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Wow what a brutal performance.

I can't see the Panthers going into next season with Delhomme as their QB after that brutal performance. It would be a hard sell to the fans.

Seems to me that they will be in the market now for a free agent.

 
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.

 
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Six years ago, Favre threw six picks against the Rams and Green Bay lost 45-17.Interestingly, Warner was the opposing QB in that game also. Maybe he has a higher power on his side, or something.
 
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Elway was 10 of 26 for 108 yds with 0 TDs, 2Ints, and 2 fumbles in the SB vs. the Giants...that was pretty horrific if I recall, but would need to rewatch it to truly determine if it was as putrid as Jake's performance tonight
 
NFC Championship game... 2000 season. Giants beat the Vikings 41-0. Culpepper throws for 78 yards & 3 picks.

 
I agree he made a statement tonight that it's time to go, although I think CAR fans figured as much seeing him this year.

 
Jake the Snake is done!!

Carolina is in the 2-3 year win now window though.

Who will be the savior??

 
NFC Championship game... 2000 season. Giants beat the Vikings 41-0. Culpepper throws for 78 yards & 3 picks.
Yeah that game was probably worse than Delhomme's. I remember it seeming like the Vikes had quit sometime before the end of the 1st quarter.I don't think the Favre game was quite as bad, at least his team was a giant underdog on the road against a Super Bowl team.The Elway game wasn't as bad as the final stat line, he had made several good plays to keep Denver in that game before unraveling late. Tarkenton was a little before my time, but I'm under the impression those Pittsburgh defenses in the 70's made most QB's look terrible, where as this year's Cards D made Tarvaris Jackson look like a solid starting QB as little as a month ago.
 
Jake the Snake is done!!Carolina is in the 2-3 year win now window though.
:confused: Re comparisons, Elway sucked in all but the last SB he played and even that wasn't amazing.Tarkenton's was pretty bad but keep in mind that was back in the days when passing attacks weren't nearly what they are today. QBs didn't usually pass for nearly as many yds and TD/INT ratios tended to be much worse. The fact that you could kick the **** out of WRs (legally) probably didn't help!
 
The real issue with Delhomme's game is that a lot of the turovers were in the first half with the game in doubt and not on 3rd & long. Sometimes a pick is really not much or no worse than a punt - these wern't those kind of turnovers.

 
I hear that the Panthers like Moore a lot. Would they go into next season with an "open competition" between Delhomme and Moore or would they bring in a vet?

I can't see them going with a rookie when the window seems to be now.\



Edit to add:

Worst.

Birthday.

Ever.

 
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I hear that the Panthers like Moore a lot. Would they go into next season with an "open competition" between Delhomme and Moore or would they bring in a vet?

I can't see them going with a rookie when the window seems to be now.\



Edit to add:

Worst.

Birthday.

Ever.
:droppeddelhommefrommydynastyteamearlierthisweek:
 
It almost looked like he thought his special day would provide enough karma that he didn't even have to try. Just throw the ball up and Smith will catch it and take it to the house.

Why not........ it's my birthday, nothing bad can happen.

 
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Someone will beat me to it, but Manning had some serious stinkers in Foxboro for years. Yeah, thanks Ty Law and Rodney Harrison! BOOOO!
 
He was who I thought he was.

The real question is how Carolina had the record they did this year in the regular season.

 
Half the blame must go to the coaching staff, they gave up on the run entirely after it was 17-7 in the 1st quarter...

 
He might be done and I wouldn't want him as my #1 option next year but jeez people...he had Tommy John surgery last year.

 
BusterTBronco said:
He's been bad all year. Can't see him surviving this in Carolina.
Sadly, this is pretty accurate. The running game has hidden the fact that Delhomme hasn't really played like the experienced leader he is. That piece of the puzzle should be in place for Carolina, but it isn't.
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Kerry Collins had around 100 yards, no touchdowns and four picks in the Super Bowl against the Ravens.
 
So what happens to Steve Smith's projections for the future now....Smith owners might never get a top 10 WR season now from him in the near future if they decide to go with Moore or a rookie.

