kid is fine and will be able to drink Dr. Pepper for the next 40 years until his diabetes death reunites him with the innocent animal.
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I love this post. 

 
shuke said:
I'm sure this is shtick but I'll bite.  That exhibit has been open for almost 40 years and this is the first breach. Something extraordinary happened here.  I've been there dozens of times can't and figure out how he climbed over/through the barriers without ANYONE noticing. 
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I'm curious to see if we ever see where/how the kid got in.  Nonetheless, there should be no possible way for a toddler to get into any exhibit.  ESPECIALLY, the exhibits with giant mammals.  Unless the mom threw the kid over, the the zoo is responsible.  Yeah, it doesn't appear as if we have a parent of the year raising this kid, but your kid falling in a gorilla pit shouldn't happen no matter what.

I have a pool fence I can mail up to you now that my kid is swimming.  It did a great job keeping toddlers out of a pool, maybe you could drop it off at the zoo for them to use around the gorilla habitat.

 
i don't blame the parents. When you have toddlers you're supposed to watch them 100% of the time. But sometimes you turn your head. You screw up. One time I was in the supermarket, turned my head and my 2 year old daughter was gone. I panicked. I found her a few aisles down but Ill never forget my great fear to this day. That incident doesn't make me a bad parent. It makes me imperfect, and lucky. 

I do t blame the zoo. No barrier is perfect. And they made the right decision, because most of us believe that human life comes first. 

So there's nobody to blame. Just a tragic series of events. 

 
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timschochet said:
i don't blame the parents. When you have toddlers you're supposed to watch them 100% of the time. But sometimes you turn your head. You screw up. One time I was in the supermarket, turned my head and my 2 year old daughter was gone. I panicked. I found her a few aisles down but Ill never forget my great fear to this day. That incident doesn't make me a bad parent. It makes me imperfect, and lucky. 

I do t blame the zoo. No barrier is perfect. And they made the right decision, because most of us believe that human life comes first. 

So there's nobody to blame. Just a tragic series of events. 
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This wasn't a "turn your head" situation, Tim.

 
Everyone wanting to "shoot the parents" or take the child away from the parents clearly do not have children.  You can watch them and hover over them 24 hours a day and they will still find trouble.  And you guys are the same people that would go crazy over those type of parents anyway.  Sometimes #### happens.

And if any of us had a child get in their with the gorillas would want the zoo the shoot the gorilla immediately. Not shoot a tranq. and hope the gorilla gently puts the child down and crawls in the corner and goes to sleep.  It sucks but it had to be done.

 
Sometimes #### happens is your kid grabs an air horn in a department store. Your kid being put in a position to take a header into the gorilla yard, and then doing it, doesn't qualify for a sometimes #### happens waiver.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Everyone wanting to "shoot the parents" or take the child away from the parents clearly do not have children.  You can watch them and hover over them 24 hours a day and they will still find trouble.  And you guys are the same people that would go crazy over those type of parents anyway.  Sometimes #### happens.

And if any of us had a child get in their with the gorillas would want the zoo the shoot the gorilla immediately. Not shoot a tranq. and hope the gorilla gently puts the child down and crawls in the corner and goes to sleep.  It sucks but it had to be done.
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Just because kids can be hard to handle and try to find trouble doesnt take any responsibility for the parents to keep their kids under control. Especially near potentially lethal animals.

 
Apple Jack said:
Sometimes #### happens is your kid grabs an air horn in a department store. Your kid being put in a position to take a header into the gorilla yard, and then doing it, doesn't qualify for a sometimes #### happens waiver.
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I don't understand this. From what I read, the parents turned their heads and their toddler scooted over or under a barrier. Then the toddler scrambled through bushes and fell where the gorilla was. How was this not just an unlucky accident? What exactly are you suggesting? 

 
Tim > your example is ridiculously horrible. You were at a grocery store. A can of ####ing baked beans wasn't going to jump off the aisle and beat your kid to death. There wasn't any imminent danger. No where near the same thing as hovering around the gorilla pen at the zoo. 

