Orange&Blue
Footballguy
hearing a rumor that PoTUS and congress have already agreed to freeze all federal salaries for 2 years as part of budget discussions.
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Capella
CAPELLODINHO
From a good source, or just nonsense floating around?
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
They've been accurate before about general pay increases, but I don't know why they seem to be in the know
dgreen
Footballguy
The White House proposed 5.2% and Congress proposed 8.7% for 2024. They can obviously go back on that, but that's what's been out there for a while.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
that doesn't mean anything
-OZ-
Footballguy
Trying to wrap my head around my next move, although it’s far from a lock I’d like to be mentally prepared.
I currently like my job quite a bit. Great supervisors, tech chain to the agency head is fantastic, no complaints. Telework 60%, in the office 2 days a week, changing schedule for the summer (RDOs) and back to straight 8s for the school year no issue at all. Really couldn’t ask for a better boss, senior boss, etc. work is interesting enough and if I stay long enough I’ll be a 15 equivalent without competing.
But, last week a job opening was posted for my ideal job in a different agency, one of the smallest agencies (I’m currently in the largest agency). Fully remote with some travel doing what I really enjoy. The job gets up to a 15 faster (either immediate or within two years). If this job were open in a few years I’d jump on it for sure. I can see staying in the job well into my 60s.
I applied. If interviewed and asked, I’d probably tell them I haven’t decided whether to take the position. I don’t really want my boss to know I applied yet, though I don’t think she’d be upset, just concerned that she’d lose another from her team.
Really not sure what to do other than proceed and see what happens.
I currently like my job quite a bit. Great supervisors, tech chain to the agency head is fantastic, no complaints. Telework 60%, in the office 2 days a week, changing schedule for the summer (RDOs) and back to straight 8s for the school year no issue at all. Really couldn’t ask for a better boss, senior boss, etc. work is interesting enough and if I stay long enough I’ll be a 15 equivalent without competing.
But, last week a job opening was posted for my ideal job in a different agency, one of the smallest agencies (I’m currently in the largest agency). Fully remote with some travel doing what I really enjoy. The job gets up to a 15 faster (either immediate or within two years). If this job were open in a few years I’d jump on it for sure. I can see staying in the job well into my 60s.
I applied. If interviewed and asked, I’d probably tell them I haven’t decided whether to take the position. I don’t really want my boss to know I applied yet, though I don’t think she’d be upset, just concerned that she’d lose another from her team.
Really not sure what to do other than proceed and see what happens.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
That sucks to hear, wages already weren't keeping up with inflation and we're having a tough time staffing our technology sector with qualified candidates who will work for a federal wage.
Bosses have been preparing us (DoD civilians) to lose all overtime in the very near future. Possibly as early as the next fiscal quarter. We will move to a max-flex schedule and get comp time for any hours over 80 in a pay period.
We're still working through how to handle deployments where a typical day is 12-13 hours. Under this structure a standard three-month deployment would net about 600 comp hours, aka 75 working days off, when and employee returns. As absurd as that sounds, its the current leader in the clubhouse for COAs. I don't think they comprehend how badly this is going to gut our workforce.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
there is a reason why i plan on hiring 15% of my staff every 6 months. the turnover is insane. lost another engineer to space-x, makes twice this year, as they offered 2.5x the salary.
we were told no more OT as well. I'm supposed to go to Japan and S Korea for three weeks and almost all of my employees have lengthy tdys to ME and other points beyond. Not sure what they expect us to do, but it's looking like my entire system program engineering office will be off all of November/December.
if they freeze salaries i will jump and i guarantee 1/2 my team will as well.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The only concern would be if the fully remote position changed that policy. I’ll need to confirm that it wouldn’t change. We’re not moving for another decade, I’d quit / early retire (Probably defer the pension) from the feds before moving.
I won’t really know about the stress of the new position until I do it. Current job has just the right amount imo to keep motivated and not burn out.
Capella
CAPELLODINHO
Felt like I read defense got more money not less.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
I haven't seen anything about it going to pay.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I wonder how much of that is for contractors, service members and civilian. Just guessing, more for contracts and uniformed.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
since pay tables are set by OPM, which is all agencies, the money will not go to civilians.
congress and potus just gave us a 8+% pay reduction. I'm looking for a new job.
Capella
CAPELLODINHO
I guess I don’t know what you’re referring to. I haven’t seen anything about a pay freeze yet.
belljr
Footballguy
I just got my mid year raise
I don't think they are taking it back
-OZ-
Footballguy
Is any of this official?
We just got a 4.6% average increase (iirc) and inflation has fallen, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the 8% decrease.
The only thing I see is “certain federal programs” will be capped or cut.
White House and G.O.P. Strike Debt Limit Deal to Avert Default
With the government on track to reach its borrowing limit within days, negotiators sealed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling for two years while cutting and capping certain federal programs.
