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What's a "Third-Way Democrat"? Just someone who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative?
You should read the Al Franken campaign book. It's actually quite good. (It's fictional, though, from before he ever ran a campaign.)
The average America is going to remember her from 8 years prior running against Obama or more likely when she was Bill's wife. If she's aged too much, that won't be good.
We'll see. Not too many fat male presidents since the TV era began. Most have been better looking than the average male their aged.
Awful lot of them fit that description by their own words and deeds. When will the republicans run a centrist candidate? Where are the guys I could disagree with but respect? Like HW, Bob Dole, hell Ike for that matter? What happened to those Republicans? Their kind was pushed out for #######s like Ted Cruz.
You know I love ya, brother, but "centrist" to you is not centrist to too many people. Particularly Republicans.
I think both McCain and Romney should have fit naturally into that category. But for whatever reason, they swerved far to the right, during their presidential campaigns, of where they'd spent most of their political careers before that.
I think you would be surprised what I consider centrist. Just because I am a big L tree hugging, union loving, liberal doesn't mean i can't see value in centrist positions. I would posit that politics have moved so far to the right in this country that I am not the one with the wrong headed view of what a centrists is or was actually.
In which case I think you're looking for more of a compromising candidate than true centrist one.
I think left to his own devices Romney would be more center right than right. But the atmosphere in the party right now doesn't allow it.
Not at all.
Say what you want, but if you think Hill would be doing nothing it's hard to understand how you'd come to that conclusion. God I hate this countries partisan ways. Have to listen to this crap on FBG and then get ten ranting Liberal Facebook posts that are just as bad from the opposite direction.
How about their last two nominees? Certainly more centrist than "extreme far right mouth breathing" yada, yada that you guys like to portray.
I've noticed that democrats like to call raising taxes a "hard choice" in their rhetoric when its actually an easy choice for them. Likewise, if that's the title of her book, I'm guessing all "hard choices" were actually easy choices but she wants to make them look like hard choices to appear more moderate for the 2016 election.timschochet said:
What did she accomplish as SOS? Maybe I missed it.
You really think Mitt and McCain ran centrist campaigns? That puts you in a decided minority. I believe left to his own devices in another era Mitt would have been a business wing centrist. i wouldn't agree with his tax policy probably but he wouldn't have been all over the culture wars. He would have been another HW. You know the guy that's a RINO now.
Apparently he and his advisers didn't think so. I mean anytime he went at all toward the middle there was an outcry of "can we trust Romney?".
I claimed they are troglodytes and deniers of facts and freedom / equality. Not freaks. Though some may certainly fit the bill.
I really think they are more centrist candidates than they are nut job monsters, yes. You disagree?
McCain was a POW, but I don't think he actually lived in a cave, nor is he a monster. Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night though.
I'm familiar with the concept. I just reject it, that's all.
Are you trying to strain what credibility you have by ignoring the fact that you said freaks, not I?
If you choose it to be. Does it make things less convenient that some of is don't for into neat little boxes on the left or right? Or that some of us hold hybrid views ie govt should have a roll in certain social services but the private sector is far better attuned to actually do the work? Or that we believe in rights - you know, all of them? From responsible gun ownership to marrying whom you want?
A libertarian by definition doesn't fit neatly into the left-right paradigm. That's why it's odd that you would then modify it by including yourself right back into the "left" box.
Could anything be more obvious?
Sure, but getting a Congress that will work with the President is going to be close to impossible.
So they were for lunch counters being forced by government to allow certain kinds of customers, that presumably some of them didn't want, to use their business under force of law but they are against government dictating to private businesses who should be allowed into their business?
I think it's apparent that some libertarians lean more left and others lean more right.
I don't understand that sentence.
Left leaning on social issues especially. Sorta all over the place fiscally - theoretically I believe govt should stay out as much as possible and where it must play a role, have the services provided by the private sector. But I also recognize that governing, especially on a local level, requires a business acumen and at times the govt may need to play a more direct role to spur investment or better an area's safety or competitiveness.
Hard to take that response as anything more than an admission that you are either fishing or have nothing legitimate to add here. That's your choice and we can only come to the conclusions as to your perspective (or lack thereof), accordingly
You are saying they are for what you also said they are against. Either they are for government using the law to force private businesses to accommodate people or they aren't. Rand Paul would say you are wrong I think. He says the libertarian position is the market would solve it.
I don't know what "focus on" means. In your first example, what does the "lean left" person believe about fiscal issues? If they are libertarian on fiscal issues, it doesn't matter what they focus on, they are a libertarian with no modifier needed. If they aren't libertarian on fiscal issues, then they are not a "lean left" libertarian, they are probably just "left".
