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Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (1 Viewer)

proninja said:
McGarnicle said:
So he rushed back and now seems to have had a significant setback. Original outlook to return was week 13-14, right? What a mess.
Wow, what a complete and total surprise.
Well kinda, given his performance two weeks ago. I guess you know more about these things than Dr. Jene. Congrats, they should give you a job on staff here.
Nope, I just know Percy.
How long have you known him?
I heard since 5th grade
 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

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This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.

 
People thinking Percy will play in the regular season is in denial or never owned Harvin. He's not a fast healer and he doesn't like to play hurt. Don't kid yourselves.
Crow.
But....we is in denial.
Crow, huh?
I'm not in the habit of agreeing with ITS. On anything.

But it is still the regular season, technically...
And now?
My prediction is he'll return next week and he'll be a stud for the playoffs, NOT!!!

Clowns never owned Harvin talking trash. This is the same guy that was day to day for two months from an ankle sprain...

 
proninja said:
McGarnicle said:
So he rushed back and now seems to have had a significant setback. Original outlook to return was week 13-14, right? What a mess.
Wow, what a complete and total surprise.
Well kinda, given his performance two weeks ago. I guess you know more about these things than Dr. Jene. Congrats, they should give you a job on staff here.
Nope, I just know Percy.
How long have you known him?
Achilles tendinitis, knee tendinitis, a hip flexor, hamstring and quad pulls and torn hip labrum.

NFL injury reports listed Harvin as “questionable” for seven games during his rookie season of 2009, when he dealt with migraine headaches and a sore shoulder.

In 2010, he was a “questionable” four times and a “probable” another three. Ailments involved a hip, a hamstring, an ankle, and the headaches.

The trend continued in 2011: Four “questionable” and three “probable” for the headaches, ribs and a finger.

Harvin’s health issues last season were limited to a slightly tweaked hamstring and a severely sprained ankle, which sidelined him for the final seven games.

Now a hip injury that needed surgery and may cost him the entire season.
 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
As of right now they are 5-0 at home and 5-1 on the road. You can keep on the "they suck on the road" bit but it isn't true. Besides, they lost the Atlanta game last year because of a complete breakdown on defense, not because of the HFA.

To top if off, I don't believe they *need* Harvin to beat the Saints. I'm pretty sure they beat them without him actually.

 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
As of right now they are 5-0 at home and 5-1 on the road. You can keep on the "they suck on the road" bit but it isn't true. Besides, they lost the Atlanta game last year because of a complete breakdown on defense, not because of the HFA.

To top if off, I don't believe they *need* Harvin to beat the Saints. I'm pretty sure they beat them without him actually.
You feel as confident @ the Superdome in the NFC title game?
 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
As of right now they are 5-0 at home and 5-1 on the road. You can keep on the "they suck on the road" bit but it isn't true. Besides, they lost the Atlanta game last year because of a complete breakdown on defense, not because of the HFA.

To top if off, I don't believe they *need* Harvin to beat the Saints. I'm pretty sure they beat them without him actually.
You feel as confident @ the Superdome in the NFC title game?
Well, being that I don't think the Saints will have HFA it doesn't really matter much. But I'm not concerned with any game played anywhere for Seattle. They play good either way.

 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
He's technically not out yet. Carroll said the decision wouldn't be made until tomorrow. Until he's officially ruled out, I have no idea whether he'll play or not.

 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
Surprising amount of comparative logic in these last two responses given the polarized black and white emotional responses here. And I think both are right.

 
Starting to have an early on Bo Jackson feel to it.
I am starting to think this too. He was injury prone before Seattle, now he will never waste a spot on any team of mine again regardless of hype or production.

A migraine, sprained ankle, hamstring or his hip will have issues sometime again soon. Not worth the risk regardless of his shot at production.

 
SEA - WR Percy Harvin unlikely to play

Source: ESPN.com - Terry Blount

Updating a previous report, Seattle Seahawks WR Percy Harvin (hip) likely will not play Week 13 because of soreness in his hip. Head coach Pete Carroll said there is nothing structurally wrong with Harvin's hip, but the team wants to be careful with Harvin.

