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Has Bill Polian lost his touch? (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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2010 - Jerry Hughes (1st round) - 6 tackles, 0 sacks, no forced fumbles. Did you see that whiff on Cromartie? You would think for 12 million dollars he would start out as good and get better, not start out terrible and become ok to good.

2009 - Donald Brown (1st round) - No vision and hasn't shown that much talent. He's more like a 4th round pick, not a 1st round talent.

2008 - Mike Pallak (2nd round) - Average at best

2008 - Phillip Wheeler (3rd round) - yawn

2007 - Anthony Gonzalez (1st round) - Always injured and probably gets cut this off-season

2007 - Tony Ugoh (2nd round) - Total bust and no longer on the team

2007 - Daymeion (Dante) Hughes (3rd round) - Plays for SD

2006 - Joesph Addai (1st round) - Servicable decent RB, but not great

2006 - Tim Jennings (2nd round) - Now with the Bears

Yes, it looks like Mr. Bill has lost his edge and another 1st rd bust in 2011 and Jim Irsay might show him the door.

 
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2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.

2009 was an ok draft in my opinion. Brown looks like a miss, and Moala looks mediocre, but Collie looks like a stud if he can stay healthy, and Powers is a very good CB. What's wrong with 2 impact players in a draft, especially when you pick at the end of it?

2008 has some good but not great picks. Pollak is ok, Tamme has been a nice surprise, and Garcon has been a huge steal.

2007 kinda stinks for the most part, Session is really the only good pick in the bunch, though I think if Gonzalez could have stayed healthy, he'd be a very good WR.

2006 wasn't bad at all, Addai has been solid, if unspectacular, Bethea is one of the better safeties in the NFL, and Charlie Johnson(while overmatched as a starting LT) was an excellent value for a 6th rounder.

In summary, I think you may be overrating the importance of his 1st round misses, the value he's found later in drafts is far more important, especially since many of those players have performed at a 1st round level.

If Polian were to be fired, there would be 20+ teams trying to hire him immediately.

 
2010 - Jerry Hughes (1st round) - 6 tackles, 0 sacks, no forced fumbles. Did you see that whiff on Cromartie? You would think for 12 million dollars he would start out as good and get better, not start out terrible and become ok to good.2009 - Donald Brown (1st round) - No vision and hasn't shown that much talent. He's more like a 4th round pick, not a 1st round talent.2008 - Mike Pallak (2nd round) - Average at best2008 - Phillip Wheeler (3rd round) - yawn2007 - Anthony Gonzalez (1st round) - Always injured and probably gets cut this off-season2007 - Tony Ugoh (2nd round) - Total bust and no longer on the team2007 - Daymeion (Dante) Hughes (3rd round) - Plays for SD2006 - Joesph Addai (1st round) - Servicable decent RB, but not great2006 - Tim Jennings (2nd round) - Now with the BearsYes, it looks like Mr. Bill has lost his edge and another 1st rd bust in 2011 and Jim Irsay might show him the door.
Everyone has bad picks. But clearly they have not had good drafts recently.The talent on the Colts is average. You have some aging stars but not a whole lot behind them. The Pats are always reloading. The Colts are trying but the new talent they are bringing in just isn't working. They need a few really really good drafts otherwise their window is going to close very quickly.
 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.2009 was an ok draft in my opinion. Brown looks like a miss, and Moala looks mediocre, but Collie looks like a stud if he can stay healthy, and Powers is a very good CB. What's wrong with 2 impact players in a draft, especially when you pick at the end of it?2008 has some good but not great picks. Pollak is ok, Tamme has been a nice surprise, and Garcon has been a huge steal.2007 kinda stinks for the most part, Session is really the only good pick in the bunch, though I think if Gonzalez could have stayed healthy, he'd be a very good WR.2006 wasn't bad at all, Addai has been solid, if unspectacular, Bethea is one of the better safeties in the NFL, and Charlie Johnson(while overmatched as a starting LT) was an excellent value for a 6th rounder.In summary, I think you may be overrating the importance of his 1st round misses, the value he's found later in drafts is far more important, especially since many of those players have performed at a 1st round level.If Polian were to be fired, there would be 20+ teams trying to hire him immediately.
Having terrible early round picks year in and year out will eventually ruin your team, I don't give a damn how good you draft later in the draft.
 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
 
Addai has proven to be an excellent pick for the Colts, despite my hatred for that pick at the time. He's an excellent blocker and a very good receiver. Something the Colts O has been relying on for a few seasons now. Look at their struggles this year when he was hurt. Don't under-estimate the value he has brought to this team.

