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"Hannibal" the TV show (1 Viewer)

I'm not sure if it's the way the character is conceived, or Michael Pitt's acting, but he's over-the-top to the point where it's distracting.

 
I'm not sure if it's the way the character is conceived, or Michael Pitt's acting, but he's over-the-top to the point where it's distracting.
Yeah, everyone else is subdued, internalized, and he's hamming it up like he's trying to do Heath Ledger's joker.

 
I'm not sure if it's the way the character is conceived, or Michael Pitt's acting, but he's over-the-top to the point where it's distracting.
Yeah, everyone else is subdued, internalized, and he's hamming it up like he's trying to do Heath Ledger's joker.
Hannibal seemed pretty annoyed too, didn't he? I don't think it's distracting, just dissonant.Another solid episode. I'm glad they're not letting the Freddie Leads thread dangle.

 
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Sarnoff said:
Raider Nation said:
I'm not sure if it's the way the character is conceived, or Michael Pitt's acting, but he's over-the-top to the point where it's distracting.
Yeah, everyone else is subdued, internalized, and he's hamming it up like he's trying to do Heath Ledger's joker.
Reminds me of this guy

 
Early in "Tome-Wan," Hannibal explains that he warned Mason about Will because, "I was curious to see what would happen" — a sentiment that motivates his decisions as much as hunger and pride. Soon after, he invites Will to imagine what he would like to see happen between them, and Will pictures a scenario where a barefoot Hannibal is bound in a straightjacket, hanging from a meat hook above Mason's pigs, supplicant and ready to be sliced by Will and eaten by the pigs...... which is a scenario that more or less comes true much later in the episode, which prompted me to wonder if the whole hour was some kind of "Total Recall" stunt — or the longest "This is my design" sequence in the series' history — existing entirely inside Will's head, whether he realized it or not. But though it all turns out to be real, the entire episode has the dreamlike quality — or, considering what happens to Mason, nightmarish quality — that's been such a key motif of this second half of the season. None of this feels real, because how could it? How could all of the grotesque things being done by Dr. Lecter, by Will, and by Mason be part of the world we know and understand? This is an episode where a man cuts off his own nose and happily eats it, laughing as he compares the consistency of his skin to that of a chicken gizzard, for the sake of whatever God our characters actually believe in. We know this is real, because it's part of the plot — and because even previous incarnations of the show had a flair for the macabre — but more than ever, the real comes with a healthy dollop of the surreal.

As the season's penultimate chapter, "Tome-Wan" does have to pause at times to start revealing how the magician is doing his trick — that, for instance, he really did mutilate Randall Tier's body, even if Jack knew about it — and it's a bit disappointing to find out that Will hasn't been quite as on his game as has been suggested in some previous episodes. Obviously, if Will had uncovered real evidence, Jack could just lock up Hannibal already and go home to deal with his grief, but when Will and Jack are together discussing the case, Will seems smaller and weaker than the man who sits at Hannibal Lecter's dining room table, confidently matching wits and bites with him. Probably the most interesting aspect of what we learn is simply the confirmation that Jack has been on Will's side this whole time, and that he believes Lecter is the Ripper, because of how that ties into the flash-forward brawl that opened the season. The expression on Jack's face in that scene suggested a man enraged to realize how badly he had been tricked, but obviously Jack has dealt with that realization by now. And that probably means that he is so furious because Lecter has done something very bad to someone Jack cares about. (Alana and Bella seem to be the only options.)

As for mutilated, paralyzed Mason, he and Margot provided a focus for this game between Will and Hannibal, and it's probably better that it was primarily them the last few weeks rather than more and more Killers of the Week. Still, I don't know that Michael Pitt's performance — memorable though it was — entirely fit into the framework of the show, and the Verger arc ultimately felt like Bryan Fuller and company simply taking advantage of Thomas Harris characters they had the rights to use, but wouldn't likely be on the air long enough to incorporate in their original context. But if this is the last we're going to see of them this season (or, depending on how long the show runs, ever), the "Boardwalk Empire" fan in me was at least amused to see Pitt temporarily playing Richard Harrow, his ruined face hidden behind a mask, his voice emanating even as we can't see his lips move.

One episode to go, and it's a relief to know the show will be back for at least one more season, especially since I can't imagine we close this season with Hannibal behind the same bars that held Will a year ago at this time. (A season devoted to Lecter as a fugitive, and maybe his trial, seems to make more sense.)
 
