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Gruden nailed it. (1 Viewer)
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
what pick was he referring too...It's a crazy league, there are a lot of dumb ssa coaches out there. Oh, we're on the air.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The entire crew was very lame. Steve Young and Tom Jackson were shouting over each other. Berman had his throat slash gesture on air. His neck was purple, he was pissed. Looked like a doochebg.
Only guy worth watching was Gruden. Not nearly enough Mortensen of Shefter. I liked the Erin Andrews/McCoy bimbo reporters that added some interest.
Hope tommorow's show is better.
Only guy worth watching was Gruden. Not nearly enough Mortensen of Shefter. I liked the Erin Andrews/McCoy bimbo reporters that added some interest.
Hope tommorow's show is better.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Needed more Gruden. Less of everyone else.
wow...i didn;t even flip to espn cause I cant stand berman in this format anymore and I used to like the guy.....I was cool with NFL network all night
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Flipped between both all night, NFLN coverage had better insight and better info/predictions on the picks.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Suzy Kolber looked REALLY good.
Didn't tune in to ESPN at all tonight, but I might just check in tomorrow for a wee bit. If it's that big of a train wreck it might be fun to see.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yes
That did it for me. No freakin' way I miss this.
PitbullTD
Footballguy
No he was saying exactly what the OP said. Kiper and him were both laughing it up as he said it.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The best Gruden moment was when Kiper started criticizing Tebow - immediately after Gruden raved about him - and Gruden started shuffling through papers on the desk as if to say "whatever Mel, are you still talking? Blah blah blah"
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
+1.Still trying to find out.what pick was he referring too...It's a crazy league, there are a lot of dumb ssa coaches out there. Oh, we're on the air.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
When Tebow got picked, ESPN uesd most of the minutes leading up to, and after the pick on expanded coverage with Jeremy Schapp.
They were seconds away from Arizona's pick, and it was an afterthought. I'd be pissed if I was a Cardinals fan.
I kept hearing out of Berman's mouth...."such and such team is going to pick, or we think..." and the pick was already traded and he didn't know. He kept using his "rumblin, stumblin" persona. It is old and dried up. He needs to put to pasture....Like Madden, his time has passed. Kind of when you have to nudge a senior citizen to give up their drivers license.
Both Kiper an Mcdooche are outta touch, and don't try to guage the teams needs. They are supposed to be insightful, but they are clueless....wrapped up in thier own egos, if they think that player is great, they don't adjust their draft board.
It raises serious credibility issues when Kipers top 7 player (Clausen) is still on the board in the 2nd round. His schtick is also getting tiring.
Mayock owns them bi@C#es
They were seconds away from Arizona's pick, and it was an afterthought. I'd be pissed if I was a Cardinals fan.
I kept hearing out of Berman's mouth...."such and such team is going to pick, or we think..." and the pick was already traded and he didn't know. He kept using his "rumblin, stumblin" persona. It is old and dried up. He needs to put to pasture....Like Madden, his time has passed. Kind of when you have to nudge a senior citizen to give up their drivers license.
Both Kiper an Mcdooche are outta touch, and don't try to guage the teams needs. They are supposed to be insightful, but they are clueless....wrapped up in thier own egos, if they think that player is great, they don't adjust their draft board.
It raises serious credibility issues when Kipers top 7 player (Clausen) is still on the board in the 2nd round. His schtick is also getting tiring.
Mayock owns them bi@C#es
Routilla
Footballguy
I was getting pretty hammered but I think you are right. Looking at Orton, Quinn and the extra picks they had just acquired, then DEN steps up for Tebow who provides good insurance as a #3QB as a 1st round pick. Yep, I think you got it.
Did you really want to kiss her?
Jbearjimmy
Footballguy
There was definitely a lot of weird tension between the ESPN guys. I think Steve Young's an idiot so the way I saw the tension was frustration all directed at Steve Young pulling dumb comments out of his ### while pick after pick trying to talk over everyone else. It was annoying to watch.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Are you freaking kidding me? She looks like one of those troll dolls on acid.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
chook
Footballguy
That blondie was ok though. The one who wasn't Erin Andrews, who looks to have gone somewhat downhill.
belljr
Footballguy
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If its jenn brown, she is smoking, not sure what channel she was doing, but she had guest spots on inside the nfl, I think she is a spinnerThat blondie was ok though. The one who wasn't Erin Andrews, who looks to have gone somewhat downhill.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
You won't know if Kiper is right or wrong about Clausen for a few years. If he develops into a Drew Brees, then I'd say he was right and the NFL GMs/scouts are wrong.
fsufan
Footballguy
i thought that was what i heardIt's a crazy league, there are a lot of dumb ssa coaches out there. Oh, we're on the air.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I can't imagine not watching / listening to Mayock for these things. IMO he's clearly above the rest.
Ned
Footballguy
That was what made it so entertaining for me. It was obvious, just like it used to be on the ESPN Sunday pre-game show, that Steve Young is not well liked. Gruden was laughing at him with Kiper and Tom Jackson continued to pout. How could you not love that train wreck?
