Hawk = BOD (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

Having seen Hawk (and Paulsykiau(sp)) play, Im a fan of neither

 

[Mister CIA]

It's a proven fact that players with bird names never amount to anything.

and Touchdown Vultures too. ... I'm just trying to fuel the hate.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Having seen Hawk (and Paulsykiau(sp)) play, Im a fan of neither

Posluszny. And he's not a fan of you either.

 

[madoka]

You're no idiot LHUCKS, please give some reasoning for your assessment.

103 posts later and he still doesn't understand. If it quacks like a duck. . .1. Unconventional statement with no support

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2. Bring in the race card

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3. Ignore everyone's requests for reasoning and accuse them of picking on him

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4. Threaten to leave and yet come right back for more

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Now we just have to wait for the term Nazi to be flung around and this thread will be complete.

Why do they let guys like him piss in the pool? A temp ban is in order me thinks.

 

[WhoDat]

BRIAN BOSWORTH COMMANDS YOUR RESPECT

Academic All American and had an injury misdiagnosed by both OU and Seahawks medical staff. Katzenmoyer dumber than bag of dirt and saved by advances in sports sciences. Even as an OU apologist I will admit Bosworth's career was disappointing but, please, do not compare him to Katzenmoyer.

 

[JAA]

Having seen Hawk (and Paulsykiau(sp)) play, Im a fan of neither

Posluszny. And he's not a fan of you either.

 

[jetsman]

LHucks is usually an agent provacateu rso I understand what he's doing and usully he makes valid points so I give him the nenefit of the doubt here. The thing is he's pulled no punches here and left no room gor doubt....give the Man credit for his convictions, he's said the establishment is wrong and stated unequivocally that Hawk will be a bust. how many of us is willing to say that any player specifically will be a hall of famer, right now before the draft.

Give the man his due. if he's wrong he'll hear about it.... he'll never stop hearing about it. but give him his props for having the courage to say what he believes and stand up and br heard.

 

[Kleck]

If anyone wants to PM me letting me know they wish to share some legitimate criticisms feel free to do so. I won't mind opening this thread back up.

 

[Chase Stuart]

LHucks is usually an agent provacateu rso I understand what he's doing and usully he makes valid points so I give him the nenefit of the doubt here. The thing is he's pulled no punches here and left no room gor doubt....give the Man credit for his convictions, he's said the establishment is wrong and stated unequivocally that Hawk will be a bust. how many of us is willing to say that any player specifically will be a hall of famer, right now before the draft.

Give the man his due. if he's wrong he'll hear about it.... he'll never stop hearing about it. but give him his props for having the courage to say what he believes and stand up and br heard.

How is fishing courageous?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

is it worth revisiting this prediction from LHUCKS?

Hawk is currently leading the Packers in tackles with 76 solos and 32 assists while also contributing 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, and 5 PD. If it weren't for the incredible year that DeMeco Ryans is having in houston, Hawk would be a very legitimate DROY.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

is it worth revisiting this prediction from LHUCKS?Hawk is currently leading the Packers in tackles with 76 solos and 32 assists while also contributing 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, and 5 PD. If it weren't for the incredible year that DeMeco Ryans is having in houston, Hawk would be a very legitimate DROY.

Hawk is still behind Ernie Sims in the voting. While Hawk is not a "bust" he has yet to be the playmaker they expected....he is lucky he has Barnett line up with him.Ryans and Sims have no one else on the LB corps.

 

[The Jacket]

Another LHUCKS gem.



Pac-10 linebackers > AJ Hawk.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

is it worth revisiting this prediction from LHUCKS?Hawk is currently leading the Packers in tackles with 76 solos and 32 assists while also contributing 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, and 5 PD. If it weren't for the incredible year that DeMeco Ryans is having in houston, Hawk would be a very legitimate DROY.

Hawk is still behind Ernie Sims in the voting. While Hawk is not a "bust" he has yet to be the playmaker they expected....he is lucky he has Barnett line up with him.Ryans and Sims have no one else on the LB corps.

How exactly has he disappointed? Hawk leads the team in tackles. He has 3.5 sacks and has created two turnovers. Early on he looked a bit out of sorts, but lately he's playing like the real deal. Is he Lawrence Taylor? No, but nobody expected him to be, that's just not his game.BTW - Barnett is completely overrated. He's a glory hound who always wants to make the big play. Because of this, he frequently finds himself out of position. It seems like he's regressed the past 2 years.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

is it worth revisiting this prediction from LHUCKS?Hawk is currently leading the Packers in tackles with 76 solos and 32 assists while also contributing 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 FF, and 5 PD. If it weren't for the incredible year that DeMeco Ryans is having in houston, Hawk would be a very legitimate DROY.