 
So what happens to Steve Smith's projections for the future now....Smith owners might never get a top 10 WR season now from him in the near future if they decide to go with Moore or a rookie.
I think Smith owners have to be concerned. Delhomme's relationship with Smith is special. Not every QB (even a good one) will necessarily have that. If they bring in someone else, I don't see how that could possibly help Smith. And even if they keep Delhomme, he might have a shorter leash-- a 2-4 start in 2009 might get him pulled, for example. In dynasty, Smith is Smith and you have to put him in your lineup unless some amazing offer comes in (which I wouldn't count on). In redraft I think this adds a question mark that might cause owners to lean toward comparable receivers. Maybe he becomes "value" then but you have to accept the risk, which I think has grown just a bit. I didn't see any "rally around Jake" post-game comments from anyone. If a guy like Rivers puts up a huge dud Sunday I think the team will stick up for him. I didn't hear that from the Panthers, so maybe they see him as a weak spot and will keep their eye open in free agency.
 
Onions said:
Raider Nation said:
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Six years ago, Favre threw six picks against the Rams and Green Bay lost 45-17.Interestingly, Warner was the opposing QB in that game also. Maybe he has a higher power on his side, or something.
The Higher Power.
LOL...that was my first thought. Brenda Warner is one of a kind.....
 
Morton Muffley said:
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Elway was 10 of 26 for 108 yds with 0 TDs, 2Ints, and 2 fumbles in the SB vs. the Giants...that was pretty horrific if I recall, but would need to rewatch it to truly determine if it was as putrid as Jake's performance tonight
:lmao: Elway had over 300 yards in that game.
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Yep, I can't remember a worse performance. MAN that was horrible.. and in front of your own fans!Overall he didn't look good all season. I agree that I think he's just about done, as a starter at least. I cansee them in the FA market this offseason or drafting a QB. Now whether they still try and go with Delhommenext year and bring along a rookie QB, who knows? But with recent success of Ryan and Flacco may havethem saying "Screw it!" and throwing the rookie to the wolves, for the sake of NOT having Delhomme in there...
 
Da Guru said:
Jake the Snake is done!!

Carolina is in the 2-3 year win now window though.

Who will be the savior??
I thought Moore looked decent in limited action last year? At this point I don't think he could be worse than Jake.
Half the blame must go to the coaching staff, they gave up on the run entirely after it was 17-7 in the 1st quarter...
Yeah the play calling did seem pretty bad after the first quarter. But they do deserve some slack when your QB ends every possession with a pick, hard to get into an offensive rhythm. Way too many deep throws by Jake that I don't think the coaching staff intended for him to throw into double & triple coverage. No shame in checking down Jake!!
 
Morton Muffley said:
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Elway was 10 of 26 for 108 yds with 0 TDs, 2Ints, and 2 fumbles in the SB vs. the Giants...that was pretty horrific if I recall, but would need to rewatch it to truly determine if it was as putrid as Jake's performance tonight
:lmao: Elway had over 300 yards in that game.
my bad...Elway's SB game stats I posted were from the 55-10 drubbing at the hands of SF (not NYG as I originally suggested)
 
Morton Muffley said:
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Elway was 10 of 26 for 108 yds with 0 TDs, 2Ints, and 2 fumbles in the SB vs. the Giants...that was pretty horrific if I recall, but would need to rewatch it to truly determine if it was as putrid as Jake's performance tonight
:lmao: Elway had over 300 yards in that game.
my bad...Elway's SB game stats I posted were from the 55-10 drubbing at the hands of SF (not NYG as I originally suggested)
Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification.
 