Max Power
Footballguy
Cost of goods is up at least 10%. The 4.6% was nice, but federal wages aren't keeping pace with the economy or private sector.Is any of this official?
We just got a 4.6% average increase (iirc) and inflation has fallen, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the 8% decrease.
The only thing I see is “certain federal programs” will be capped or cut.
White House and G.O.P. Strike Debt Limit Deal to Avert Default
With the government on track to reach its borrowing limit within days, negotiators sealed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling for two years while cutting and capping certain federal programs.www.nytimes.com
Hopefully the two year wage freeze isn't a real thing, because we're still looking at 3+ % inflation over the next two years and that's being optimistic.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Where are you getting this 10% rate?Cost of goods is up at least 10%. The 4.6% was nice, but federal wages aren't keeping pace with the economy or private sector.Is any of this official?
We just got a 4.6% average increase (iirc) and inflation has fallen, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the 8% decrease.
The only thing I see is “certain federal programs” will be capped or cut.
White House and G.O.P. Strike Debt Limit Deal to Avert Default
With the government on track to reach its borrowing limit within days, negotiators sealed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling for two years while cutting and capping certain federal programs.
Hopefully the two year wage freeze isn't a real thing, because we're still looking at 3+ % inflation over the next two years and that's being optimistic.
CPI was 4.9% April 22 - April 23
Totally agreed that federal wages aren’t keeping up with equivalent private sector jobs, at least in my field and locally.
Max Power
Footballguy
Real world experience, it more a ballpark number. You can't honestly walk around a grocery store and think prices are only up 5%. I don't think CPI is really reflective of the buying power of a dollar.Where are you getting this 10% rate?Cost of goods is up at least 10%. The 4.6% was nice, but federal wages aren't keeping pace with the economy or private sector.Is any of this official?
We just got a 4.6% average increase (iirc) and inflation has fallen, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the 8% decrease.
The only thing I see is “certain federal programs” will be capped or cut.
White House and G.O.P. Strike Debt Limit Deal to Avert Default
With the government on track to reach its borrowing limit within days, negotiators sealed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling for two years while cutting and capping certain federal programs.
Hopefully the two year wage freeze isn't a real thing, because we're still looking at 3+ % inflation over the next two years and that's being optimistic.
CPI was 4.9% April 22 - April 23
Totally agreed that federal wages aren’t keeping up with equivalent private sector jobs, at least in my field and locally.
Social security COLA went up 8.7% just to keep pace with inflation. Which means our 4.6% isn't even doing that.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Real world experience, it more a ballpark number. You can't honestly walk around a grocery store and think prices are only up 5%. I don't think CPI is really reflective of the buying power of a dollar.Where are you getting this 10% rate?Cost of goods is up at least 10%. The 4.6% was nice, but federal wages aren't keeping pace with the economy or private sector.Is any of this official?
We just got a 4.6% average increase (iirc) and inflation has fallen, so I’m not sure where you’re getting the 8% decrease.
The only thing I see is “certain federal programs” will be capped or cut.
White House and G.O.P. Strike Debt Limit Deal to Avert Default
With the government on track to reach its borrowing limit within days, negotiators sealed an agreement to raise the debt ceiling for two years while cutting and capping certain federal programs.
Hopefully the two year wage freeze isn't a real thing, because we're still looking at 3+ % inflation over the next two years and that's being optimistic.
CPI was 4.9% April 22 - April 23
Totally agreed that federal wages aren’t keeping up with equivalent private sector jobs, at least in my field and locally.
Social security COLA went up 8.7% just to keep pace with inflation. Which means our 4.6% isn't even doing that.
different things have gone up more or less. Our spending other than the remodel hasn’t increased 10% but YMMV. I do agree that the federal average increase should be the same as SS, military pensions, etc.
Max Power
Footballguy
Our new pay policy came out Friday. No OT authorized CONUS. We have to take comp time for any hours worked over 80. It's going to be tricky because we are scheduled to work 84 hours, that is realistically 88-90 a pay period.
OCONUS OT will be maxed out at a Grade 10 step 10 hourly rate. Anything over 175 total hours a pay period will go to comp time. (I'm not sure how the hourly rate thing is even legal)
We're also going to have massive timecard audits and move to a new system of documenting time worked while not badged in to our work center.
OCONUS OT will be maxed out at a Grade 10 step 10 hourly rate. Anything over 175 total hours a pay period will go to comp time. (I'm not sure how the hourly rate thing is even legal)
We're also going to have massive timecard audits and move to a new system of documenting time worked while not badged in to our work center.
Capella
CAPELLODINHO
Where you seeing this at?
belljr
Footballguy
Congress passed a provision for this for military and dod civilian employees
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
incorrect.
senate version has this. house actually wants to cut by 1B.