In the books/past movies, did Hannibal use a hallucinogenic drug to get Mason Verger to carve himself up? I couldn't remember, and was under the impression that he did it from psychiatric manipulation, not drugs.

 
Josie Maran said:
Psychopav said:
In the books/past movies, did Hannibal use a hallucinogenic drug to get Mason Verger to carve himself up? I couldn't remember, and was under the impression that he did it from psychiatric manipulation, not drugs.
Yes, he drugged him.
"It seemed like a good idea at the time"

 
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If you went into "Mizumono" expecting concrete answers about how exactly Will's game has worked, how he finally convinced Jack of Hannibal's guilt, and how the two of them in turn convinced Freddie, Alana and Cynthia Nixon's character, then you may have come out of it feeling disappointed. None of that is explained, or even really hinted at; we went from the world believing Will to be the Chesapeake Ripper due to the mountain of evidence Hannibal provided, to the world believing Frederick Chilton(*) to be the Ripper for the same reason, to the entire resources of the FBI being brought to bear against Hannibal Lecter, even though as recently as last week, Will was admitting to Jack that he had yet to gather a single concrete piece of evidence against the good doctor.

(*) Chilton has barely been discussed since his last appearance. When Todd Van Der Werff asked Bryan Fuller about the idea of killing off Chilton — who is very much alive in the Hannibal Lecter books and films that take place after these events — Fuller just said that "Serpico survived a bullet to the face." He could be goofing around, or we could return in season 3 to find Chilton alive but disfigured in some very "Hannibal" way.

And to a degree, that plot hole is also a hole in the emotional side of things. We come full circle on the Jack/Hannibal brawl with which we opened the season, and see that Jack's rage is driven not by the abrupt discovery of Hannibal's true identity, nor by Hannibal having just done something terrible to Bella, Alana, Will or anyone else Jack cares about, but simply by the realization that Nixon is about to take him out of action and ruin the whole plan, and that therefore this is his last and only chance to do something to stop this monster. I buy this as a thing Jack Crawford would feel if he actually believes that Lecter is the Ripper, but given how much time was spent at the end of last year and the start of this one on Jack believing other people to be the Ripper, and refusing to even consider that it might be Hannibal, I don't think we can just take on faith that Will convinced him off-camera. We don't need a flashback to the moment where it happened, but we need some kind of detail that explains why Jack flipped, and in turn why all the other people did, and how that led to the massacre at Lecter's home.

But I don't think the second half of season 2 was especially interested in concrete answers, facts or anything of the sort. It was deliberately shot and edited in a markedly different style from what the show had used before, all loose and smokey and elliptical, making these post-Chilton episodes feel less like a criminal investigation than like a dream — or, more accurately, a nightmare. And though I haven't had time to speak with Fuller about his intentions for the back half of the season, I imagine that the goal was to plunge the viewer into the nightmare right along with Will Graham — to make us understand what it feels like to get this close to Hannibal Lecter, and how you begin to lose a sense of time, and space, and morality, even if you are, like Will, going into this project with eyes wide open and objective in sight.

And on a nightmare, reality-questioning level, "Mizumono" was an incredible end to season 2. It made me genuinely wonder about Will's loyalties — in part because it was clear after a while that even he didn't know. He started out as a fisherman trying to lure Hannibal Lecter, and at a certain point he became the bait, and then the fish wriggling on the end of the hook. He spends the finale intellectually wanting to bring in Hannibal, but emotionally he's lost, possibly up until he sees Alana lying on the sidewalk, clinging to life, and definitely by the time he sees Abigail is alive and (somewhat) well, Hannibal having given her the Miriam Lass treatment (cutting off a body part, followed by confinement and emotional manipulation). Through all of this — the confinement in the mental hospital, and then the mutual seduction between himself and Hannibal — the one constant that Will had was his memory(**) of and love for Abigail. Seeing her both alive and in imminent danger from Hannibal jolts Will out of his mental stupor, but it's too late because he's been physically gutted by Hannibal, unable to do anything but sob as he watches her bleeding out.

(**) At first, I was amused at the talk of memory palaces, given how similar it sounds to Holmes' mind palace on "Sherlock," but I believe the concept (if not that exact name) was introduced back in the "Red Dragon" book.