BusterTBronco said:
He's been bad all year.
That is just not true, but it is futile debating it. At any rate, here is what the Panthers are saying:
"I feel bad for Jake," said wide receiver Steve Smith, who was on the receiving end of Delhomme's only touchdown pass. "You come so close, and you look at the opportunities we could have had and the what if's."But this opportunity might not have happened at all without Delhomme's successful recovery from elbow surgery, a story that helped define a campaign that saw the Panthers post their best regular-season win total in a dozen years."Jake's won a lot of games for us this year," wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad said. "Of course, today didn't go the way he wanted it to. It didn't go the way a lot of us wanted it to."I think that he's a winner. He's a leader and he's one of us."His head coach concurred."Jake had a great year for us," John Fox said. "I told those guys to talk out of here with your head held high, just like I will. It's not where we wanted to end up, but it's reality."I think Jake is a hell of a quarterback who had a rough night."All six of the Panthers' turnovers came out of Delhomme's hands -- five interceptions and a first-quarter fumble -- and led to 23 of Arizona's points."I'm at a loss for words," Delhomme said. "For one reason or another, I didn't give us a chance tonight. It's disappointing. I don't know what else to say."I should get the blame (for the loss). It's inexcusable."But Delhomme's teammates stepped forward to accept responsibility."Really, you can point a finger at anybody you want to in any group," defensive end Julius Peppers said. "You can point it at the secondary. You can point it at the (defensive) line; you can point it at the (offensive) line, Jake, the running backs, take your pick."It's not one person or one group's fault. We've just got to play better. We just didn't play well today at all -- anybody."
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Ditto, change 20 to 40 years. During which I can probably count the number of NFL playoff games that I didn't see on my 10 fingers. Brutual
 
I kept thinking as I watched the game that I would not be shocked to see Kurt Warner as a Panther next year.

 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Ditto, change 20 to 40 years. During which I can probably count the number of NFL playoff games that I didn't see on my 10 fingers. Brutual
you may be right, but Kerry Collins' 15 of 39 for 112 yds with 0 TDs, 4 Ints SB performance against Baltimore was pretty bad...but that was a world-class defense so that needs to be taken into account. What jake did against at home against a mediocre (at best) defense was pretty bad.And those of us who have watched him all year knew he had this kind of stinker in him. he's been protected by a fantastic running game, a great WR who makes his stats look far better than his actual performance, and a coach who's conservative nature concealed many of jake's failings.

 
BusterTBronco said:
He's been bad all year.
That is just not true, but it is futile debating it. At any rate, here is what the Panthers are saying:
"I feel bad for Jake," said wide receiver Steve Smith, who was on the receiving end of Delhomme's only touchdown pass. "You come so close, and you look at the opportunities we could have had and the what if's."But this opportunity might not have happened at all without Delhomme's successful recovery from elbow surgery, a story that helped define a campaign that saw the Panthers post their best regular-season win total in a dozen years."Jake's won a lot of games for us this year," wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad said. "Of course, today didn't go the way he wanted it to. It didn't go the way a lot of us wanted it to."I think that he's a winner. He's a leader and he's one of us."His head coach concurred."Jake had a great year for us," John Fox said. "I told those guys to talk out of here with your head held high, just like I will. It's not where we wanted to end up, but it's reality."I think Jake is a hell of a quarterback who had a rough night."All six of the Panthers' turnovers came out of Delhomme's hands -- five interceptions and a first-quarter fumble -- and led to 23 of Arizona's points."I'm at a loss for words," Delhomme said. "For one reason or another, I didn't give us a chance tonight. It's disappointing. I don't know what else to say."I should get the blame (for the loss). It's inexcusable."But Delhomme's teammates stepped forward to accept responsibility."Really, you can point a finger at anybody you want to in any group," defensive end Julius Peppers said. "You can point it at the secondary. You can point it at the (defensive) line; you can point it at the (offensive) line, Jake, the running backs, take your pick."It's not one person or one group's fault. We've just got to play better. We just didn't play well today at all -- anybody."
Hadn't seen any of this, his teammates stepping up to defend him. Maybe they're just going to stick with him after all. I thought their silence was maybe saying something, but I just missed these quotes. Thanks.
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
I can:Dan Marino WildCard game vs. NE in 1997Dolphins lose 17-3Marino goes 17 - 43 for 141 yards and 2 picks, one returned for a TD.or Marino vs. Jax in 2000Dolphins get killed 62-7, Marino goes 11-25 for 95 yards and two picks....and gets pulled so his stats don't look bad.
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
:goodposting: It was about as bad as one could imagine. Statistically, there have been some similarly horrendous performances, but it has been a while since I've seen a QB make such horrendous throws and look so lost in a playoff game.
 