Yeah, but what is Hawk's completion percentage and passer rating?

 

[LHUCKS]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.

I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.

Good try Rudnicki.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

your opinion is rarely humblebtw, he ranks 9th in total tackles. Ernie Sims ranks 7th, and Ryans ranks 1st. all 3 are having excellent rookie campaigns.how many sacks would you expect from a 4-3 WLB before you consider him to be a "playmaker"? how many INTs/takeaways?from what I can tell, the only pure 4-3 WLB with more sacks than him this year is Bart Scott.every other LB with more sacks seems to either play OLB in a 3-4, plays SLB, or sees significant snaps lined up as a DE in passing situations.

 

[JBTV]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

meeting get canceled?

 

[Slingblade]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

Wow, this guy, no matter how off, still believes he is totally right.I guess he just doesn't have the balls to say he was wrong, about anything.

 

[Capella]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

your opinion is rarely humble

or accurate

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If KGB could tackle, Hawk wouldn't have to.

So I take those stats with a grain of salt.

If Hawk played on a team with a better d-line, his stats would be mediocre at best. And don't forget that it's the defensive coordinator that calls the plays, not Hawk.

 

[LHUCKS]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

Wow, this guy, no matter how off, still believes he is totally right.I guess he just doesn't have the balls to say he was wrong, about anything.

You add absolutely nothing to these threads...please leave...thanks.

 

[Slingblade]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

Wow, this guy, no matter how off, still believes he is totally right.I guess he just doesn't have the balls to say he was wrong, about anything.

You add absolutely nothing to these threads...please leave...thanks.

And that's still more than you add.Also...shouldn't you be in a meeting?

 

[-OZ-]

Hawk hasn't made plays, he just does what he is supposed to do...which is exactly what I said was going to happen.I pretty much nailed this one IMHO.Good try Rudnicki.

Wow, this guy, no matter how off, still believes he is totally right.I guess he just doesn't have the balls to say he was wrong, about anything.

You add absolutely nothing to these threads...please leave...thanks.

And that's still more than you add.Also...shouldn't you be in a meeting?

LHucks adds plenty for us to laugh at. I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

 

[LHUCKS]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

So defensive players are judged on effectiveness not stats, while offensive players are judged on stats not effectiveness?

 

[-OZ-]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Interesting that you can pick this up in his rookie year. Even more interesting that you don't consider a sure-tackler to have a big impact.

 

[packersfan]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

He's already made a high impact with the Packers. I haven't been enamored with a lot of the moves Ted Thompson has made as Green Bay's GM, but he made the right call with Hawk. No question about that in my mind. He's a terrific player.

 

[LHUCKS]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

So defensive players are judged on effectiveness not stats, while offensive players are judged on stats not effectiveness?

Judging all situations with a static methodology isn't how I go about evaluating players.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'd agree that Hawk is very overrated and will likely not play to the level a first round pick should play to.

He is very stiff in the way he moves and that'll really catch up with him at the pro level, especially for an outside backer.  However, I really like his teammate, Bobby Carpenter, as I see him as being the opposite of AJ. I see Carpenter being the better pro than Hawk.

Are there any other non Big10 homer, non-Great White Hype sheep in the house?

Bobby Carpenter can't even get on the field in Dallas.Hawk plays in every single down and distance situation for the Packers.

Chad Greenway was also potentially headed for bust-ville before he got injured.

BTW, both of those LBs are also white, also came from the Big 10, and also went in the 1st round. If all the hype on Hawk was based on his race, why didn't those guys get a similar amount of hype?

Do you ever hype a player that didn't play in the Pac 10? do you ever rip on a player who came from the Pac 10?

speaking of sheep...

 

[LHUCKS]

Interesting that you can pick this up in his rookie year. Even more interesting that you don't consider a sure-tackler to have a big impact.

A sure tackler is valuable, just not the type of guy I take with a top 10 pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

So defensive players are judged on effectiveness not stats, while offensive players are judged on stats not effectiveness?

Judging all situations with a static methodology isn't how I go about evaluating players.

