GPS chip for certain prisoners: yay or nay? (1 Viewer)

[George Jefferson Airplane]

A piggyback on this NY prison escape stuff.

Would you approve of a chip implant into certain dangerous prisoners? Maybe anyone serving life or convicted of a violent crime?

Seems like a slippery constitutional slope.

 

[gianmarco]

Absolutely. Doesn't seem like a slipper slope to me at all.

 

[bigmarc27]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I prefer the exploding collars, but sure.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Would it cost more or less than a 3 week manhunt?

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

 

[Rick James]

put it in the penis. nobody's going to risk going in there w/ a knife

 

[gianmarco]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

Put them to sleep, make 10 "entry" spots but only put it in one so they have no idea which one it was.

 

[Juxtatarot]

It's not like the U.S. has a big prison break problem.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Not worth the cost IMO.

 

[Rick James]

It's not like the U.S. has a big prison break problem.

pretty sure the show on Fox was a documentary

 

[avoiding injuries]

Prisoners? If it's safe, I want them for my kids.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

It's not like the U.S. has a big prison break problem.

Yeah I don't know what to make of this though

When convicted murderers David Sweat and Richard Matt escaped from a New York prison over the weekend, the state’s governor said everyone should be worried.

“This is a crisis situation for the state,” New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) said, as the Associated Press reported. “These are dangerous men capable of committing grave crimes again.”

But while the means of escape — power tools, steam pipes and manhole covers — were dramatic and the men who employed them highly dangerous, prisoner escapes are an everyday occurrence in the United States. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) data from 2013, the most recent year available, noted 2,001 counts of “AWOL/escape” among prisoners serving sentences of more than one year, including 22 in New York alone.

That year was an outlier — because it was an improvement. More than 2,500 escaped in 2010; more than 3,100 escaped in 2011; and more than 2,500 escaped in 2012. Indeed, prisoner escapes dwindled in the past two decades even as the prison population rose. In 2013, the U.S. prison population was about 1.5 million. But in 1993, 14,305 prisoners escaped out of a prison population of 780,357 — that’s 2 percent of the entire prison population on the lam, as Slate pointed out.

 

[Niles Standish]

I would imagine that of the population of prisoners who are sentenced to life. We have more prisoners who are exonerated than who escape.

 

[Niles Standish]

It's not like the U.S. has a big prison break problem.

Yeah I don't know what to make of this though

When convicted murderers David Sweat and Richard Matt escaped from a New York prison over the weekend, the state’s governor said everyone should be worried.

“This is a crisis situation for the state,” New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) said, as the Associated Press reported. “These are dangerous men capable of committing grave crimes again.”

But while the means of escape — power tools, steam pipes and manhole covers — were dramatic and the men who employed them highly dangerous, prisoner escapes are an everyday occurrence in the United States. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) data from 2013, the most recent year available, noted 2,001 counts of “AWOL/escape” among prisoners serving sentences of more than one year, including 22 in New York alone.

That year was an outlier — because it was an improvement. More than 2,500 escaped in 2010; more than 3,100 escaped in 2011; and more than 2,500 escaped in 2012. Indeed, prisoner escapes dwindled in the past two decades even as the prison population rose. In 2013, the U.S. prison population was about 1.5 million. But in 1993, 14,305 prisoners escaped out of a prison population of 780,357 — that’s 2 percent of the entire prison population on the lam, as Slate pointed out.

I'd guess a lot of escapes are in camps with no real security.

 

[Rove!]

hell no...

it's a slippery slope

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Absolutely. Doesn't seem like a slipper slope to me at all.

hell no...

it's a slippery slope

 

[bigmarc27]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Would it cost more or less than a 3 week manhunt?

They say the manhunt was $1m / day which personally I think is inflated bs, but whatever. I'd like to see a ledger sheet on how that number is calculated. Anyway, census shows about $2.3m prisoners, so let's ballpark this minor implantation / outpatient surgery to $50 per prisoner, and since we're buying in bulk and the government is always great at bargain shopping we'll guesstimate our GPS collars at $50 per as well to make the math easy. So, we're just under a quarter of a billion dollars ($100x2.3M = 230M) at that point assuming everything goes as planned. Also we'll need to pay for tracking and also all the lawsuits that come through the courts. I'm guessing it's not quite comparable.

 

[lod01]

Hell no. What a waste of $. Just execute them in a timely manner. These 2 guys were murderers. They shouldn't have been breathing in 2015.