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travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
:goodposting: It was about as bad as one could imagine. Statistically, there have been some similarly horrendous performances, but it has been a while since I've seen a QB make such horrendous throws and look so lost in a playoff game.
I agree. You can pull out anyone's bad stats, but it only tells part of the story. Sometimes a team (and its QB) just get rolled, and the result is crappy stats. Other times, like last night, the crappy stats are the result of crappy play.
 
Hadn't seen any of this, his teammates stepping up to defend him. Maybe they're just going to stick with him after all. I thought their silence was maybe saying something, but I just missed these quotes. Thanks.
Not his teammates he has to worry about. It's the fans. IF the Panthers don't address QB in one way or another and go into next season with Delhomme as their starter the fan base will become very restless.
 
BusterTBronco said:
He's been bad all year.
That is just not true, but it is futile debating it. At any rate, here is what the Panthers are saying:
"I feel bad for Jake," said wide receiver Steve Smith, who was on the receiving end of Delhomme's only touchdown pass. "You come so close, and you look at the opportunities we could have had and the what if's."But this opportunity might not have happened at all without Delhomme's successful recovery from elbow surgery, a story that helped define a campaign that saw the Panthers post their best regular-season win total in a dozen years."Jake's won a lot of games for us this year," wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad said. "Of course, today didn't go the way he wanted it to. It didn't go the way a lot of us wanted it to."I think that he's a winner. He's a leader and he's one of us."His head coach concurred."Jake had a great year for us," John Fox said. "I told those guys to talk out of here with your head held high, just like I will. It's not where we wanted to end up, but it's reality."I think Jake is a hell of a quarterback who had a rough night."All six of the Panthers' turnovers came out of Delhomme's hands -- five interceptions and a first-quarter fumble -- and led to 23 of Arizona's points."I'm at a loss for words," Delhomme said. "For one reason or another, I didn't give us a chance tonight. It's disappointing. I don't know what else to say."I should get the blame (for the loss). It's inexcusable."But Delhomme's teammates stepped forward to accept responsibility."Really, you can point a finger at anybody you want to in any group," defensive end Julius Peppers said. "You can point it at the secondary. You can point it at the (defensive) line; you can point it at the (offensive) line, Jake, the running backs, take your pick."It's not one person or one group's fault. We've just got to play better. We just didn't play well today at all -- anybody."
Hadn't seen any of this, his teammates stepping up to defend him. Maybe they're just going to stick with him after all. I thought their silence was maybe saying something, but I just missed these quotes. Thanks.
Good team and good organization that's sticking together and not pointing fingers after a terrible performance.Good leader in Delhomme taking all the blame for the loss.None of that changes the fact that at 34 years old and a rebuilt throwing arm Jake may be a liability at the QB position going forward.
 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
:rolleyes: It was about as bad as one could imagine. Statistically, there have been some similarly horrendous performances, but it has been a while since I've seen a QB make such horrendous throws and look so lost in a playoff game.
Thank you. Forget the stats and the picks. He was horrible the whole night. His throws and decision making were horrendous. The 4th and 4 failure was obviously his fault. Moose runs a quick slant and is open and Jake sails it to a quick out. Moose's face said it all. He ran the right route, Jake just throw to the wrong route. Jake is a class guy and a veteran, but I'm surprised that no one is asking whether he was out late Friday night celebrating his birthday early or something. He just made the wrong decisions and throws all night long.
 
Jake Delhomme's performance was Neil O'Donnell like. I just hope that he wasn't throwing the game. Somebody check his finances. Make sure he doesn't have any major debts that need paying.

 
travdogg said:
I've been watching football for about 20 years and I can't remember a QB ever playing this poorly in the playoffs.
Yep, I can't remember a worse performance.
I've never seen a worse performance by a player. A QB committing 6 turnovers is usually enough to lose 2 playoff games, and Delhomme did it in one game. He single-handedly destroyed any hope the Panthers had of winning the game.
 
Half the blame must go to the coaching staff, they gave up on the run entirely after it was 17-7 in the 1st quarter...
:goodposting: There was also a point late in the game that I knew he was going to throw a pick...and he did. John Fox should have benched him. I know about the politics of the game and you don't bench the starting QB, but it should've been done.

But as kevjones22 said, they should have stuck with their bread and butter this year and run the ball.

 

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