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ FOOTBALLGUYS VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

This is frustrating for Harvin owners but the team clearly wants to be careful with him.
Seems like a load of horse#### to me. A game that probably determines home field in the playoffs and they sit Harvin because of some soreness? There is something more significant happening.
If you had to choose: Harvin back for the Saints game or Harvin back for a playoff game which would you take?

This isn't some sort of cover up conspiracy to ruin your fantasy season. The guy had surgery and they are being careful.
Given how things ended last season, they know what's at stake tomorrow night. They're a different team at home, odds-on favorite to go to the SB if they clinch the first seed. Being cautious is great, I'm saying he probably plays tomorrow if this was merely some soreness. I think he's significantly limited and/or in significant pain.
As of right now they are 5-0 at home and 5-1 on the road. You can keep on the "they suck on the road" bit but it isn't true. Besides, they lost the Atlanta game last year because of a complete breakdown on defense, not because of the HFA.

To top if off, I don't believe they *need* Harvin to beat the Saints. I'm pretty sure they beat them without him actually.
This is really not the point - this is a big game. The Hawks obviously ramped up Harvin for this week. They want him out there, because they think he helps in a big way (not because they think they "need" as if they can't win without him). That's why they got him. And I'm sure Harvin thinks the same way.

I agree with the point that if it was at all manageable he would be out there, yes some games are bigger than others - this is unquestionably a big game, almost a playoff game.

Point being (let's leave Hawks out of this) there is something significant under the surface here.

On Harvin, if he's even basically all right, I think owners are back to seeing to see if he plays, then see how he does, then see if they want to start him. Could be week 14 he plays, wait and see, if he gets snaps and does ok, then start week 15. Or push it back a week if he's not ready. Does anyone really think he plays next week? And are people going to start him the first time week 16? See week 12 for how that worked.

 
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ImTheScientist said:
JuniorNB said:
Starting to have an early on Bo Jackson feel to it.
You are to young to remember that.... they are two different injuries.
When Bo Jackson first hurt his hip, he has surgery and rehabbed in an attempt to resume his football and baseball careers. It wasn't until his rehab wasn't improving his hip enough for him to play that his genetic disorder was discovered.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is really not the point - this is a big game. The Hawks obviously ramped up Harvin for this week. They want him out there, because they think he helps in a big way (not because they think they "need" as if they can't win without him). That's why they got him. And I'm sure Harvin thinks the same way.

I agree with the point that if it was at all manageable he would be out there, yes some games are bigger than others - this is unquestionably a big game, almost a playoff game.

Point being (let's leave Hawks out of this) there is something significant under the surface here.

On Harvin, if he's even basically all right, I think owners are back to seeing to see if he plays, then see how he does, then see if they want to start him. Could be week 14 he plays, wait and see, if he gets snaps and does ok, then start week 15. Or push it back a week if he's not ready. Does anyone really think he plays next week? And are people going to start him the first time week 16? See week 12 for how that worked.
:goodposting: If this was simply a case of being cautious, why not put him on a snap count again? If you're down a score in the second half, roll him out for a series or two, or if the game is in hand, let him rest. Have that extra weapon available in your arsenal.

If he was able to play two weeks ago, had a week to rest and is now doubtful, something not good happened in the interim. I would guarantee the mindset is NOT "we can beat the Saints without Harvin". You don't take anything for granted in the NFL.

 
A source tells FOX Sports that Percy Harvin had to have a cortisone injection in his surgically repaired hip over the weekend.
Harvin is extremely doubtful for Monday night's game against the Saints. This is the second time his hip issue has flared up since returning to practice -- the first time he needed it drained. Lingering issues related to a surgery that took place back in July are certainly a red flag as we head into the fantasy playoffs. Even if Harvin is able to gut it out in Week 14, he'll likely be on a snap count.
 
ImTheScientist said:
What a waste holding this guy on my roster for the last 6 weeks
If you aren't in the playoffs it certainly is. Better luck next year.
I don't see how anyone will be able to plug Harvin in at this point. There is a laundry list of guys I'd rather roll out who could have been picked up in the last couple of weeks. Harvin probably won't be fantasy relevant, but he may still make an impact in the NFL playoffs. Then again, you have to at least recognize the possibility that there are complications and he won't be able to be a difference maker even then.

