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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (7 Viewers)
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Assume it wont happen in the book given that Ser Allister already brought a reanimated wight hand to kings landing in the first book and it decomposed into nothing while waiting around. Show really puts on display the lack of source material.
Sabertooth
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Even if it does, hopefully it happens more organically - ie they are already there, have a battle, and grab some proof - not have a mission specifically for that.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For sure. We will get a scene where Sam realizes what she said and blubbers b/c he thinks they have to double back for that book and we find out that he's not the only one that knows exactly which books to steal and she brought that one along with them.Yeah, the capturing a wight idea is lame as hell.
The Rhaegar thing, though, they'll get back to it. This was just setup.
Yeah - I assumed this could have taken place during a "skirmish" at Eastwatch-By-The-Sea
Right - but for now, the only meaning to Sam would be that Robert's Rebellion was all for nothing. Which is interesting, but not really relevant to anything going on today. Sam does not know anything about Jon's parents. There needs to be a meeting between Sam and Bran to sort out the details.
Foosball God
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Sir Loras the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Jamie — who had nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor, who had nearly stood up to the Vicious Chicken of Bristol, and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Hard to really fault this - gives a little something to the audience.
Only other rational way to introduce it is for Bran to say something to Sam about Jon not being Ned's ******* - and Bran says "Jon is not Ned's *******, he is Lyana's *******." And then Sam (or GIlly) says: "Wait, I remember seeing that Lyana was married to Rhegar - its right here in this book I stole"
Meanwhile, Sansa overhears the conversation, and says: "Hmmm, so Jon is a Targaryen? Can't have a Targaryen as King of the North. I declare myself Queen of the North!"
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I hadn't even thought of that and how it would completely change the dynamic in the north and who is willing to follow Jon. They are already setting up the discontent in the north due to Jon going south on the show.
Its going to be fun seeing it play out. I do think Sansa is in her element. She is being played by Littlefinger right now, but I kind of see her destiny as Lady of Winterfell - and she holds the pack together somehow. So, she is going to have to figure out Littlefinger and how to deal with the Northern Lords soon.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
For sure and I am still sticking to my theory that there is a bit of darkness/Cersei lurking in Sansa that is waiting to come out. Even if they team up on LF, I could see Jon being the wedge that is pushed between Arya and Sansa as they disagree on how to act and who to follow.
Bob Sacamano
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Did you not get that she was the annoying wife sitting there asking if you want to work on the yard this Saturday while he was trying to meet a work deadline? I don't even think Sam really heard her by that point. It's going to take Gilly remembering it imo.Sinn Fein said:
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Bob Sacamano
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You can travel anywhere in the world right now. Have you been everywhere in the world?
Just because he can see it doesn't mean he has seen it.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I agree - but my point was for the people thinking Sam should have sat up when he heard that - even if he was paying attention, which he was not, it would not have meant much of anything to him - certainly not enough to think "OMG Jon Snow is a Targaryen - I better warn him before he ####s Daenerys!!"
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The Gator
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Didn't say he had. But in Sinn's scenario he has seen that night with Rhegar/Lyanna. Safe to assume he had seen everything that night imo
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I think you wait until "after" on that warning anyway. First because she's hot. And second because "Haha, you ####ed your aunt" has to be a fun one to bust out on a buddy when you're in your cups.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Whenever it was, you'd think that would be something Bran would make an effort to follow up on.
To be fair, there is an army of the dead approaching (btw - thats a lot of wildlings...), and what anti-social teenage boy wouldn't spy on his sisters if he could. Jon's parents are probably not high on the list of important #### to know right now.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Gr00vus
Footballguy
How much time per day does he really need to spend checking in on the glacially moving army of the dead? It's not like he's training for the Boston Marathon in his free time or something either.
He's just doing weirwoodnet pr0n all the time, isn't he?
Hot Diggity Dog
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So it should of been Robert and Oberyn's rebellion! I don't think Oberyn sits still for an annulment , especially after kids.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
True. I guess I'd figured the show would make it somewhat anticlimactic, but I'm getting the sense the books will go down significantly differently from how they're streamlining everything in the show now. Makes me a little more interested in him getting them done than I was when I thought the show would give us a reasonable facsimile of what he intended for the story.
Rick James
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D&D signed up to adapt ASOIAF to television, not to finish writing the damn thing. Any gripes should be directed Martin's way, not theirs.
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KarmaPolice
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Did he say they would be finished in X amount of time for them, or did they just choose to ignore the 7 years in between books writing pace?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Martin did say that he never thought the show would catch up with him. As someone who waited years for AFFC and assumed he needed to write 3 more books, I have no idea how Martin could've believed this to be true.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Abrantes
Footballguy
Weird #### and all, this might be the show's best season to date. Definitely the best pacing at least.Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Maybe if they didn't skip most of crows and dragons and didnt totally #### up dorne. There is plenty of material for 10 great seasons. They chose to do something else.
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Bran is limited by what can be seen through a weirwood, no? Visions limited like the children's were?
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If the walkers are marching on east watch already, how are they going to kidnap a wight out in the wilderness, get back on the right side of the wall, then down to kings landing, convince cercei, and then go all the way back to the wall before the walkers overtake east watch?!?
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KarmaPolice
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KarmaPolice
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I agree with LJ and was going to post something similar. Maybe they still would have passed Martin, but they did also choose to cram 2 books of stuff in about a season of the show after stretching book 3 into two seasons. IMO there was enough material for a couple more seasons of source material, but D&D didn't go that route.
Scoresman
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The white walkers have been marching south for something like 5 seasons now at least. They're definitely the slow, night of the Living Dead type of zombies as opposed to the fast 28 Days Later type of zombies.
KarmaPolice
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My guess is the walkers get past the wall soon, and the big battle is around Winterfell next season.
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Scoresman
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I swear if they go from the Wall/Eastmarch all the way down to somewhere like Kings landing in the span of one off season, after season upon season of marching to nowhere, I'll make a REALLY angry, nerdy post about timespans.
Capella
Footballguy
I agree with everybody who wants less of this super awesome stuff, and more of people slowly marching in place, floating on a boat, or being pulled through the woods on a horse carriage, because that makes the show about dragons and zombies more realistic.
I mean, how can birds even fly that fast? It would take them like a week to fly over the wall and find the zombies, they need to stop to eat and sleep and that whole scene last like 45 seconds. Stupid.
I mean, how can birds even fly that fast? It would take them like a week to fly over the wall and find the zombies, they need to stop to eat and sleep and that whole scene last like 45 seconds. Stupid.
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shuke
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Hot Diggity Dog
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How long would they keep it secret? If Robert was defeated Lyanna would forever be the hidden wife of Rhaegar? Seems unlikely.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
They haven't had the ability to breach the wall, something has changed in that respect. They haven't been marching continuously south for five seasons.
Rick James
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
They already are.Rick James said:
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'm thinking the contrived sortie north to play zombie round up is just an excuse to establish who Azor Ahai is. They've been heavy handed enough with the "I don't know what it is, but I have some purpose" thing with Dondarrion, so he'll be involved as a sacrifice somehow, Thoros can do the resurrection/transference thing to help rebirth someone as Azor-Ahai. I figure it'll be Jon, but other semi-likely candidates are there as well (Sandor, Gendry, maybe Jorah). I thought Jamie might have been a candidate too, but he's not around.
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