Even if you know some of the details of Will's injury from the books/films, it still doesn't feel like ample warning for the savagery of the closing acts — and for the way that David Slade manages to combine that brutality with the same sense of dark beauty he brought to the series from the first episode. Just look at that shot of Alana lying on the sidewalk, shattered glass and rain drops falling on her in seemingly equal measure, making her look like a figure in a fairy tale — but perhaps one of the original Brothers Grimm editions rather than a Disney translation. That's horrifying and wonderful at once.

We close with the world of the good guys in tatters. Any or all of Will, Jack, Alana and Abigail could be dead by the time we return for season 3 — and news of Laurence Fishburne's new ABC sitcom "Black-ish" will no doubt have all the Jack fans freaking out, even though he's only a recurring guest star (and producer) there, and has his first contractual obligation to "Hannibal" — while Hannibal flies off for Europe with a seemingly friendly and conspiratorial Dr. Du Maurier as his traveling companion. (Though her motives could be revealed to be more complicated next season — give or take Gillian Anderson's availability — her presence on Team Hannibal was the final magic trick in a night full of them.)

Gun to my head — or knife to my belly — I probably prefer the first half of season 2, which was more interested in balancing the psychological drama and macabre horror with some relatively straightforward plotting. But I think I may also prefer it for a more selfish reason: watching Will get so deep into Dr. Lecter's head, and slipping right in there with him, was more unsettling an experience than I might want to revisit, whereas I can imagine gleefully binging the Chilton arc on a long, rainy Sunday. And the fact that it disturbed me so means, I suspect, that Fuller did exactly what he set out to do.

Great show. Great season. So glad NBC's deal with Gaumont is keeping it around for more, and damn curious what the structure of the show will be with Hannibal as a fugitive, regardless of which FBI-adjacent characters make it out of his house alive.
 
Watching it again. So good.

"Love and death are the great hinges on which all human sympathies turn. What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others lives beyond us."

 
Can this get to netflix already? I'll probably spend the next week watching streaming tv at work and I'm really wanting to watch this. Stupid network tv. :kicksrock:

I've never seen a minute if this show and I'm hoping it gets to continue.

 
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I thought that memory palace stuff sounded familiar.

Will graham was played by Gil Grissom in the first movie and ed norton in the third movie, right? Did he appear in any other hannibal movies?

 
Can this get to netflix already? I'll probably spend the next week watching streaming tv at work and I'm really wanting to watch this. Stupid network tv. :kicksrock:

I've never seen a minute if this show and I'm hoping it gets to continue.
Season 1 is on Amazon Prime.

 
All the :o holy... wow, etc. = :goodposting: Watched the finale this morning, what a ride!

Wife started watching so I've been watching it again with her. Just finished season 1 and I'm saying "hurry up" so I can watch season 2 again.

 
:kicksrock: Wife and I had a wedding on Friday, so we were hoping to catch it on DVR last night. Turns out NBC was showing a Phillies game Friday night, which I honestly can't remember them ever showing. Seems game ran long, and our entire episode is inngins 7-9 of the Phillies game. Hoping the on demand puts this up soon enough to catch the episode

 
:kicksrock: Wife and I had a wedding on Friday, so we were hoping to catch it on DVR last night. Turns out NBC was showing a Phillies game Friday night, which I honestly can't remember them ever showing. Seems game ran long, and our entire episode is inngins 7-9 of the Phillies game. Hoping the on demand puts this up soon enough to catch the episode
Oh I'd be pissed. You should probably learn the torrents.

 
Better Than Silence: Hannibal on NBC is the best Thomas Harris adaptation to date.