 
ImTheScientist said:
What a waste holding this guy on my roster for the last 6 weeks
If you aren't in the playoffs it certainly is. Better luck next year.
I don't see how anyone will be able to plug Harvin in at this point. There is a laundry list of guys I'd rather roll out who could have been picked up in the last couple of weeks. Harvin probably won't be fantasy relevant, but he may still make an impact in the NFL playoffs. Then again, you have to at least recognize the possibility that there are complications and he won't be able to be a difference maker even then.
I've got Harvin and Doug Baldwin as my only backups and no money left for free agents. If a starting WR goes down and Harvin is miraculously cleared to play with no restrictions in week 15 or 16, I'd absolutely roll him out there for the upside. Realistically though, Baldwin is my only backup WR.
 
I don't need Harvin (he'd be my WR4 if healthy) but at this point I'm thinking about cutting bait just to avoid the frustration. I think the best you can hope for now is to use him in Weeks 15-16 (and 17 if you play the entire season) but at this point it's difficult to have any confidence he'll be ready for then.

 
I have him and am absolutely holding onto him. If he comes back next week and gets through the game, I will roll him out in the playoffs in week 15/16. He might not, but the upside certainly is there where it's worth the shot instead of adding someone like Marlon Brown or Greg Jennings off waivers

 
I have him and am absolutely holding onto him. If he comes back next week and gets through the game, I will roll him out in the playoffs in week 15/16. He might not, but the upside certainly is there where it's worth the shot instead of adding someone like Marlon Brown or Greg Jennings off waivers
I wouldn't drop him for someone like that either. However, in my league Roddy White was dropped last week and he gets the Packers this week. I think someone like that becomes much more difficult to pass on for Harvin at this point.

 
I have him and am absolutely holding onto him. If he comes back next week and gets through the game, I will roll him out in the playoffs in week 15/16. He might not, but the upside certainly is there where it's worth the shot instead of adding someone like Marlon Brown or Greg Jennings off waivers
I wouldn't drop him for someone like that either. However, in my league Roddy White was dropped last week and he gets the Packers this week. I think someone like that becomes much more difficult to pass on for Harvin at this point.
absolutely, go get Roddy. I'd still try and keep Harvin on my bench just due to his upside. I'd rather drop someone else who is just there for depth than Harvin

 
Rotoworld take:

According to the NFL Network, Percy Harvin (hip) views himself as "out" for Monday night's game against the Saints.

The Seahawks are coming out of a bye and in a crucial matchup that could decide home-field advantage in the NFC playoffs. Harvin's inability to play in this game speaks volumes. He's more than four months removed from hip surgery, but had to get a cortisone injection over the weekend and has had other complications during his comeback -- despite playing limited snaps in just one game. If fantasy owners get any help from Harvin over the next few weeks, it should be viewed as a bonus.
 
If the Seahawks win I'm 100% dropping harvin for more depth. Just imagine how conservative they will be with him now if he even plays before week 17. If he doesn't play next week against the niners than I don't predict seeing him till week 17 against the rams with an "eased in" role

 
ImTheScientist said:
JuniorNB said:
Starting to have an early on Bo Jackson feel to it.
You are to young to remember that.... they are two different injuries.
When Bo Jackson first hurt his hip, he has surgery and rehabbed in an attempt to resume his football and baseball careers. It wasn't until his rehab wasn't improving his hip enough for him to play that his genetic disorder was discovered.
This is so inaccurate it's comical.
 
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Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Seahawks could hold Percy Harvin (hip) out for the rest of the regular season in order for him to be ready for the playoffs.
The team is waiting to see how Harvin responds to this past weekend's cortisone injection. Seattle brass will reportedly meet Tuesday to make a decision. Harvin returned to play in one game after missing about four months as he recovered from hip surgery. It sounds like there's a real possibility Harvin may not play another down until the postseason; the Seahawks can clinch a playoff berth with a victory Monday night over the Saints. Harvin is inactive for the NFC showdown. We'll have another update on Harvin Tuesday. Owners that have been stashing Harvin can only hope for the best, but it appears it's going to be a lost year.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Speaking Tuesday, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll confirmed that Percy Harvin (hip) "had a little procedure last week," but said he's expected to "pop out of this thing real quick."

