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Case in point, gun control advocates want to talk about suicides, but guns aren't what causes the massive numbers.
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I really don't know other than parenting has gone downhill. I see it coaching kids.
A few follow up questions:
Not to me, but I am also asking what the level of responsibility for leaving it in your vehicle is. I thought you'd know.
Let's stop referring to suicide numbers as it relates to gun control then. It's obviously not the problem.
Locked car is NOT enough.
There's no law requiring a safe in your car. I either put mine in the glovebox if I'm in and out real quick or the trunk depending on various factors. Cops keep rifles and shotguns in their trunks, as well.
No, I won't drop it. Access to firearms increases the lethality of suicide attempts by a factor of something like 10-15x. That is huge. The guns aren't CAUSING the suicide attempts, they make them way more deadly. Part of gun control is safe storage and keeping the weapons out of the hands of other people, so it's part of the equation, even though you obviously don't like to talk about it.
That's a good practice. I've been in situations where I felt it would be more secure inside the vehicle instead of the trunk. And that's simply because I didn't want somebody noticing me putting it in the trunk.
It's situation dependent.... people like to frame things as black and white issues and it's rarely the case.
Handgun is 100% legal to have in a car in most places, technically all places now thanks to Bruen. As with all things... know your law. Good list of state by state laws here.
I don't CC, and I am curious about all the logistics.
I assumed most had some sort of safe like he is talking about written in, but you seemed to be saying different.
I thought we were talking mass shootings & AR-15s...that angle.
Thanks. Makes sense why I couldn't find info on the handguns then.
Appreciate the link.
Safes are a fine idea.I don't CC, and I am curious about all the logistics.
Like Icon's post about the regulations of the business owners' signs that I found interesting, I am interested what the exact steps CCers are supposed to take for situations like needing to have the gun in the car because a location you are going to doesn't allow it.
Yes, this is a HUGE issue with this topic and why I am asking specific questions. Those are still mass shootings by definition (which varies, but is usually 3-4 people shot not including the shooter), and they are included when you look up mass shooting stats. Just like suicides make up the biggest % of the gun violence stats, these domestic/gang shootings dominate the mass shooting stats.
Haha. Well, there's a difference between being educated and being smart.There is a low hanging joke there that I won't take.
I get what you are saying though. The dynamic in OK is that it's probably 99% for CC to begin with, so my scenarios wouldn't arise. I honestly don't know how common it would be here either, but it's something I will note as I head into Madison the next few times.
Oh, I have 0 illusions on this front. I am about the least mechanical person you could come across, never hunted, probably couldn't take a fish off a hook, etc.. End of times comes, and my family and I are goners.Haha. Well, there's a difference between being educated and being smart.
Just remember who's going to thrive (comparatively) if things go to ####, LOL.
Many people around here have real survival skills (gardening, canning, hunting, construction/mechanical ability, etc.). I'm guessing the vast majority of city folks would do rather poorly with that bachelor's degree.
BTW, it doesn't have to be the end of times...just a reset.
No it doesn't. Even if I frame it in a way where any scenario arises where I or my wife has to grow, catch, or kill for our food we are probably screwed.
I would put higher odds on her because she is a vet and at least handles animals and is around death. 
Great. Now keep them out of the hands of people with no training, mental health issues, or criminal backgrounds and I'm good.
Yep, still don't get it. The bolded is not true. Like I said, people don't seem to bother reading about these things or understanding them.
Yep, still don't get it. The bolded is not true. Like I said, people don't seem to bother reading about these things or understanding them.
Jfc you guys- this is not hard. I have not done the bolded, nor has anyone in this thread to my knowledge.
Me too. Enforce the laws and you’ll solve the majority of these problems, like Highland Park.