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Steve Young on Kevn Kolb.. "he's either going to do it or he's not going to do it." You don't say Steve? Thanks for that wonderful insight. The whole channel should be shutdown. With NFL and MLB networks, the entire channel is useless. Basketball is a waste of time and they don't cover hockey, so just shut it down and free up another channel on my guide.
Looked like he was reading a text from someone. http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/04/22...lotta-dumb-###/
And love Gruden. If he, Kiper and Young could do it all, it'd be better.
J
And love Gruden. If he, Kiper and Young could do it all, it'd be better.
J
Sabertooth
Footballguy
You say that like its a bad thing.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
NFL Network is not available to me.
It is a hellish nightmare I find myself in.
Todem
Footballguy
Same here love seeing Faulk, Irvin and Deion....plus the normal crew at NFLN. I do miss Schefter though...he is damm good.But NFLN is my place for all my NFL viewing for pregame, postgame and draft coverage. I only watch Monday Night Countdown these days for my ESPN football fix.Come on man!!!!
Todem
Footballguy
Dude....that sucks.NFL Network is not available to me.
Topes
Footballguy
She was so cute, I coulda just kissed her.
The ESPN coverage was a train wreck last night. The only reason I watched it was because it was being televised over here and I didn't have to stream over the internet. It's NFL Network the rest of the way for me, no doubt! It was fun watching Kiper get flustered as Clausen kept falling.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I have almost the exact opposite opinion. I hated the NFLN coverage and couldn't stand any of them. As for ESPN, I only need Chuckie, Mel and Mort. The rest can just go away in a corner somewhere and try to talk over each other the entire time.
Shutout
Footballguy
There were some weird goings on last night, but in some of their defenses:
1. I believe when Berman was upset and giving the cut signal it was when the veterans were being honored on stage and the mics were still on. At least in that one instance, I think he was just trying to kill the sound for that moment. At other times though, yes, clearly, guys were talking over each other a lot and it was annoying.
2. TJ was aving Mic problems and I think that killed the flow of the talk/responses. Young was pretty terrible at times and I don't think it was planned for him to talk as much.
3. This was a bad stumble on both networks' parts, IMO, all the cut scenes showing players on the phones and going to the insiders to report picks before the Commish did..bad "I'll scoop YOU" tactics..that was a turnoff to me.
4. I don't understand people criticzing the guys as hard as they do when, for example, Kiper says Claussen is the 7th best player but he slides in the drive. All Kiper is saying is that he's that talented. He, himself, says, these guys will fall if team needs don't match. can't blame a guy for that. Overall, all these guys know a lot...just gets lost in the presentation sometimes.
5. If you really want to get some good draft coverage, flip on your Sirius radio and listen to Brandt, Kirwin, Ryan, Schien, and those guys. Between them all, they know everything about everybody and they do a great job snagging the guys for interviews right after they are picked, etc.
1. I believe when Berman was upset and giving the cut signal it was when the veterans were being honored on stage and the mics were still on. At least in that one instance, I think he was just trying to kill the sound for that moment. At other times though, yes, clearly, guys were talking over each other a lot and it was annoying.
2. TJ was aving Mic problems and I think that killed the flow of the talk/responses. Young was pretty terrible at times and I don't think it was planned for him to talk as much.
3. This was a bad stumble on both networks' parts, IMO, all the cut scenes showing players on the phones and going to the insiders to report picks before the Commish did..bad "I'll scoop YOU" tactics..that was a turnoff to me.
4. I don't understand people criticzing the guys as hard as they do when, for example, Kiper says Claussen is the 7th best player but he slides in the drive. All Kiper is saying is that he's that talented. He, himself, says, these guys will fall if team needs don't match. can't blame a guy for that. Overall, all these guys know a lot...just gets lost in the presentation sometimes.
5. If you really want to get some good draft coverage, flip on your Sirius radio and listen to Brandt, Kirwin, Ryan, Schien, and those guys. Between them all, they know everything about everybody and they do a great job snagging the guys for interviews right after they are picked, etc.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Can you explain this? I was on NFLN all night but this sounds like a pretty big mistake.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I remember when Berman first appeared on ESPN in 1979. It was so exciting to have an all sports network. Unheard of at the time. I've always liked Berman, even though I don't like how he steals some of John Facenda's and Howard Cosell's stuff, but he had his moments. I think it's time for him to ride off into the sunset. He's overstayed his welcome to the national public IMO.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i just believe that the cameras and mikes were on but the gang was unaware. berman's gesture was to kill the mikes. they even had the floor and table lights off initially, iirc. they were just unprepared. it's a long, live broadcast and mistakes like this happen.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Oh. I thought this was a Keyshawn Johnson like throat slashing.
This. There will definitely be mistakes. But given what they're trying to do and how they do it and the content they cover, I think it's outstanding.J
HellToupee
Footballguy
my only gripe about the NFLN is that there were way too many commercial breaks this year
And one of the things I liked about ESPN was them keeping the ticker running during commercials. That's great.J
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I wish I had watched the ESPN coverage now.