According to Carroll, "nothing was re-injured," and Harvin "just took a while to bounce back from (his Week 12) workload." Harvin's "little procedure" is believed to have been a cortisone injection. Carroll expects Harvin to "see some work" on Thursday, but made no other mention of his Week 14 status. Harvin almost certainly won't play, and could easily miss the rest of the regular season. Harvin's status will be updated later this week, but if you're hurting for a roster spot, he's a calculated risk of a drop that's unlikely to come back to haunt you.


Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter
 
I need some depth at wide receiver and am giving thought to dropping Harvin this week.

Any other Harvin owners cut bait recently? I drafted him in the last round and have hung on all year, so I am a little reluctant to drop him.....but, it's the playoffs and I need some help elsewhere.

 
I need some depth at wide receiver and am giving thought to dropping Harvin this week.

Any other Harvin owners cut bait recently? I drafted him in the last round and have hung on all year, so I am a little reluctant to drop him.....but, it's the playoffs and I need some help elsewhere.
I'm gonna try and drop him. WW is painfully thin so there isn't much out there so I might not be able to drop him this week but that's the plan. Here's how I'm looking at his situation:

Week 14: Can't see how he plays. If he does he'll likely be limited again so you can't start him.

Week 15: Best-case scenario for him to play. But if he doesn't play in Week 14 he may be limited here so he'll be a huge fantasy risk.

Week 16: Same scenario as Week 15. Unless he's played a full game already you can't trust him to play a full game here.

Week 17: If your season lasts this long he probably won't play since Seahawks should have No. 1 seed in NFC wrapped up by then.

If everything goes well maybe you can play him in Week 16. Maybe. Is it really worth holding onto him at this point for possibly one game? Two at most? Just looks like a wasted regular season for Harvin at this point.

 
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I agree that week 16 is the only week he could break into my lineup. IF I am still alive this will be the Super Bowl in my league. If I am reluctant to pull the trigger on dumping Harvin, it is really only for a week 16 start. And to be honest, if he plays and produces then it would have made it worth the pain of keeping him all year.

I think the reality is that week 16 is no sure thing that he plays, especially with the Hawks opening up the distance between themselves and a #2 seed in the NFC.

Here is a cut and paste from Rotoworld about Harvin;

Speaking Tuesday, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll confirmed that Percy Harvin (hip) "had a little procedure last week," but said he's expected to "pop out of this thing real quick."
According to Carroll, "nothing was re-injured," and Harvin "just took a while to bounce back from (his Week 12) workload." Harvin's "little procedure" is believed to have been a cortisone injection. Carroll expects Harvin to "see some work" on Thursday, but made no other mention of his Week 14 status. Harvin almost certainly won't play, and could easily miss the rest of the regular season. Harvin's status will be updated later this week, but if you're hurting for a roster spot, he's a calculated risk of a drop that's unlikely to come back to haunt you.
 
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I'm only holding him because I don't have any WW money left.
We have $0 bids in our league but there's a transaction fee attached. I'm just tired of the headache at this point and there's been nothing the last few days which strongly indicates he's going to play anytime soon. Everything is trending in the opposite direction. Per my league rules I have to pay a transaction fee every week to replace Harvin so if I do it now and get someone I like I can just move on and be done with this. Sucks because I really like Harvin a lot and think he could be a stud with Seattle.

If you hold him and he plays in Week 16 and gets it done I agree it could all have been worth it in the long run. I'm just not sure at this point whether he even will play then or at all during the regular season. At least not enough to make him fantasy worthy.

 
I have a solid group of 3 WRs in a 2WR, 1 Flex league. I'm not going to drop him just to drop him, but if I have a need elsewhere, he's first cut. Just don't see a spot where I'm starting him over a Keenan Allen or Desean Jackson in the next 3 weeks.

 

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