There are five movies based on the fictional world that Thomas Harris, over the course of four novels, has populated with FBI agents, colorful serial killers, and, most importantly, the cannibal psychiatrist Hannibal Lecter. One is a cult classic (Manhunter, based on the novel Red Dragon) and one is a classic classic (The Silence of the Lambs, of course). The other three—Hannibal, Red Dragon, and Hannibal Rising—have very little to recommend them. I have a soft spot for the campy fun of Hannibal, but it’s an awful movie that basically turns Hannibal into a superhero. Red Dragon tells the same story as Manhunter, but the results are not nearly as powerful, mostly because Ed Norton can’t come close to matching William Petersen’s haunted Will Graham. Hannibal Rising is a nauseating mess that proves no one needed to see Hannibal’s origin story. It’s basically the second Star Wars trilogy of thrillers.
The NBC series Hannibal, the second season of which premieres this Friday, surely arose from the same motivation that spawned the regrettable post-Silence movies: a money-grubbing yearning to milk Hannibal Lecter for all he’s worth. Yet somehow it has become an engrossing, psychologically dense show that is also visually stunning. Hannibal is the kind of gem seldom found on network TV. It’s more than that, even: It’s the best version of Thomas Harris’ work yet—yes, even better than Manhunter and The Silence of the Lambs.
How is this possible? It probably helps that the show is also the loosest adaptation of Harris’ work so far. Rather than adapt one of the Lecter novels, Hannibal is inspired by events mentioned but not depicted in Red Dragon—specifically, the time before Hannibal was caught, when Will Graham was an active FBI profiler. Avoiding the all-too-familiar Hannibal-in-prison scenario and expanding on intriguing, unexplored events, the show manages to nail the best qualities of Harris’ work: the psychological nuance, the beautiful horror, and the black, black comedy.
The show’s pre-Red Dragon setting is crucial, as it provides the series with its chief asset: FBI profiler Will Graham, played heartbreakingly by Hugh Dancy. Will is a more interesting protagonist than Clarice Starling—or, for that matter, Will Graham in Manhunter. Clarice, while memorably brought to life by Jodie Foster, is too purely good to be all that engaging as a character. Will, on the other hand, the man who eventually catches Hannibal, is as complex as Hannibal himself. He’s also as dark as you can probably get without actually becoming a serial killer.
And one of the show’s creative coups is its depiction of his inner life. Will has an almost supernatural ability to get in the heads of serial killers, and the show dramatizes this ability by presenting mental landscapes in which Will imagines himself committing the actual deeds. This technique, coupled with Dancy’s superb acting, shows how Will’s “talent” is also a horrifying form of self-torture. For Will, the ultimate horror movie is playing in his mind, and he’s the villain. Will’s extreme empathy is one of the key details from Red Dragon that Hannibal expands on and heightens. (Another: Will’s love of dogs. He’s always picking up strays.)
At the heart of Silence are the conversations between Hannibal and Clarice, and the odd, strangely touching bond they create. But Hannibal and Will have an even more intricate and enjoyable relationship, one of the most complex on TV and also the best relationship in any Harris adaptation. As the series begins, Jack Crawford (Laurence Fishburne), the head of the FBI’s Behavioral Sciences division, has pulled Will out of the classroom to help catch Garrett Jacob Hobbs, the Minnesota Shrike, a serial killer who has been murdering young brunettes. Will does catch—and has to kill—the Shrike. Jack knows that this sort of trauma jeopardizes Will’s mental health, and that’s where Hannibal comes in: He’s there to support Will. This, of course, is a bit like bringing in the Coyote to support a wounded Road Runner. Gradually, a serial killer and the guy who can think like a serial killer become the ultimate frenemies, and their multilayered, darkly humorous, highly open-to-interpretation conversations are delicious. The show smartly plunders some of the better lines from Red Dragon, such as a letter from Hannibal to Will that becomes dialogue on the show: “When you were so depressed after you shot Mr. Garrett Jacob Hobbs to death, it wasn’t the act that got you down, was it? Really, didn’t you feel bad because killing him felt so good?”
The Will/Hannibal dynamic is not the only interesting relationship on the series. Jack forms a bizarre triangle with the central twosome, an awkward state of affairs made highly watchable thanks to Fishburne’s understated performance. And the conversations between Hannibal and his own psychiatrist, Dr. Bedelia Du Maurier—played with icy cool by Gillian Anderson—nearly steal the show: On the couch talking to Du Maurier, Hannibal offers manipulations wrapped in honesty wrapped in more manipulations.
What about Hannibal himself? I won’t say that Mads Mikkelsen is better than Anthony Hopkins in the role. But he is subtler, letting the audience’s knowledge of the character fill in the blanks that he sometimes gives us, and relishing the character’s life as a doctor, cook, and—much to his own surprise—friend. Showrunner Bryan Fuller has compared Hannibal to Frasier Crane, which helps explain why these great FBI minds don’t suspect what’s in Hannibal’s meals. (Which are, like everything on the show, gorgeous—the show is a foodie’s dream. It’s also a dream analyst’s dream, with its mind-shaking visuals and Lynchian strangeness.) Mikkelsen has rescued Lecter from the hamminess of Anthony Hopkins’ post-Silence performances, proving that it is possible to consume larger servings of the man without ruining the not-so-good doctor. It doesn’t hurt that this version of Lecter is new and fresh: He’s a practicing psychiatrist, a practicing cannibal, a prolific serial killer, and the most popular dinner party host in town. This is a Hannibal we’ve never seen before, and it’s a treat.
Naturally, Hannibal isn’t perfect. As is too often the case, the female characters are less developed than the men, with the exception of Anderson’s Du Maurier. Dr. Alana Bloom (Caroline Dhavernas) is a conflicted friend/love interest for Will, but so far the show’s writers seem more confused than the character. Dhavernas has shown she has real acting chops, so I’m optimistic that Bloom will become more vital and necessary in the new season. Tabloid writer Freddie Lounds (Lara Jean Chorostecki) is one-note, but she has shown some potential to be more. It would also be nice to see more of Jack Crawford’s wife, Phyllis, played by the terrific Gina Torres.
Male-centrism aside, Hannibal, in addition to improving on Silence and Manhunter, also has one up on most TV dramas, for a simple and refreshing reason: The ending is not in doubt. We don’t have to wonder whether Hannibal will go to jail, die, or suffer some less predictable end. We know exactly where he’s headed: Dr. Chilton’s asylum, so he can exchange pleasantries with Clarice. And we don’t have to wonder what will happen to Will either: He’s going to catch Hannibal. (There is talk that the show might eventually adapt the events of Red Dragon and even Silence, but we know how they end, too.) Without incessant finale speculation, it’s easier to enjoy every minute along the way. I wish more TV shows would find a way around finale anxiety. Hannibal dodges it completely.
And with that bullet dodged, we shouldn’t be surprised to see Thomas Harris’ ideas shine brighter on the small screen. In the post-Sopranos age, it is probably easier to successfully adapt novels—even as freely as Hannibal does—on the small screen. Their details can be more patiently unfolded over numerous episodes, rather than condensed into two hours or so. It has become a cliché to say that prestige dramas are novelistic, but it’s true: The episodes are like chapters, and there’s plenty of room for minor characters. With that in mind, it was probably just a matter of time before a TV version of Thomas Harris surpassed the cinematic creations, however good they were.
Sorry, Clarice.
Finally finished Season 2 last night, which freed me up to read all about it today, including this column, Thought this was a particularly good point:

Hannibal, in addition to improving on Silence and Manhunter, also has one up on most TV dramas, for a simple and refreshing reason: The ending is not in doubt. We don’t have to wonder whether Hannibal will go to jail, die, or suffer some less predictable end. We know exactly where he’s headed: Dr. Chilton’s asylum, so he can exchange pleasantries with Clarice. And we don’t have to wonder what will happen to Will either: He’s going to catch Hannibal. (There is talk that the show might eventually adapt the events of Red Dragon and even Silence, but we know how they end, too.) Without incessant finale speculation, it’s easier to enjoy every minute along the way. I wish more TV shows would find a way around finale anxiety. Hannibal dodges it completely.
I knew there was something different about the experience of watching this particular show (other than the obvious stuff) but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. This was it.

 
What a phenomenal finale. Easily the best drama on TV. The dialog between characters is unbelievably well written. I can't say enough good things about the finale, or the show as a whole, and cannot wait for next season.

There is one thing that bothered me about the finale though. What took the cops/ambulance so freaking long to get to Hannibal's house? There were two separate 911 calls (Alana when she first arrived and then Will when he found her by the front door). I'm guessing the two calls were about 5-7 minutes apart. Then, after Will's call, there was probably another 7-10 minutes before Hannibal disappears down the street with emergency lights in the background. Clearly Hannibal lives in town. Are we led to believe that when you receive two emergency calls about a residence minutes apart that there isn't one unit that can be there within 10 minutes of the first call?

Maybe it's just me rooting for Will. I know that the finale could only end one way. Doesn't change the fact that when I watch movies I've seen 100 times, I sometimes hope that the good guy wins just this one time. That the story would miraculously change.
 
What a phenomenal finale. Easily the best drama on TV. The dialog between characters is unbelievably well written. I can't say enough good things about the finale, or the show as a whole, and cannot wait for next season.