Committee Approves FY24 Defense Bill
WASHINGTON – Today, the Full Committee met to consider the Fiscal Year 2024 bill for the Defense Subcommittee. The measure was approved by the Committee with a vote of 34 to 24. The Defense bill funds agencies and programs under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense (DOD) and...
Cutting $1 billion of the President’s Budget Request to increase the size of the civilian workforce;
Directing the Department to reassess the number and roles of its civilian personnel needed for its core mission, tasks, and functions and ensuring the Department has an appropriate workforce for areas that directly serve the warfighter, like depots and shipyards; and
Providing funding to accelerate the Department’s digital transformation of business practices through the Chief Data Artificial Intelligence Office.
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belljr
Footballguy
Sorry the Senate Armed Services Committee advanced their draft with 5.2
Per your link
Fiscal Year 2024 Defense Bill
Ensures servicemembers and their families have the support they need by:
Funding a 5.2% pay raise for our servicemembers;
Per the actual document see #2
Per your link
Fiscal Year 2024 Defense Bill
Ensures servicemembers and their families have the support they need by:
Funding a 5.2% pay raise for our servicemembers;
Per the actual document see #2
-OZ-
Footballguy
IOW - “Do more with less” like we have been for years.incorrect.
senate version has this. house actually wants to cut by 1B.
Optimizes the Pentagon’s civilian workforce by:Committee Approves FY24 Defense Bill
WASHINGTON – Today, the Full Committee met to consider the Fiscal Year 2024 bill for the Defense Subcommittee. The measure was approved by the Committee with a vote of 34 to 24. The Defense bill funds agencies and programs under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense (DOD) and...appropriations.house.gov
Cutting $1 billion of the President’s Budget Request to increase the size of the civilian workforce;
Directing the Department to reassess the number and roles of its civilian personnel needed for its core mission, tasks, and functions and ensuring the Department has an appropriate workforce for areas that directly serve the warfighter, like depots and shipyards; and
Providing funding to accelerate the Department’s digital transformation of business practices through the Chief Data Artificial Intelligence Office.
Every so often I’ll consider leaving the DoD for a smaller branch but at least where I’m at is fairly safe - they’re not going to severely cut those of us who support the troops by getting things that fly. And we give a **** load of money to contractors.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Interesting tidbit which may affect some here. https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefit...ours-paid-leave-thanks-calendar-quirk/387974/
The Office of Personnel Management on Monday said that most federal employees will receive an extra few hours of paid annual leave in 2023, thanks to a quirk in this year’s calendar of pay periods.
The federal government’s leave year begins on the first day of the first full biweekly pay period of a calendar year and ends the day before the first pay period of the following year. Ordinarily, that corresponds with 26 pay periods.
But in 2023, the first biweekly pay period for most feds began on Jan. 1, and the last pay period will end on Jan. 13, 2024. That means that while there are the standard 26 pay days in 2023, there is one extra pay period. Federal workers whose agencies’ first 2023 pay period began on Jan. 8 still will only have the standard 26 pay periods this year.
The Office of Personnel Management on Monday said that most federal employees will receive an extra few hours of paid annual leave in 2023, thanks to a quirk in this year’s calendar of pay periods.
The federal government’s leave year begins on the first day of the first full biweekly pay period of a calendar year and ends the day before the first pay period of the following year. Ordinarily, that corresponds with 26 pay periods.
But in 2023, the first biweekly pay period for most feds began on Jan. 1, and the last pay period will end on Jan. 13, 2024. That means that while there are the standard 26 pay days in 2023, there is one extra pay period. Federal workers whose agencies’ first 2023 pay period began on Jan. 8 still will only have the standard 26 pay periods this year.
Orange&Blue
Footballguy
wonderful.... my boss is already pissed at my use/lose situation.
belljr
Footballguy
ah the every 7 year "glitch"
My old contractor used billable hours - so 2080 is the standard 52x40...... Those fers would calculate your rate on 2087 so when the extar pay showed up they would just pay you then
dgreen
Footballguy
No, the paycheck itself doesn't pay out until after the New Year. But, several years ago we did have a year where we received 27 paychecks, so that happens too. And it sounds nice, but it's not really because you have to have extra taxes taken out to cover the extra paycheck (assuming you're someone who tries to manage their tax withholding to come out pretty even by year's end).
-OZ-
Footballguy
Right. And technically we’re slightly underpaid every year.
belljr
Footballguy
I'm petitioning to get moved into the non essential category.....
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
our leadership seems to think we are getting shut down and to prepare to not get paid on 10/15 (coast guard active duty), they've already started to notify the non essential's. Normally we don't do this until the last week of September, it's definitely raising some eyebrows that we are doing it this early.