So your criteria for evaluation is dependent on what you want the results of that evaluation to be?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Chad Greenway was also potentially headed for bust-ville before he got injured.

Not sure how you can say that since he got hurt in the first pre-season game. Unless you're admitting it's pure conjecture/opinion.

 

[LHUCKS]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

So defensive players are judged on effectiveness not stats, while offensive players are judged on stats not effectiveness?

Judging all situations with a static methodology isn't how I go about evaluating players.

So your criteria for evaluation is dependent on what you want the results of that evaluation to be?

No. Why would I want Hawk to be bad? I have no allegiances in the NFL and Hawk is a great role model.My criteria changes and is dependent on what each player's situation is.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I can't start a Hawk is overrated thread now??

please list even a single reason why you think that.also, why do you think Katzenmoyer is a better comparison for Hawk than someone like Chris Spielman?

See above post.Additonally, I think Katz is a good comparison because I think he was hyped for many of the same reasons Hawk is getting hyped...Hawk is the great white hype from "The Ohio State University"(which hasn't done **** in quite some time now)

I'm not buying the hype. I'm basing my decision on what I've seen from Hawk against non-Big 10 teams, in other words teams like Texas that actually have an elment of NFL caliber speed.

The Big10 doesn't have that element of NFL speed that the SEC/Pac10/Big12 do.

might be the most unintentionally humorous post in this thread

 

[-OZ-]

Interesting that you can pick this up in his rookie year. Even more interesting that you don't consider a sure-tackler to have a big impact.

A sure tackler is valuable, just not the type of guy I take with a top 10 pick.

As a NFL fan who has spent the last 6 years in Kansas, following the Chiefs, I would.

Are there any other non Big10 homer, non-Great White Hype sheep in the house?

FWIW, while I'm a Michigan fan, I hate Ohio State. Doesn't prevent me from respecting a player.

 

[LHUCKS]

Do you ever hype a player that didn't play in the Pac 10? do you ever rip on a player who came from the Pac 10?

I'm pretty sure I informed this board of Frank Gore's potential last year...and I hate Miami. I told everybody who would listen that Maroney was a player and I think the Big10 sucks.The answer is obviously yes.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Chad Greenway was also potentially headed for bust-ville before he got injured.

Not sure how you can say that since he got hurt in the first pre-season game. Unless you're admitting it's pure conjecture/opinion.

early reports were that EJ Henderson was going to beat him out for the starting WLB job. not saying Greenway would have definitely been a bust forever, but I think he would have done much less his rookie season than Hawk, Sims, and Ryans who were starting from day 1 on their respective teams.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

If you are waiting for lhucks to admit he is wrong you'll be waiting for a longtime. He airballed his Rivers prediction badly, and his only comeback in that thread was "wait till the playoffs".

 

[LHUCKS]

See above post.Additonally, I think Katz is a good comparison because I think he was hyped for many of the same reasons Hawk is getting hyped...Hawk is the great white hype from "The Ohio State University"(which hasn't done **** in quite some time now)I'm not buying the hype. I'm basing my decision on what I've seen from Hawk against non-Big 10 teams, in other words teams like Texas that actually have an elment of NFL caliber speed.The Big10 doesn't have that element of NFL speed that the SEC/Pac10/Big12 do.

might be the most unintentionally humorous post in this thread

Speking of unintentional humor...are you claiming the Big10 is a speed conference now?

 

[packersfan]

How good Hawk is or can be is certainly open to interpretation.

What isn't is the fact he clearly isn't the bust of the draft. No one who has seen him play could even attempt to try and pass that belief off with any sense of confidence.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Chad Greenway was also potentially headed for bust-ville before he got injured.

Not sure how you can say that since he got hurt in the first pre-season game. Unless you're admitting it's pure conjecture/opinion.

early reports were that EJ Henderson was going to beat him out for the starting WLB job. not saying Greenway would have definitely been a bust forever, but I think he would have done much less his rookie season than Hawk, Sims, and Ryans who were starting from day 1 on their respective teams.

I think in the end that Greenway would have beaten out EJ. But we'll never know.

 

[-OZ-]

Do you ever hype a player that didn't play in the Pac 10? do you ever rip on a player who came from the Pac 10?

I'm pretty sure I informed this board of Frank Gore's potential last year...and I hate Miami. I told everybody who would listen that Maroney was a player and I think the Big10 sucks.

The answer is obviously yes.

you mean this thread?