But overall, I tend to agree that the Colts have been less than stellar these past few seasons in the draft.

 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
The Hughes pick looks awful because he doesn't play. Obviously he's not going to start for Indy because of the guys they have, but he's barely seen the field even in a rotation, and Mathis and Freeney come off the field quite a bit. While we may never know, I kinda think Hughes would have been a better fit as a rush LB in a 3-4. One weakness Polian has is how much value he places on character, they'd have been a lot better off taking Carlos Dunlap there.Angerer hasn't looked good to me. He's a decent tackler, but he's also a trainwreck in coverage. He's not a very good athlete either so there really isn't a ton of upside with him. He looks like a backup LB to me, and that's fine for a 5th rounder, but not a 2nd rounder. Maybe he'd be better playing the middle, but that's not happening as long as Brackett is there.
 
never seen a player fade faster than Ugoh. every commentator gushed about this guy his rookie year........then they moved him to guard, then to swing, then injured(obviously not devastating) and waived the following week.

 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
Angerer hasn't looked good to me. He's a decent tackler, but he's also a trainwreck in coverage. He's not a very good athlete either so there really isn't a ton of upside with him. He looks like a backup LB to me, and that's fine for a 5th rounder, but not a 2nd rounder. Maybe he'd be better playing the middle, but that's not happening as long as Brackett is there.
You obviously have no idea how to evaluate talent at LB.
 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
Angerer hasn't looked good to me. He's a decent tackler, but he's also a trainwreck in coverage. He's not a very good athlete either so there really isn't a ton of upside with him. He looks like a backup LB to me, and that's fine for a 5th rounder, but not a 2nd rounder. Maybe he'd be better playing the middle, but that's not happening as long as Brackett is there.
You obviously have no idea how to evaluate talent at LB.
Actually he's right, Angerer is a trainwreck in coverage. As a Colts fan I watched every game Angerer played this year and one thing that stood out most to me was that he was out of position against both the run and the pass at times. I expect he will improve in 2011.
 
You have to look at overall draft, not just the first couple of rounds. If all you looked at was the first couple of rounds, yeah, you'd think it was a bunch of misses, but then you'd miss a draft like this:

X 46 NE T Adrian Klemm (Hawaii)

X 76 NE RB J.R. Redmond (Arizona State)

X 127 NE T Greg Robinson-Randall (Michigan State)

X 141 NE TE Dave Stachelski (Boise State)

X 161 NE DT Jeff Marriott (Missouri)

X 187 NE CB Antwan Harris (Virginia)

X 199 NE QB Tom Brady (Michigan)

X 201 NE DT David Nugent (Purdue)

X 226 NE LB Casey Tisdale (New Mexico)

X 239 NE RB Patrick Pass (Georgia)

I know it's New England, but it shows a point.

How many of the guys listed here are still playing in the nfl. Now, as to whether or not Polian is losing it, I submit that his first couple of years at Carolina were pretty much busts as well, so it's not something that has just started recently.