 

[Rove!]

it didn't take long for tapping the phone calls of the "bad guy terrorists" to slide down the slippery slope and get way out of hand....

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It's not like the U.S. has a big prison break problem.

Yeah I don't know what to make of this though

When convicted murderers David Sweat and Richard Matt escaped from a New York prison over the weekend, the state’s governor said everyone should be worried.

“This is a crisis situation for the state,” New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) said, as the Associated Press reported. “These are dangerous men capable of committing grave crimes again.”

But while the means of escape — power tools, steam pipes and manhole covers — were dramatic and the men who employed them highly dangerous, prisoner escapes are an everyday occurrence in the United States. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) data from 2013, the most recent year available, noted 2,001 counts of “AWOL/escape” among prisoners serving sentences of more than one year, including 22 in New York alone.

That year was an outlier — because it was an improvement. More than 2,500 escaped in 2010; more than 3,100 escaped in 2011; and more than 2,500 escaped in 2012. Indeed, prisoner escapes dwindled in the past two decades even as the prison population rose. In 2013, the U.S. prison population was about 1.5 million. But in 1993, 14,305 prisoners escaped out of a prison population of 780,357 — that’s 2 percent of the entire prison population on the lam, as Slate pointed out.

How many people did the 22 NY prisoners harm? "Crisis" seems like it is a little overboard to me.

 

[spOOfy]

No. It's an almost complete waste of money. They are in for life. You want to put a chip in them on the tiny precentage they escape? They figure out a way to escape, chances are they can figure out how to remove the chip.

 

[belljr]

They're called ankle braces

 

[Sabertooth]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

Put them to sleep, make 10 "entry" spots but only put it in one so they have no idea which one it was.

I'd say 25 points, but yeah.

 

[VA703]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

deep in the cavity

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

deep in the cavity

Yes, with prisoners you want it where if anything it's going to be pushed even further in.

 

[VA703]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

deep in the cavity

Yes, with prisoners you want it where if anything it's going to be pushed even further in.

that should save on the surgery costs as well. just leave it there right on the inside and leave them in the yard drugged up/knocked out. when they wake up it should be halfway to their stomach

 

[Zow]

They're called ankle braces

An ankle monitor runs like $400/month to run. You want to put them on prisoners in high security prisons?? Seems like -EV.

As has been noted by others, prison breaks are incredibly rare. Yes, they happen. And yes the escapees can be violent and dangerous. But no way would either an ankle monitor or a chip be cost efficient.

 

[Spike]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Well we'd put it somewhere where that wouldn't be possible I suppose.

Put them to sleep, make 10 "entry" spots but only put it in one so they have no idea which one it was.

Or just tell them the chip was implanted and let them butcher themselves trying to find out where it is.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Do you have any idea how much this would cost? Besides, if they go through all the trouble of escaping, I'm sure they could find a way to rip it out.

Would it cost more or less than a 3 week manhunt?

They say the manhunt was $1m / day which personally I think is inflated bs, but whatever. I'd like to see a ledger sheet on how that number is calculated. Anyway, census shows about $2.3m prisoners, so let's ballpark this minor implantation / outpatient surgery to $50 per prisoner, and since we're buying in bulk and the government is always great at bargain shopping we'll guesstimate our GPS collars at $50 per as well to make the math easy. So, we're just under a quarter of a billion dollars ($100x2.3M = 230M) at that point assuming everything goes as planned. Also we'll need to pay for tracking and also all the lawsuits that come through the courts.I'm guessing it's not quite comparable.

I sure hope we aren't tagging our minimum security prisoners. That would be a waste.

Really the only people who need to be tagged would be dangerous offenders. That's got to take a huge chunk out of the 2.3 prisoners number.

 

[belljr]

They're called ankle braces

An ankle monitor runs like $400/month to run. You want to put them on prisoners in high security prisons?? Seems like -EV. As has been noted by others, prison breaks are incredibly rare. Yes, they happen. And yes the escapees can be violent and dangerous. But no way would either an ankle monitor or a chip be cost efficient.

I don't want to do any of it but people talk about all these new technologies just slap anankle bracelet on him if that's what you really want to do

 

[FUBAR]

Maybe for child molesters.

 

[Mister CIA]

Decapitating prison employees that facilitate prison breaks seems so much more cost-effective.