For those of you who aren't fortunate to see all of the games, here's who I see as solid buy low candidates.

1. Titans Passing Game - McNair, Bennett, Calico, Troupe, Kinney

Let's not forget how good Pittsburgh's defense is at home. The Titans will have better passing weeks nearly every other week this season.

2. Lamont Jordan

At New England hasn't been a cakewalk traditionally for fantasy runningbacks and Lamont looks primed for a breakout season after his showing on Thursday. Don't be surprised if he finishes among the top 10 RBs this year.

3. Isaac Bruce

Don't give up the farm because Curtis' and McDonald's targets do concern me, but Bruce isn't going to fall off the face of the earth after putting up 1290 last year.

4. Mewelde Moore

The more I see of Bennett, the less I'm impressed.

5. Hines Ward

Pittsburgh will have to pass more than it did against Tennessee. Snag him if the value is there.

6. Mike Anderson

He's the best RB in Denver and torn rib cartilage is a minor injury.

7. Andre Johnson

Week 1 will be his worst week of the entire year.

8. Jermaine Wiggins

Was targeted a lot and had two TDs called back...if you need a TE and he's cheap, Wiggins wont disappoint.

9. Ahman Green

He'll be relied upon even more in '05 with Walker out and he's been hated on a fair amount in the preseason. If you can get him from a discouraged owner pull the trigger.

10. Frank Gore

Looked solid in limited action and Barlow was far from impressive. Could be huge for your second half.

At least he made your list, pretty sure you weren't the first to "inform this board" of his talent. I even traded for him a year ago (then traded him away, but this isn't about me )

 

[LHUCKS]

At least he made your list, pretty sure you weren't the first to "inform this board" of his talent. I even traded for him a year ago (then traded him away, but this isn't about me )

Never said I was the first...just very outspoken regarding his potential.

 

[LHUCKS]

Honestly, I'd say he might be least likely to bust out of the supposed top10 picks outside of D'Brick.

I'd give that honor to Leinart and Bush...about as can't miss as they come.

 

[-OZ-]

At least he made your list, pretty sure you weren't the first to "inform this board" of his talent. I even traded for him a year ago (then traded him away, but this isn't about me )

Never said I was the first...just very outspoken regarding his potential.

When I read "I'm pretty sure I informed this board of Frank Gore's potential last year..." I take that as you acually INFORMING us of something we hadn't already heard.

 

[LHUCKS]

Tell me this.  If Hawk was a black LB from Marshall would be he be getting picked in the top 5?

I might need to make this a poll.

Hawk didn't go to a small school like Marshall he went to OHIO ST. He played against top level talent and no one could keep him away from the football. He has elite measurables and I don't think stop watches care if your black or white.

This just in...the Big 10 sucks.

I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.

For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.

Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.

Bump to clarify my position all the way back in April...which was spot on.

 

[JBTV]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Actually, you said he'd be the "bust of the draft" and compared him to a guy who had 78 tackles for his NFL career. But nice work trying to change what you said you thought he'd be instead of saying you're wrong that he's not the "bust of the draft"

 

[LHUCKS]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Actually, you said he'd be the "bust of the draft" and compared him to a guy who had 78 tackles for his NFL career. But nice work trying to change what you said you thought he'd be instead of saying you're wrong that he's not the "bust of the draft"

Actually, if you look at what I wrote in the posts it's clear my stance hasn't changed. The "BOD" subtitle was obviously posturing.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Speking of unintentional humor...are you claiming the Big10 is a speed conference now?

defensive talent in the Big 10 is light years better than the Pac 10...yes. And Ohio State has never had a problem recruiting speed (Ted Ginn, Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs, etc.). We know Hawk is fast...unless you haven't seen his 40 times?if Hawk's numbers were inflated due to playing against "slow" players in the Big 10, how come he is doing the same thing in the NFL that he was doing in college?haven't you also criticized the Big 12 as being the "Slow 12"? Well, how come Vince Young is beating NFL defenses just like he did in college?If the Pac-10 defenders are so great and fast, how come there are no impact defensive rookies from that conference this year? Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Honestly, I'd say he might be least likely to bust out of the supposed top10 picks outside of D'Brick.

I'd give that honor to Leinart and Bush...about as can't miss as they come.

apart from Bush, Hawk is the safest pick in this draft.

yes you were. repeatedly.btw, nice try clipping part of my quote off.