Round # Pick # Overall Pick # Player Position College

1 5 5 Kerry Collins Quarterback Penn State

1 22 22 Tyrone Poole Cornerback Fort Valley State

1 29 29 Blake Brockermeyer Offensive Tackle Texas

2 4 36 Shawn King Defensive End NE Louisiana

4 34 132 Frank Garcia Center Washington

5 1 135 Michael Senters Wide Receiver Northwestern

5 37 171 Andrew Peterson Offensive Tackle Washington

6 17 188 Steve Strahan Defensive Tackle Baylor

6 20 191 Jerry Colquitt Quarterback Tennessee

7 1 209 Chad Cota Safety Oregon

7 41 249 Michael Reed Cornerback Boston College

[edit]1996 draft

Round # Pick # Overall Pick # Player Position College

1 8 8 Tim Biakabutuka Running Back Michigan

2 13 43 Muhsin Muhammad Wide Receiver Michigan State

3 12 73 Winslow Oliver Running Back New Mexico

3 27 88 J.C. Price Defensive Tackle Virginia Tech

4 11 106 Norberto Garrido Guard USC

4 16 111 Emmanuel McDaniel Defensive Back East Carolina

5 10 142 Marquette Smith Running Back Central Florida

6 26 193 Scott Greene Running Back Michigan State

7 8 217 Donnell Baker Wide Receiver Southern

7 25 234 Kerry Hicks Defensive Tackle Colorado

Other than Collins and Muhammad (I'll give Biakabutuka a pass due to blown out knees), none of the other guys he drafted had even decent careers.

 
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You have to look at overall draft, not just the first couple of rounds. If all you looked at was the first couple of rounds, yeah, you'd think it was a bunch of misses, but then you'd miss a draft like this:

X 199 NE QB Tom Brady (Michigan)
Tom Brady 6th round = fluke and is the exception, not the rule. History has shown that if you miss on your 1st and 2nd picks enough you're toast /story.
 
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I'm not defending all of Polian's picks here. But, wasn't Jerry Hughes drafted as a project? I'm not saying that he will or won't be good in a couple years, I just rememeber back to my fantasy leagues' draft last year and remember him getting labeled as a guy that would probably take a couple years to develop.

 
I'm not defending all of Polian's picks here. But, wasn't Jerry Hughes drafted as a project? I'm not saying that he will or won't be good in a couple years, I just rememeber back to my fantasy leagues' draft last year and remember him getting labeled as a guy that would probably take a couple years to develop.
You don't draft "projects" in the 1st round.
 
I think the attrition in the coaching staff has had a big influence on the decrease in player development. Guys show a little promise early, then don't seem to improve. Whether you blame the GM or the coaching staff or, most likely, both, the issue is that the last 5 years haven't produced many players who are good enough to be 1st-stringers in this league. Off the top of my head, I would say the past 5 years have produced

Powers, Bethea, Addai, Session, Garcon

If Collie and/or Gonzalez can get past their injury problems, they'd go on the list too. Getting one starter per year means that there are a lot of guys on the field for the Colts who would have a tough time cracking another NFL roster. The offensive line and DB's that we saw in that playoff game are made up almost entirely of players that would garner little or no interest on the free agent market.

 
"You don't draft "projects" in the 1st round."

While I see your point and tend to agree with it, that doesn't mean that they didn't do that ...

There are teams over the years that have taken a first rounder knowing he wouldn't pay immeidate dividends. Like Tim Tebow, for example.

 
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It's hard to evaluate some of these picks this early. Remember, Reggie Wayne didn't produce at a high level until four or five years after he was drafted; it took that long for Manning to be comfortable with him. Same with Dallas Clark.

I haven't closed the book on a guy like Brown. I think the o-line is a big problem.

 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
Angerer hasn't looked good to me. He's a decent tackler, but he's also a trainwreck in coverage. He's not a very good athlete either so there really isn't a ton of upside with him. He looks like a backup LB to me, and that's fine for a 5th rounder, but not a 2nd rounder. Maybe he'd be better playing the middle, but that's not happening as long as Brackett is there.
You obviously have no idea how to evaluate talent at LB.
:popcorn: Pat Angerer is going to be a very good if not great MLB for many years to come.
 
2010 doesn't look promising at all, maybe a healthy Kevin Thomas will be something, he always looked really good in college, but Hughes and Angerer looked pretty awful this year.
Huh? Angerer looked "pretty awful"? Seriously? How did Hughes look awful when he didn't play?Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
Angerer hasn't looked good to me. He's a decent tackler, but he's also a trainwreck in coverage. He's not a very good athlete either so there really isn't a ton of upside with him. He looks like a backup LB to me, and that's fine for a 5th rounder, but not a 2nd rounder. Maybe he'd be better playing the middle, but that's not happening as long as Brackett is there.
You obviously have no idea how to evaluate talent at LB.
Actually he's right, Angerer is a trainwreck in coverage. As a Colts fan I watched every game Angerer played this year and one thing that stood out most to me was that he was out of position against both the run and the pass at times. I expect he will improve in 2011.
Johnny, I have got to disagree with you. From the sampling of 5 games I saw I thought he was outstanding. Sometimes it is hard for me to take off my Black and gold glasses though.
 