 
Capella said:
Tim > your example is ridiculously horrible. You were at a grocery store. A can of ####ing baked beans wasn't going to jump off the aisle and beat your kid to death. There wasn't any imminent danger. No where near the same thing as hovering around the gorilla pen at the zoo. 
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My fear at the grocery store was that my daughter could have been abducted. 

But it still seems like a "turn your head" incident. 

 
:shrug:   we are members of the Zoo, and have been for several years.  Over the last 10 years, I bet we have been 40 times. We have never lost a kid there, never had a kid climb into any exhibit.

 
Sinn Fein said:
:shrug:   we are members of the Zoo, and have been for several years.  Over the last 10 years, I bet we have been 40 times. We have never lost a kid there, never had a kid climb into any exhibit.
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And 99.99% of parents won't. But this doesn't resolve the question as to whether the ones in this story were terribly irresponsible, or simply unlucky (and later on very lucky). 

 
I don't know TIm.  I hear what you are saying about kids being kids sometimes.  But, you should know the propensity of your kid to do something like try to get in a Gorilla exhibit.  The more of a daredevil you have, the more you need to keep him (her) under constant surveillance.

 
timschochet said:
i don't blame the parents. When you have toddlers you're supposed to watch them 100% of the time. But sometimes you turn your head. You screw up. One time I was in the supermarket, turned my head and my 2 year old daughter was gone. I panicked. I found her a few aisles down but Ill never forget my great fear to this day. That incident doesn't make me a bad parent. It makes me imperfect, and lucky. 

I do t blame the zoo. No barrier is perfect. And they made the right decision, because most of us believe that human life comes first. 

So there's nobody to blame. Just a tragic series of events. 
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Saw a group running around at Disney Animal Kingdom asking if people had seen a kid.  Terrifying experience I hope to never go through, but it happens.  

 
1.  Yes the parents should have been more responsible.

2.  Still no details on how a toddler managed to go into a gorilla enclosure?

3.  At least these parents took their kid to the zoo.  So many parents today are about themselves and social media and not about their kids development.  So before we talk about how bad they are as parents just know their are way worse parents who haven't ever thought about taking their kid to a zoo.

 
TripItUp said:
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I made this remark based upon the initial story.

Having seen the video, the gorilla appeared to be protective of the child, but I guess when good-intentioned people tried to intervene, the gorilla took flight, dragging the boy through a rocky stream with dangerous speed.  It was a tough decision no doubt but the gorilla's family can't sue so he took the bullet.

 
The best schtick at FBG is the one where people whine about parents nowadays being overprotective and brag about how their parents used to let them just disappear for 10 hours while they rode their bike across the interstate at rush hour, and then when some parent turns their head for long enough for one of the multiple kids she's watching to scoot under a fence they're the first ones to scream "take the kid away!".

No one has eyes on their kid every second of every day, even at a zoo (you reasonably expect that a kid is not going to be able to just climb into a gorilla pit).  It just so happens that when you spend 5 seconds looking away it doesn't typically happen to coincide with the same 5 seconds that your kid found a way into a dangerous situation around safety measures.  I'm sure they're not the first parents to look away from their kid for a few seconds near that gorilla pit and I'm sure he's not the first kid to try and slide under the fence, it's just the first time they happened simultaneously.  And there were probably other variables too, like maybe the kid was super skinny to fit through there whereas most kids can't fit.  Like Tim said, a series of unfortunate things that all had to happen simultaneously.

Not to say that the parents are absolved of blame but it was a mistake that every parent makes, they're just usually not so unlucky as to have it happen at exactly the worst possible time.