There is one thing that bothered me about the finale though. What took the cops/ambulance so freaking long to get to Hannibal's house? There were two separate 911 calls (Alana when she first arrived and then Will when he found her by the front door). I'm guessing the two calls were about 5-7 minutes apart. Then, after Will's call, there was probably another 7-10 minutes before Hannibal disappears down the street with emergency lights in the background. Clearly Hannibal lives in town. Are we led to believe that when you receive two emergency calls about a residence minutes apart that there isn't one unit that can be there within 10 minutes of the first call?

Maybe it's just me rooting for Will. I know that the finale could only end one way. Doesn't change the fact that when I watch movies I've seen 100 times, I sometimes hope that the good guy wins just this one time. That the story would miraculously change.
:lol: Thought the same thing. Where are they, Mayberry?

 
What a phenomenal finale. Easily the best drama on TV. The dialog between characters is unbelievably well written. I can't say enough good things about the finale, or the show as a whole, and cannot wait for next season.

There is one thing that bothered me about the finale though. What took the cops/ambulance so freaking long to get to Hannibal's house? There were two separate 911 calls (Alana when she first arrived and then Will when he found her by the front door). I'm guessing the two calls were about 5-7 minutes apart. Then, after Will's call, there was probably another 7-10 minutes before Hannibal disappears down the street with emergency lights in the background. Clearly Hannibal lives in town. Are we led to believe that when you receive two emergency calls about a residence minutes apart that there isn't one unit that can be there within 10 minutes of the first call?

Maybe it's just me rooting for Will. I know that the finale could only end one way. Doesn't change the fact that when I watch movies I've seen 100 times, I sometimes hope that the good guy wins just this one time. That the story would miraculously change.
:lol: Thought the same thing. Where are they, Mayberry?
Well, it's like Baltimore, right? I've seen The Wire, I know how it is...

 
What a phenomenal finale. Easily the best drama on TV. The dialog between characters is unbelievably well written. I can't say enough good things about the finale, or the show as a whole, and cannot wait for next season.

There is one thing that bothered me about the finale though. What took the cops/ambulance so freaking long to get to Hannibal's house? There were two separate 911 calls (Alana when she first arrived and then Will when he found her by the front door). I'm guessing the two calls were about 5-7 minutes apart. Then, after Will's call, there was probably another 7-10 minutes before Hannibal disappears down the street with emergency lights in the background. Clearly Hannibal lives in town. Are we led to believe that when you receive two emergency calls about a residence minutes apart that there isn't one unit that can be there within 10 minutes of the first call?

Maybe it's just me rooting for Will. I know that the finale could only end one way. Doesn't change the fact that when I watch movies I've seen 100 times, I sometimes hope that the good guy wins just this one time. That the story would miraculously change.
:lol: Thought the same thing. Where are they, Mayberry?
I thought about that, too. Wasn't overly troubled by it, though. The whole sequence was shot in a dreamy, cloudy style, things seemed like they were moving in slow-motion. Plausible that it all took place in only 3-4 minutes of real time.

Also ...

did Alana complete call to 911? I remember her pulling out her phone I think but I'm not sure she completed a call, or who she called.
 
What a phenomenal finale. Easily the best drama on TV. The dialog between characters is unbelievably well written. I can't say enough good things about the finale, or the show as a whole, and cannot wait for next season.

There is one thing that bothered me about the finale though. What took the cops/ambulance so freaking long to get to Hannibal's house? There were two separate 911 calls (Alana when she first arrived and then Will when he found her by the front door). I'm guessing the two calls were about 5-7 minutes apart. Then, after Will's call, there was probably another 7-10 minutes before Hannibal disappears down the street with emergency lights in the background. Clearly Hannibal lives in town. Are we led to believe that when you receive two emergency calls about a residence minutes apart that there isn't one unit that can be there within 10 minutes of the first call?

Maybe it's just me rooting for Will. I know that the finale could only end one way. Doesn't change the fact that when I watch movies I've seen 100 times, I sometimes hope that the good guy wins just this one time. That the story would miraculously change.
:lol: Thought the same thing. Where are they, Mayberry?
Well, it's like Baltimore, right? I've seen The Wire, I know how it is...
Yeah but we're talking about a wealthy white doctor here. ;)

 

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