Johnny, I have got to disagree with you. From the sampling of 5 games I saw I thought he was outstanding. Sometimes it is hard for me to take off my Black and gold glasses though.
Trust me, he made plenty of mistakes and I'm not wearing Black and Gold glasses :lmao: I'm just a fan that had a high interest in his play from the beginning. He does have the coolest name of any linebacker in the NFL however.
 
I think he will be a good MLB for you. I did see that he was blocked/taken out at the knees more than I saw at Iowa but he will adjust. His pass coverage was surprisingly good for us so i am sure he will be more than adequete there. He is a fiery leader almost to the point of crazy. He was known to throw a few punches when he thought teammates were not given their all in practice. Both to the offense and his own defensive teammates.

 
On best player available and other strategyApril, 21, 2011 Apr 212:31PM ETEmail Print Comments11 By Paul KuharskyMark J. Rebilas/US PresswireThe Colts did well drafting the best player in taking Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark over reaching for needs. Rarely is there a discussion of draft philosophy with an NFL decision-maker in which best-player-available isn’t a key component. Rarely is there a first round of the NFL draft in which teams stay exclusively true to that thinking. “I think everybody says that,” Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt said. “But at some point need enters into the equation, too. Earlier for some people than for others.” If you are truly a BPA drafter, you cast needs aside early on and stock your team with high-quality players. Over the course of time, you hope things balance out naturally or you allow what’s available to sort of steer what you’re built to do. But if you have three drafts in a row when a defensive lineman is identified as the best player available, can you take him all three times when you go on the clock in the first round? Are you willing to be a defensive-line heavy team? Do you have the patience and resolve to wait on addressing the quarterback and cornerback positions that are gaping holes on your depth chart? Indianapolis Colts vice chairman Bill Polian hit best-player-available home runs with receiver Reggie Wayne in 2001 (when there were defensive needs) and tight end Dallas Clark in 2003 (defense was the issue again). But he’s also seen quality and need coincide and made the right call with running back Edgerrin James in 1999, when he needed to replace Marshall Faulk, who had been traded. Polian strives to be a BPA drafter. Why do people who say they abide from that thinking stray from it? “I think you face three temptations,” Polian said. “The first is that you overvalue positions, i.e. quarterback, and so you try to create someone. Secondly, and it ties together, if you have a need you tend to overvalue players at that need position. It’s just human nature. And then third, you may try to reach, which is the same as overvaluing a player, because you’re trying to hit a home run. You say, ‘Well, if we hit on this player, boy does he have upside.’ And many times the upside doesn’t pan out. “This is where draft management comes in. You’ve got manage the process much more than you manage the board. The thought is that there is some magic that goes into managing the board on draft day. There isn’t. The real hard work is managing the process and getting the board up. Once the board is up, you should stay with it.” Whether they spell out how they operate or not, not everyone believes in an all-out best-player-available strategy. Staying true to a draft board that was set through weeks of intense discussions is important. But teams take different approaches when setting those boards. Those approaches don’t fit in tidy little boxes, of course. But as I’ve tried to classify draft strategy, I’ve locked in on three that a smart scout outlined. This is the best player in the draft, this is the second-best player in the draft, this is the third-best player in the draft all the way through every player they deem worth a draft pick. When it’s your turn, you pick the best player still there. These are guys who fit our team, guys whom we want when our picks come up. They fit our system and culture. Regardless of talent they are the guys who best suit our football team. These 110 or 101 or 96 players, as we order them, are best for our football team. We’re going to put these guys at this position, because the position is more valuable, above these guys, who are at a less valuable position. Examples: We want left tackles as opposed to strictly guards. Cornerbacks who can flex into safety or