Of course we don't know if the parent was looking away for 5 seconds or 5 minutes but I have to think that if the kid was a mastermind cutting away the fence with a buzz saw for 5 minutes that someone would have noticed, even if not the parents.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I don't know TIm.  I hear what you are saying about kids being kids sometimes.  But, you should know the propensity of your kid to do something like try to get in a Gorilla exhibit.  The more of a daredevil you have, the more you need to keep him (her) under constant surveillance.
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Have their been reports that this kid has tried to get into a Gorilla exhibit before?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
The best schtick at FBG is the one where people whine about parents nowadays being overprotective and brag about how their parents used to let them just disappear for 10 hours while they rode their bike across the interstate at rush hour, and then when some parent turns their head for long enough for one of the multiple kids she's watching to scoot under a fence they're the first ones to scream "take the kid away!".

No one has eyes on their kid every second of every day, even at a zoo (you reasonably expect that a kid is not going to be able to just climb into a gorilla pit).  It just so happens that when you spend 5 seconds looking away it doesn't typically happen to coincide with the same 5 seconds that your kid found a way into a dangerous situation around safety measures.  I'm sure they're not the first parents to look away from their kid for a few seconds near that gorilla pit and I'm sure he's not the first kid to try and slide under the fence, it's just the first time they happened simultaneously.  And there were probably other variables too, like maybe the kid was super skinny to fit through there whereas most kids can't fit.  Like Tim said, a series of unfortunate things that all had to happen simultaneously.

Not to say that the parents are absolved of blame but it was a mistake that every parent makes, they're just usually not so unlucky as to have it happen at exactly the worst possible time.

Of course we don't know if the parent was looking away for 5 seconds or 5 minutes but I have to think that if the kid was a mastermind cutting away the fence with a buzz saw for 5 minutes that someone would have noticed, even if not the parents.
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Eyewitness to the whole thing said there was no way the mother could have done anything to prevent what the kid did.  The kid was there one second and gone thru the fence in the next.

As a parent with kids, I can completely understand how that happens.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
I realize that there are some who are not okay with the killing of Harambe, but it was absolutely the right thing to do. It is extremely unfortunate, but it is correct. And like Uwe Blab has said, hopefully the parents will not sue. If they do, that would be the second most tragic aftermath of this whole ordeal.
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the point isnt that the gorilla was shot and killed ...its why...i understand the decision to shoot the ape ....problem is 2 fold ....we are responsible for our kids ...and the zoo is responsible for the safety of everyone in the zoo ....if we are going to keep this insane practice of capturing and then needlessly keeping wild animals as exhibits for our viewing pleasure than they had sure as hell make sure this #### cant happen ...no matter what ...i think the first step is getting rid of zoos and circuses ....then get rid of stupid parents

 
BustedKnuckles said:
the point isnt that the gorilla was shot and killed ...its why...i understand the decision to shoot the ape ....problem is 2 fold ....we are responsible for our kids ...and the zoo is responsible for the safety of everyone in the zoo ....if we are going to keep this insane practice of capturing and then needlessly keeping wild animals as exhibits for our viewing pleasure than they had sure as hell make sure this #### cant happen ...no matter what ...i think the first step is getting rid of zoos and circuses ....then get rid of stupid parents
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As soon as there is an end to poaching and habitat destruction there will be much less of a need for zoos, but since that isnt gonna happen sometimes the only way we can ensure the survival of these species is to keep them in zoos.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
The best schtick at FBG is the one where people whine about parents nowadays being overprotective and brag about how their parents used to let them just disappear for 10 hours while they rode their bike across the interstate at rush hour, and then when some parent turns their head for long enough for one of the multiple kids she's watching to scoot under a fence they're the first ones to scream "take the kid away!".
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This is such an awesome observation.  I'm stealing it.

 
I don't know what there is to say. They had to kill the gorilla, it isn't the 3 year olds fault that his parents are irresponsible morons. The zoo should also make it impossible to get into the enclosure. Whole thing is sad, parents are most liable, zoo needs to adjust and make sure it isn't difficult, but impossible for it to happen again.

If the parents file a frivolous lawsuit, I hope them and the attorney representing them are eaten by crocodiles.

 
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