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We've well surpassed the April peak. There are over 60,000 new cases per day now. Back in April the highest single day was about 39,000 new cases.
True, I was talking in terms of the peak we had in hospitalizations. But yes, cases are already higher than our peak so wouldn’t surprise me if hospitalizations break our peak as well.
I agree, I’ve always enjoyed Tony’s posts in most threads. As bad as his corona-related posts have been, I think it’s a great example of how confused people can get when they get all their news from an echo chamber of disinformation. One day he will look back and realize he was wrong.
the phenomenon that makes him post isn’t that different than the need to reply to it.
Keep responding to the purposely obtuse contrarian and believe you can convince them of anything.
The messaging for mask wearing has to change. It's no use telling selfish people that the reason you wear a mask is to protect others. The message should be to wear a mask now so that we can have sports, concerts, travel, parties etc later. There has to be something in it for them.
Zero accountability and just throw the blame on someone else. That’s the type of person Trump is. The exact opposite of what a good leader does.
Everybody is so afraid about this. It’s not going to be close. Trump is going to crushed in November.
Please stop with this. You don't know that. If you did you'd be a multi-millionaire after the election with your gambling winnings.
Unfortunately it wouldn’t make a dent or change one persons mind. Fauci would (has already to some) just fall into the ever expanding group of former experts that are now somehow idiots and incompetent.
Of course I don’t know. All I can do is offer my opinion. Which is: it won’t be close.
I don’t usually make predictions but I agree with you - save something big happening (Biden health issue) I think Trump is done. COVID and how he’s handled it will bury him - his incompetence, lack of leadership and the inevitable poor economy.
There was some pretty terrible leadership regards to wars in Vietnam and the Middle East.
Yeah, I think they turned on Fauci awhile ago.
My guess is cases were higher back then so we still have a chance. NY state peaked at about 10k reported cases which were just people testing positive. There was not enough testing to test all the sick people then and if you look at NYC antibody testing survey about 20 percent of NYC residents were positive. That translates to about 1 million cases in NYC alone.
Unfortunately I’m not sure it’s moved the needle as scary as that is. I realize it’s purely anecdotal but I’ve literally not met one person who voted for Trump last time who won’t do so again. The only way I see Trump losing right now is if more people showed up to vote, specifically in the swing states, then did in 2016.
A lot of people said they were voting for Clinton last time because they were too embarrassed to say that they were voting Trump. I have a feeling a significant portion of those same people will say they are voting Trump again to fit in with their tribe but will vote Biden.
Pointed to an article in the voter fraud thread suggesting that the Senate might actually be looking at funding for election issues....specifically helping to expand mail in voting. I expected MANY to be in there all up in arms at the notion that the government was thinking about spending money on such a corrupt, fraud laden concept (allegedly) but oddly enough everyone is doing their best cricket impression in there.....weird.
Anecdotal experience aside, I think there’s one polling number I’m going to watch and that’s the polling of the people who have unfavorable views of both candidates - essentially who is voting for the lesser of two evils. In 2016, a surprising amount of those people chose Trump. The polling I’ve seen so far has Biden crushing him with those voters something like 60-19.
This is why I have hope. Trump is easily the most reviled president of my lifetime. There is no way, in aggregate, that he's gained any voters. The true believers aren't going anywhere, but the people disgusted by Hillary that either sat out or voted for Trump are now significantly more put off by Trump than they ever were by Clinton. And Trump caught lightning in a bottle in '16. I'm with Tim. Its gonna be a trouncing. Immediately followed by a(nother) constitutional crisis wherein DJT uses every trick at his disposal to cast doubt on the results.
There are still huge swaths of this country where there is not enough testing being done. So while we certainly did miss a huge amount of positives in NYC in April, I think we are similarly missing a huge amount of positives currently
Yup. And this is Biden’s ad. This is all he has to do.
Exactly! There’s a meme going around that if you said that we needed to stay at home or wear masks to save the college football season, the entire south would be locked in their rooms. I saw another post saying that we need to do it to avoid another year of homeschooling. These are meant to be funny but they’re absolutely true. Doing it for the ‘greater good’ just isn’t working and that’s a sad indictment of our country.
Good point. I’m in that group, both in ‘16 and now. I’m voting 3rd party though as I’m in Cali. Hope to help get that party a seat at the table in national debates.
There’s way too many for one ad honestly. They have like a Lord of the Rings trilogy here.
There are no remotely viable 3rd party candidates. Vote Biden even in states where the outcome is sure. It isn't enough for Trump to lose. He needs to be overwhelmingly defeated.
The bolded matters absolutely nothing to me, I’ll vote for an empty suit. They stand a zero percent chance of winning, it’s solely about helping get them to the 15% threshold to get into the debates and let another voice be heard. That’s far more important for the future then widening the victory gap (which I certainly hope is massive).
Sure, understand. But there would be if people stopping looking at in binary terms (win or lose), especially in states like mine where it’s a foregone conclusion where the electoral college votes are going. Big picture thinking is required to move us forward.
I voted for Trump. I hated Hillary and was intrigued by the idea of having a non politically correct President. I knew he was scum , but so was Hillary. I have always voted conservative for full disclosure. I almost didn't vote, but the "Never Trump" movement angered me into showing up. I stuck with him the first couple years, but cringed at some of the things he tweeted and said. His handling of the Coronavirus is negligent at best. I will not be voting for him. I will sit this election out unless we magically have two new reasonable candidates.
I don't like the far left agenda and I don't like Biden. I should have seen that Trump was gonna be trouble back in 2016. That was my bad. I think it's clear that Biden is not all there and feel there is no way he gets through a first term. I think politics is corrupt and I'm sick of picking the lesser of two evils. Until there is a massive shift in how we do things or at minimum there is a rational, younger candidate, I'm out.
Does his choice of VP sway you at all?