play the slot have more value than a strong safety. We want the pass-rushing outside linebacker who can play inside in a pinch over strictly a downhill inside guy. This scout said he thinks the Bears typically operate off a board ordered strictly by talent. The Packers have very specific traits they want in their players -- they want corners who are at least 6-feet tall, they might take one who’s 5-11 -- so they often follow the second style. The Patriots often lean to position value. Any of it can work. The best-player-available mindset is often spoken of in sacred tones, but it’s hard to argue against the track records of the Packers and Patriots if they don’t stick to it. “You can argue that a position need becomes so great that it might negate or overwhelm drafting just the best player at a position that doesn’t impact the game as much,” Reinfeldt said. All four talk about best player available, but how have AFC South teams worked? [+] EnlargeBrian Spurlock/US PresswireBill Polian seeks to draft the best player available."If you pass a blue[-chip] player to take a need, then you've made a mistake," Polian said.Polian’s gone against the grain with perceived needs pretty regularly. But overall he has been able to devalue some positions in the draft -- offensive line, linebacker -- where the Colts are willing to be smaller than most teams and feel they have position coaches who can help mold effective players. Reinfeldt’s top picks, Michael Griffin, Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt and Derrick Morgan, have filled need pretty effectively. He allows for a lot of input from assistant coaches and traded up for a second-round pick to get a guy in tight end Jared Cook whom the team loved. Jacksonville GM Gene Smith’s first two drafts have been top-heavy with offensive and defensive linemen, as he clearly wanted to start with foundation building. It certainly appears that he’s taken the best available players at an area the team is prioritizing and he got four quality starters in Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton, Terrance Knighton and Tyson Alualu. Gary Kubiak has the strongest voice among coaches as he works with GM Rick Smith in Houston. The Texans' draft strategy is tough to peg. The top of the last three drafts have certainly addressed needs. The most recent first-rounder, corner Kareem Jackson, struggled badly in his first season. I think BPA tends to be everyone’s dream. But as with so many dreams, things go off script when it’s time to execute in reality. Ideally, if the best player available isn’t a guy you need, you can trade back with someone who does need him, and draft in a position where BPA and need line up better. But that presumes two things -- that another team sees the value of the player in question the same way you do, and that it wants him enough to deal up to get him. If you trade down out of this scenario and do so for less than trade-chart value, I pledge that I will not write that you didn’t get enough in exchange for the pick. Reinfeldt said it’s important to be conscious of noise. External pressure in the form of media consensus or a concerted push for a player or position can sway some decision-makers, but shouldn’t. A coach or scout making a super strong case for a guy can’t be given more weight just because he’s pressing the issue. “You’ve got to be true to the scouts and your own evaluation,” Reinfeldt said, echoing a popular maxim. “Then in the long run you’re going to have success. But it can be a hard thing to do.” Said Polian: “I’ve always believed that if you pass a blue[-chip] player to take a need, then you’ve made a mistake. We’ve tried not to do that. On occasion we may have. But we work very hard to try to avoid it. It is a temptation, but you need to work hard to try to avoid it.” However you do it, it’s about your ability to judge and project. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter if you deem him best available, if you decide his position is more valuable or if you see him as an ideal fit for your operation. The questions that need to be answered are simple ones. Does he turn into a productive player for you? And is the method you used for selecting him one you can repeat with success?
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/23170/on-best-player-available-and-other-strategySomeone posted "Polian has some nerve talking about over-valuing positions. Anyone remember left tackle Tony Ugoh? He cost Polian a #1 and a #2. Where is he now? Polian has made a series of disastrous high draft picks in recent years. Why should we take his opinion seriously?" -- All I could say to that is A-MEN!!
 
Polian has misses. Who doesn't?

People would line up to get him. Sure

The fact of the matter is the Colts, with Polian, have been in 2 of the last 5 Super Bowls. Who else claims that?

With that said, I'm ready for the Colts to move Polian and their figurehead HC out and go in a new direction.

However, that will not happen until PM hangs up the cleats.

 
I actually like this year's draft, but I can't stand it that Polian doesn't get involved in free agency at all with the exception of signing undrafted FAs. Instead, he sits by and lets New England get first dibs on any free agent they want. Not saying Chad Johnson and Albert Haynesworth are any good, but in general NE does what they want in the league and every single team seems to be more than accommodating in every trade the Patriots pull off. Why is that? Maybe it's just :ptts: to me, but you could say I'm a little bitter. Lastly, what the hell were they thinking when they hired Jim Caldwell as their coach. That guy looks clueless on the sidelines. I bet Bill Belichick laughs his butt off at that guy.

 
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Kravitz: As usual, Colts lose in free agency but will win when it counts http://www.indystar.com/article/20110730/SPORTS15/107300337/Kravitz-Colts-lose-free-agency-will-win-when-counts?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

Once again, the Indianapolis Wallflowers are losing the offseason. There's this huge free agent party raging around them -- Adam Schefter has gotten more airtime recently than John Boehner -- and the Wallflowers are kicking back and watching, as per usual.

That's fine by me. And really, it ought to be fine by most sober-minded Colts fans.

Every March (in a normal year), the league's other 31 teams go nuts, throwing money -- sometimes stupid money -- at free agents, generating all the big headlines while appeasing their fan base. The Washington Redskins routinely toss cash at undeserving free agents, get their fans all hot and bothered, then go 6-10 every season.

The Colts?

They re-sign most of their own guys. Maybe they add a spare part here and there when the bargains become available later in free agency, but for the most part, they are the Indy Wallflowers. While Bill Polian did the free agent thing early in his tenure as Colts president when the team needed to add bodies -- Chad Bratzke, Chad Cota, some other guys named Chad -- he has generally been a spectator during free agent season.

Big names? Adam Vinatieri, who worked out great. Corey Simon, who didn't. There have been some midlevel guys, notably Montae Reagor and Brandon Stokley, but by and large, the Colts don't play that game.

And it has worked. Or did I miss something?

They won 12 or more games a record seven consecutive years, and maybe most remarkably, won 10 games last year with half their starters in civilian clothes.

Yeah, it's boring, and it doesn't make for sexy headlines, but you can't argue with the philosophy. Chris Polian, who is in charge now, would be a clod to try to reinvent the wheel here. And it's not like he has much room to play around: The Colts are up against the salary cap, whether fans like the choices they've made or not. And with Peyton Manning's contract number still up in the air, there's not a lot of certainty. Whatever the quarterback gets -- $20 million, $25 million or the gross national product of Mongolia -- there won't be much wiggle room for a franchise that's already paying several other stars big dollars.

On paper, yes, a lot of the Colts' biggest opponents have gotten better. The Patriots made a low-risk, high-reward acquisition in defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. The Texans added Johnathan Joseph to their putrid secondary.

I also think the Colts have gotten better.

They will have Dallas Clark. And Anthony Gonzalez. And Melvin Bullitt. And Austin Collie. And Jerraud Powers. And Kelvin Hayden. All those players missed significant time, and this group still won 10 games.

Would I feel better if Joseph Addai came back? Absolutely.

Would I like to see the return of Ryan Diem, likely at a diminished contract number? Absolutely.

Would I be thrilled if they turned to bargain free agency later and added a kick returner and got some depth at defensive tackle and in the secondary? Absolutely.

Are you getting tired of all these parenthetical questions? Absolutely.

But this is far from a finished product, and Chris Polian is far from massaging this roster. I don't expect any headline-makers these next few weeks, but I don't expect them to sit around and play solitaire the whole time, either.

"One of the things we do is try to look at our own guys who we value," coach Jim Caldwell said Friday.

"The culture here is to build the team through the draft. That's always been the case and will always be the case. There are teams who live in the free agent market; we're not one of those. And we've put together some pretty competitive teams."

I hear the argument and understand it: The window of opportunity is closing. The marquee players are getting up there in age, and there's ample concern about the health of Manning.

But it's too early to panic or drop-kick a tried-and-true philosophy. Every year, we head into camp concerned about this, concerned about that, and then somebody who played sparingly the year before, or some no-name rookie free agent out of Where's That State, emerges and becomes a major contributor.

Maybe if we're sitting here two, three years from now, with the end in sight of the Manning era, you clear the cap space to add a big-time free agent who fills an area of need. But not yet.

As team owner Jim Irsay tweeted recently. "We didn't make a NFL record 9 straight playoff births with bad cap management n dumb signings of other people's problems,we like 2 pay r own".

The Wallflowers will once again lose during free agency season. And you know they're going to lose in preseason, a time when they routinely go winless or win a single game and give rise to the usual level of panic.

Then they'll win 10 to 12 games and have a chance to reach and even win a Super Bowl.
 

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